Some people that left this forum recently

[Oshosondy]

I read this topic Is this forum getting worse and worse?

During the mixers days on this forum, some good posters were visiting this forum daily and contributing good. Some of them are in mixers campaigns and they were collecting huge amount of money but which might still be small for them if they are living in a well developed country. Small or not small, it is still money that can help.

I said the money can help because Chipmixer was paying $300 which is $12000 in 28 days and $15600 in a year. That amount is not small in a way we can call it small. It can still be used to pay for house rent and some bills in well developed countries like the United. Mixero was paying $250 weekly. Sinbad was paying $200. It went to the point that Tumbler came and paying $250 for 25 posts weekly.

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

[Hatchy]

 Or I am just wrong about it.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

You are actually right, and anyone on this forum before the mixer ban must have known this as well, so I really don't see a need for this thread. You should have just discussed it over there on the other thread by @BlackHatCoiner If campaigns are really what's going to make the forum as active as it was before, then I know there will be more signature campaigns soon. We just need a little patience.

[Jawhead999]

We can't know if we didn't ask the users, so your assumption is just one of many reasons.

Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring?

I would say it's better to separate low pay and freedom of speech/censoring.

The forum only censor direct URL link, anyone who want to discuss about certain mixer, review, how it works are still fine. We can say the forum has no freedom of speech if talking about mixer will get punishment.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people alt accounts will come.

FTFY.

[Davidvictorson]

Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

There are many reputable posters who have never been in a signature campaign since they joined the forum. Check the technical board and you'll see them. While some have left, some are still here and money was never the motivation. I don't know what their motivation if as it could be one of many. The thing is, for some of them it wasn't the pay, maybe they got bored of the forum and decided to move on to something interesting.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

I agree with you.

[hd49728]

Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

Who leave will leave or already leave and who stay will stay here with us.

I don't know you noticed some differences in their posting intensity. People who left after CM event and a more severe ban on all mixers, usually don't post too much. So even those campaigns stay with us, they will continue their very limited posts weekly.

People who stay after CM or mixer ban here, are active posters and I believe they will continue to stay here before we see their posting intensity drops a lot.

[Lucius]

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I said the money can help because Chipmixer was paying $300 which is $12000 in 28 days and $15600 in a year. That amount is not small in a way we can call it small.

CM paid most of his campaign 0.0375 BTC for 50 posts per week, what you mentioned didn't last too long - and the max payout per week was $1200 (you added one more zero). If you look at the current price of BTC, anyone who was in the campaign in, say, the first three years and did not spend their earnings today can say that they earned about $10 000 a month or $120 000 a year.

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

It is true that some left for various reasons, and some certainly because they were no longer motivated (financially) or they got scared after CM was banned. However, many remained and are still active regardless of the fact that the campaigns pay quite low pay rates compared to what they paid before. It would be interesting to see what would happen if some campaigns significantly raised pay rates - that is, if that would motivate some old members to return.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

There is some truth in that, but it's still hard to replace some members who have been on the forum for a long time and they were extremely high-quality posters. In addition, new members used to definitely have a motive to one day become members of some of the best paid sig campaigns, today there is no such motive at all - although for some, even $100 a week is certainly a lot of money.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I read that first topic and from what I observed, there were lot of legendary members who where promoting Chipmixer back then and they where deeply contributing to the forum but after the campaign stopped and the company was ceased, some members stopped being active on the forum while some of old participants of the campaign are still active.

The honest truth is that mixer campaigns paid higher in terms of post incentives but since there's non high paying campaign, it still made some members lose interest on the forum pluse the fact that they can not talk freely and make reference to some sites for Bitcoin privacy.

I am not saying that there are no other reputable members on the forum but many left and some stopped being active as before when they were deeply be engaged in posting educative comment and topics for health discussion.

Just as the saying goes, "soldier go, soldier come, barrack remains as it is. "  There is life outside the forum, some members might have left because they find others important stuffs to do outside the forum, we might feel the impact of their absence but with time, the forum can still become better if there is no strict changes that can further make people lose interest.

[348Judah]

I read this topic Is this forum getting worse and worse?

During the mixers days on this forum, some good posters were visiting this forum daily and contributing good. Some of them are in mixers campaigns and they were collecting huge amount of money but which might still be small for them if they are living in a well developed country. Small or not small, it is still money that can help.

