Work From Home or The "Laptop Class" is Immoral or Not?

[alani123]

I feel like the ultra-rich class wants people to not work from home because work from home devalues their grip on power. Their properties in skyscrapers become worthless, their office spaces go bankrupt, their apartments have vacancies, their expensive urban utility companies become useless... People can go back to the village and deliver the same work so long as there's an internet connection, be it 4g or ADSL.

I HATE this propaganda against working from home. Like yes, at least give the people the option to go to the office. If they want to, great. If I had offices near my house that I own I'd go to. But I'm thinking of never renting again now that I can work from home more easily.

[Jatiluhung]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

Actually this will depend on what type of job a person enters. If it is a fairly relaxed job involving the digital world that can be done without the need for an office then working from home is enough. But if it is a regular job that requires teamwork then working in an office is the best. Because we can directly communicate with colleagues freely. But currently, quite a lot of ordinary office work is also done from home, which is called remote working. But once again, not all types of work can be done this way. So I don't agree if this concerns morals. Because whether you are moral or not must also be judged by the type of work you do. If it is a teaching and learning class then indeed work like that is not good if it is done only from home by relying on a laptop and video calls / Zoom meetings or something like that. Because it will still be more effective if students and teachers meet directly. But there are other types of work that are easier to do and more comfortable to do at home. So again it becomes moral or not just based on the type of work done.

[Jegileman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1h0ejcJrXc

I just watched a video talking about Laptop Class where Elon sees working from home as moral issue. Curious to know what your take on this kind of view because there are actually people who also agree with him.  And some don't of course. It could be different in the Bitcoin community, just a Yes or No poll to answer, and sure thing it will be good to share your opinion on why you chose Yes or say No.

In recent years, I see working from home as the best type of work one should involve he/herself in. It gives more flexibility and comforting time than appearing to work day by day and under the strict supervision of a Boss. I will rather work from home, do my work at when due and deliver the task as soon as possible and not bother of watching the time to see when to go home and how to plan my schedule after spending most of the time of the day at work. When you’re an introvert and secures a good paying job working from home, you won’t feel the need to join a physical work were you’re required to show up everyday even when you’re tired and hectic. Most importantly, working from home gives you the free leisure time to have with your family not like the physical you need to be their most of the time and get little or no time to spare with your family.

[X-ray]

I feel like the ultra-rich class wants people to not work from home because work from home devalues their grip on power. Their properties in skyscrapers become worthless, their office spaces go bankrupt, their apartments have vacancies, their expensive urban utility companies become useless... People can go back to the village and deliver the same work so long as there's an internet connection, be it 4g or ADSL.

I HATE this propaganda against working from home. Like yes, at least give the people the option to go to the office. If they want to, great. If I had offices near my house that I own I'd go to. But I'm thinking of never renting again now that I can work from home more easily.

working from home as far as I know, is more efficient definitely better than just working from office where no real value is added, working from office occasionally is okay but doing it a whole week just doesn't really seem the greatest idea when all things could be done remotely.
even from this forbes article https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statistics/ 35% of worker feels more productive working remotely because there's less time wasted for commuting, less distraction and all.
the thing that really making me feel better suited working remotely is often time the poltiics that happens within the office, sometime you know the politic within the office in my opinion just often time greatly distracted from doing something that actually contributes to the company.
with working remote, you got your assignment, you gonna finish the task within certain period of time then you can focus on it but not with working in the office  there's just too many things to take care about and I'm not even mentioning about the culture of overworking just to looks good in other eyes.

so far I think those ultra rich people just feeling like if their employees aren't working like in front of them, then they ain't working which is strange since all the tasks couldn't be automatically done by itself.
but well they are the employer anyway, they definitely can have preference toward what kind of working culture they prefer, since they are the one that gives salary to them payrolls.
but I just hope that some higher ups actually can understand that sometime some work better be done remotely for the sake of less distractions.
but of course there's certain job that can't be done remotely, as many have stated.

[Reatim]

When you’re an introvert and secures a good paying job working from home, you won’t feel the need to join a physical work were you’re required to show up everyday even when you’re tired and hectic. Most importantly, working from home gives you the free leisure time to have with your family not like the physical you need to be their most of the time and get little or no time to spare with your family.

Introverts indeed enjoy this kind of set up the best. There’s nothing wrong with that in my opinion and it’s only a matter of accessibility and preference.

Some people do not like engaging with others, let’s be honest co-workers sometimes are not your favorite people. They can be overbearing sometimes. Too dependent, too chatty, too nosy, too this and that. When you are working from home, you do not need to be exhausted and drained from chatting up  to different people.

[Lucius]

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What is important is for the worker to be productive or perform his task effectively and efficiently. I don't take Elon Must seriously because he is a typical example of a modern-day slave Master.