The question we all should still be asking ourself is on how well we are going to remain committed to the forum even without having signature campaigns to participate in, there is nothing bad in it when we already have a large number of people who truly depends on the signature campaigns for their survival because of poor economy and the likes, but also remember that it was something most of them have been used to before hearing bout bitcoin or this forum, but whichever way, we should know that life goes on and people will always come here and go no matter what.

[tranthidung]

The question we all should still be asking ourself is on how well we are going to remain committed to the forum even without having signature campaigns to participate in, there is nothing bad in it when we already have a large number of people who truly depends on the signature campaigns for their survival because of poor economy and the likes, but also remember that it was something most of them have been used to before hearing bout bitcoin or this forum, but whichever way, we should know that life goes on and people will always come here and go no matter what.

The forum will not die because no more signature campaigns are allowed here. It will return to what it was before signature campaigns appeared here years ago.

In 2017, because of Bitcoin bull run and ICO waves, the forum was flooded with spammers and theymos considered many options before he decided to launch the merit system.

One of options is shut down the signature campaign industry globally.

See

• Ideas for improving post quality

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

 - Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

Recall that there are spammers in those mixer campaigns ^{community complained about it as I know}, having them here is not always good for post quality and spam issue in the forum.

[Zaguru12]

The honest truth is that mixer campaigns paid higher in terms of post incentives but since there's non high paying campaign, it still made some members lose interest on the forum pluse the fact that they can not talk freely and make reference to some sites for Bitcoin privacy.

I will rule out the not talk freely part, yea the forum has been placed under some certain restrictions which are just word of url filtering to direct mixer sites not to promote mixers as signatures (since they contain the url too) but all other freedom of the forum still exists so I wouldn’t say the reason why the whole lots of members left were solely because of lack of freedom.

The Siezure of Chipmixer was definitely the first stroke that affected the forum, the amount paid was definitely kind of an incentive for them and having to post 50 posts a week was a motivation to come here everyday to do something. When it ended some of them were definitely done with promoting any campaign here again as the remaining ones didn’t probably align with their narratives, so the 50 post which seems like a must a week reduced.

Another reason again is for the technical board, there was certainly no new projects or proposals coming in like they use to have in the past and that reduce the engagement on that board which was reason why some members visit here and as made them to reduce their engagement in the entire board. So there are many reasons that has affected the forum lack of traffic this days.

Off topic though; I see the reduce engagement of the reputable members on the forum affecting the merit circulation also has this has also reduce the number of merit sources here. Needless to say but merit is also like an encouragement to others to post more quality threads here and it’s reducing though

[cryptoaddictchie]

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

Well if you noticed majority stays. I think its not about the payment but the availability of them or interest to stay. Sure some left due to personal life stuff or got bored in staying here. No one get bored if you get paid for hanging out. Is there such user whom actively posting evem though they arent on signature, for sure only few and those are really dedicated here. But of course if theres a privilege like be in a campaign regardless how big the compensation youll do it right.

[EFS]

People come and go, this has nothing to do with mixers or banning mixer signatures. People spend more time on social media. Those platforms are more suitable for quick access to information and instant interaction. Forum culture is just a habit of dinosaurs like us from the past.
It's normal for new members to come in small numbers and for some old members to leave. I'm also a member of many forums besides here. When I compare them with this forum, I can say that the current state of the forum is quite good.

[NotATether]

The business model of mixers imply that they are going to make an insane amount of profit and thus will have much more money to spend on advertising than other kinds of services. Banning them hasn't really changed a thing in that regard, and I would be surprised if anybody left because they went from earning $200 to $100 per week.

[Findingnemo]

This doesn't have anything to do with the signature campaigns if we are talking about OGs because they were here even before the existence of signatures but the restrictions regarding the discussion about mixers might be a trigger point.

I would say we are running out of things that has to be discussed anymore, because it has been discussed over and over so at some point it will get boring so people stopped doing it.

As someone said keeping the discussion board is active for the future of bitcointalk even if it's mostly filled with spam and that's why the merit system is introduced isn't it, so do we need to change anything in the system because numbers obviously matters most in the internet world.

Likes, followers, subscribers so does merits.

[Sandra_hakeem]

It is true that some left for various reasons, and some certainly because they were no longer motivated (financially) or they got scared after CM was banned. However, many remained and are still active regardless of the fact that the campaigns pay quite low pay rates compared to what they paid before. It would be interesting to see what would happen if some campaigns significantly raised pay rates - that is, if that would motivate some old members to return.

The campaigns don't need to augment their pay rates for whatever reasons that should be.... I mean, they could decide to not raise the payments. Secondly, you also don't have to force things on people; alot of posters with accounts in disguise in here are millionaires.. if they choose to not advertise any casino for offering a lower pay rate, that's exactly their own decision!

There is some truth in that, but it's still hard to replace some members who have been on the forum for a long time and they were extremely high-quality posters. In addition, new members used to definitely have a motive to one day become members of some of the best paid sig campaigns, today there is no such motive at all - although for some, even $100 a week is certainly a lot of money.

it's appalling that the actual genuiness and hunger for more adept knowledge on Bitcoin has been traded for a token; if truly, most people left the community for that reason, I'll be damned for not knowing how less interested people could be on things they earn nothing from.
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[...]and I would be surprised if anybody left because they went from earning $200 to $100 per week.

I'd be surprised too... Why must I be entitled to something that's not an entitlement?

[Justbillywitt]

I read this topic Is this forum getting worse and worse?

During the mixers days on this forum, some good posters were visiting this forum daily and contributing good. Some of them are in mixers campaigns and they were collecting huge amount of money but which might still be small for them if they are living in a well developed country. Small or not small, it is still money that can help.

I said the money can help because Chipmixer was paying $300 which is $12000 in 28 days and $15600 in a year. That amount is not small in a way we can call it small. It can still be used to pay for house rent and some bills in well developed countries like the United. Mixero was paying $250 weekly. Sinbad was paying $200. It went to the point that Tumbler came and paying $250 for 25 posts weekly.

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.

I said it before and I will still say it again that, it's quite obvious that these set of people left because mixer left the forum. Maybe they feel that what was fetching them little money as you called it is no longer here and the available ones are becoming more competitive, and taking a pay cut to promote available campaigns might not really go down well with them. It will take a lot for someone who is used to earning $250 and above to suddenly settle for $80 or $90, so they will look for something else that can be giving them similar range of income elsewhere.  

It might not be that they left outrightly though, it could be that they are just taking break for sometime with the hope that something different will happen to make them be more active.

[Stalker22]

People come and go, thats just life.  When stuff gets busy, interests change or maybe the place just gets boring.  Cant blame folks for moving on, you know? 

But some of these signature campaigns if not watched close, could really mess things up around here.  Now theres already a few happening which are alright enough.  Though seems like more low-rent ones keep popping up too, offering rewards for posts that dont say much or matter.  And if that becomes the norm, then for sure the conversations will suck and

Id say the mood around here depends just as much on the managers running these campaigns as it does on the moderators.  Both of them shape what kind of place we have.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

I didn't see the freedom of speech part of your topic coming at the ending, I was thinking you'll be asking if the reduce in payment is the reason they left and my response that was already in my head was that, if they want to leave because they're not being paid well, then they don't deserve to be here in the first place and for those leaving for freedom of speech, what would they had loved between having no forum to come to or the precaution step that the forum took to stay operational and avoid harassment from the government.

Irrespective of what we like, the forum isn't decentralized but centralized and the government can take it down if they consider here to being an accomplice to the crimes the mixers are getting accused of and theymos would be the one taking all the heat while we stay safe at our homes. I don't think it's the low pay that is making them to leave the forum but there are only things that is taking their time and also because they aren't getting accepted into the available campaigns either intentionally or because they aren't active posters on the boards that the campaigns managers needs participants from.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Am sure many of those posters who we no longer see as much, are engaged perhaps in the altcoin talk forum that many of us ported our Bitcointalk accounts to or it could be that they have lost their access to their accounts or having health concerns or they are having any kind of the challenges that we may most times experience as beings.

 If they are more active there and have joined campaigns that don't mind about the mixers subject, it could be a very good reason and in addition to the fact that evolution is happening here, therefore some will have to leave or pass through this forum, inorder for others to come onboard and benefit as much as they learn.

[Stepstowealth]

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

Some reputable forum members did not get their reputation simply by pursuing the stipends given by signature campaigns. Signature campaigns only came as an opportunity for them which they took, and now that the very high signature campaigns have almost all ended they are not discouraged to leave the forum because the money was not their original reason for being in this forum.
Before a reputable member of this forum decides to leave the forum, I take it like they have a very good reason for it maybe as a break due to the mental fatigue that being and contributing in this form every day can cause or maybe as a result of them being occupied by other activities outside of the forum, there could also be other special reasons.