It is interesting that you wrote the surname Must, which is probably a mistake - but it makes sense considering the type of person it is. People simply must to do what the big boss tells them, because he is the one around whom the world revolves - at least he thinks so. This is why he thinks that people should only be in offices, because that way they are available for him to bully them when it comes to his mind.

People who only need a computer for their work can be equally or even more efficient if they work in the environment of their home, and I don't see any boss who would have anything against such a way of doing business. Such a way of doing business can even bring savings, because the owner will save on electricity, water, internet - and also will not pay travel expenses, which again has the result of saving the time the worker spends on the way to work and back, and ultimately less air pollution and traffic congestion.

[Ultegra134]

There's no moral issue; I don't get what Elon Musk is about, and why does he voice an opinion? Is he the one driving the trucks or the technician who can't work from home, or is he known for the pleasant workplace he's offering? There's nothing wrong with working from home; it saves time and reduces traffic, pollution, and fuel. Not all occupations can be conducted remotely, and that's perfectly logical. Why is he even comparing uneven things in the first place? Some office jobs can be performed perfectly from home, of course, and a plumber or an electrician cannot. Why is that even a concern in the first place? There's no moral issue; it's all a matter of choice.

[N.O]

There's no moral issue; I don't get what Elon Musk is about, and why does he voice an opinion? Is he the one driving the trucks or the technician who can't work from home, or is he known for the pleasant workplace he's offering? There's nothing wrong with working from home; it saves time and reduces traffic, pollution, and fuel. Not all occupations can be conducted remotely, and that's perfectly logical. Why is he even comparing uneven things in the first place? Some office jobs can be performed perfectly from home, of course, and a plumber or an electrician cannot. Why is that even a concern in the first place? There's no moral issue; it's all a matter of choice.

According to my opinion, work from home is best option to earn money because it saves time and men am women can work without any hurdle.  Now ,there are many opportunities in the market through which we can earn money. That opportunities are different from physical job because physical job is very tough and your time wastes in the physical job. But on the other side , online work increases the patient of diabetes and heart attack and everyone is influenced by heart attack.I think,work from home is moral and you should not follow any person blindly and you should work on your skills. Everyone can't do the online work because online work require good intelligence and good mindset and good focus.Not everyone has these qualities.

[Ultegra134]

According to my opinion, work from home is best option to earn money because it saves time and men am women can work without any hurdle.  Now ,there are many opportunities in the market through which we can earn money. That opportunities are different from physical job because physical job is very tough and your time wastes in the physical job. But on the other side , online work increases the patient of diabetes and heart attack and everyone is influenced by heart attack.I think,work from home is moral and you should not follow any person blindly and you should work on your skills. Everyone can't do the online work because online work require good intelligence and good mindset and good focus.Not everyone has these qualities.

Online work increases the risk of developing diabetes and heart disease. Where did you get that from? Any kind of job that makes you sit at a desk for 8 hours while you're not having any physical exercise yourself is going to deteriorate your physical state; it doesn't necessarily have to be remotely. I think you're confusing physical work, one that requires strength, such as construction, with on-site work, the one you attend to at your workplace physically. It also doesn't necessarily mean that remote working is more profitable; there are plenty of fields out there, and the salary varies depending on the circumstances.

[FanEagle]

I have been at bitcointalk for longer than I can remember, even on early days when I didn't had an account, I just checked here because in SEO sense, when you had a question about bitcoin, you googled it and bitcointalk would come up since it was one of the only places that talked about bitcoin.

And I think I do not remember any poll that is this one sided, I have seen some clear wins, like 70 or 80 percent for one side, but at the end of the day a 96 percent one is something I have not seen, or at least do not remember any at all. I believe that we are going to end up with something different, it is not going to be all that easy, and we should probably look for a situation that would be in favour of laptop class if the decision is this clear.

[South Park]

There's no moral issue; I don't get what Elon Musk is about, and why does he voice an opinion? Is he the one driving the trucks or the technician who can't work from home, or is he known for the pleasant workplace he's offering? There's nothing wrong with working from home; it saves time and reduces traffic, pollution, and fuel. Not all occupations can be conducted remotely, and that's perfectly logical. Why is he even comparing uneven things in the first place? Some office jobs can be performed perfectly from home, of course, and a plumber or an electrician cannot. Why is that even a concern in the first place? There's no moral issue; it's all a matter of choice.

Governments and rich people are trying to convince people to go back to the office, but if we are honest about it, they do not really have a good argument in favor of this, so at least to me this is about the economy, if people do not go back to the office, then a great deal of the office space available becomes useless and a real estate crash becomes a more likely possibility, so in order to prevent this from happening, governments want for things to go back to the way they were, but this is going to be difficult to implement because people have experimented how efficient it is to work from home and they do not wish for this to change.

[Bitstar_coin]

In my organisation the management introduces the work from hone option to reduce the cost of transportation on mostly the lower level employees.
I don't see it as immoral act provided no employee is taken advantage of the event. Rather it has really helped to a certain degree with its aim.
Aa long as an employee did not misuse such opportunity it is fine to work anywhere and not necessarily be at the work station.

[Stablexcoin]

But on the other side , online work increases the patient of diabetes and heart attack and everyone is influenced by heart attack.

I was actually impressed with what you have been saying not until you mentioned this.

Online work is much safer because it decreases the intake of toxic carbons that come from fuel and it also reduces sun burns other climate or scientific effects. Physical jobs are riskier in terms of health. Ask those who work in the oil sector they are open to hazards, dangerous flames, and gases that may cause sudden death or cancer, as well as those offshore, for example, the rig workers. They get paid handsomely because their work is very risky. But funny enough one can still earn much money or more by working from home. With my detailed explanation which do you prefer now?

[shinratensei_]

In my organisation the management introduces the work from hone option to reduce the cost of transportation on mostly the lower level employees.
I don't see it as immoral act provided no employee is taken advantage of the event. Rather it has really helped to a certain degree with its aim.
Aa long as an employee did not misuse such opportunity it is fine to work anywhere and not necessarily be at the work station.

most of digitally conscious companies are doing exactly that, they appreciate cutting costs that are deemed unnecessary including this one, even i've seen plenty of companies right now having employee 100% working through remote that even the company itself doesn't really need large building for working office but instead just small head quarter which is nice if you think about it and trust me there's nothing wrong with not going to the office just to do some jobs.
the pandemic has taught us that its viable, even there's some big corporations trying to make metaverse focused in exactly this and unfortunately though they failed because metaverse field was never being explored fully since they are just at the introductory stage when pandemic is over and can't have the chance to get people into trying it, now everywhere they use zoom for meetings and for the IT based company always have some platform like slack and discord.

the company that refuses work from home and considers it immoral probably just very few out of bunch of companies out there that accepts the fact in which we are moving on from traditional working environment to a more digitalized one for the sake of cutting costs.

But on the other side , online work increases the patient of diabetes and heart attack and everyone is influenced by heart attack.

I was actually impressed with what you have been saying not until you mentioned this.

Online work is much safer because it decreases the intake of toxic carbons that come from fuel and it also reduces sun burns other climate or scientific effects. Physical jobs are riskier in terms of health. Ask those who work in the oil sector they are open to hazards, dangerous flames, and gases that may cause sudden death or cancer, as well as those offshore, for example, the rig workers. They get paid handsomely because their work is very risky. But funny enough one can still earn much money or more by working from home. With my detailed explanation which do you prefer now?

even mining company right now also starting to introduce working from home by remote controlling the machines used to mine its fascinating and could eliminate the unnecessary risks of accident at the same time.
if more company embraces such working environment it will increase productivity by several folds in my opinion.

[o48o]

I feel like the ultra-rich class wants people to not work from home because work from home devalues their grip on power. Their properties in skyscrapers become worthless, their office spaces go bankrupt, their apartments have vacancies, their expensive urban utility companies become useless... People can go back to the village and deliver the same work so long as there's an internet connection, be it 4g or ADSL.

I HATE this propaganda against working from home. Like yes, at least give the people the option to go to the office. If they want to, great. If I had offices near my house that I own I'd go to. But I'm thinking of never renting again now that I can work from home more easily.

Yeah, but that literally also would save them money as well. If office space isn't needed, and if they own it, they can rent it and actually make more money with it. Not to mention money they save for cutting out cleaning, security, water and electricity bills.

Only believeable things i would see to elon's nonsense, are that he actually wants to make his employees know who is the boss, and that he can have his video surveillance on them. Or that there's some sort of tax cut sidehustle going on with company's 3rd party services. Because idea that elon would give a single fuck for workers equality is just ridiculous and we can see it by just watching and listening. There's lawsuits against him from ex employees, reports of him bullying and abusing them etc.. Even bloody tweets directly against his workers, one harassment that i know to directly against his disabled worker. Believing that this would have anything to morality or equality is just plain weird.

[bitgolden]

Working from home means that you are going to have more time, both for yourself but in general as well. There is no commute, there is no limitations of work place, there is no issues where your boss could diminish your work, you are basically free.

This scares employers because they are aware that you could just find another one like that anytime there is a better offer, in any normal case if you are at the office where they can see you, it's harder to accept job offers because it would be hard to even go to interview, but you could just take your one hour lunch break at interview time and get away with it if you are working remote. All in all, employers all around the world that remote working gives workers some power, and that's why they are scared.