Can soccer players collaborate with gamblers to help them win there bet?

[Hewlet]

Lucas paqueta just got charged by the FA for allegedly bridging betting rules. According to report, it's believed that he intentionally took yellow cards in some key matches just so some gamblers can profit from there betting.

I know wrestling and boxing are the popular sports where fixed matches is dominant but has this gotten to football we're players can intentionally foul an opponents just to be penalized with a yellow card? If this is true,  what's now the faith of proper sports? If players can't take out there personal interest out of sports and just do thier part which gives gamblers a neutral ground to thread on, then we've got a lot of problems in the sector.

What's your view on this, is it possible that such alligatoin might be true?

[Oshosondy]

There are thousands of football players in the world, we should know that some of them will be corrupt to do something to make money. This should not surprise anyone and there are some other players that will do the same thing. If this can be seen in English top leagues, you can see how it can be common on other leagues, especially the lower leagues. In one way or the other, there would be manipulations.

[Davidvictorson]

I am surprised to see that this happened in a very popular League. And I wonder what could be the motivation for him as a player like what is in it for him. Usually this kind of things happens in less popular leagues like the local leagues. I think you should be a ban so as to serve as a warning to other players. Also players who do this are the ones who cannot become world best and win awards in the game because they are carried away by betting which offers little value in comparison to their future at the sport if they give it their best.

[acroman08]

I know wrestling and boxing are the popular sports where fixed matches is dominant
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just curious, which wrestling are you talking about? If you are talking about WWE, that "sport" is scripted and the results of the "matches" there are predetermined unless something unexpected happens.

What's your view on this, is it possible that such alligatoin might be true?
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yes, there is even a possibility that one or some of those bettors are betting for him. also, there is another thread recently created about match-fixing where I posted that an NBA athlete got a lifetime ban because of betting and trying to fix his team's matches.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Do not forget that football players are ordinary people who are subject to greed and all human vices. Thinking of players as responsible people who are passionate about doing everything for the team is very naive in this day and age. Everyone has a price; some have more, some have less. Everyone is bought, and everyone is sold. Don't be as fascinated by the sport as it was supposed to be. And even though football players have huge salaries by human standards, you can see some of them in very poor quality, selling or betraying the game.

[m2017]

Lucas paqueta just got charged by the FA for allegedly bridging betting rules. According to report, it's believed that he intentionally took yellow cards in some key matches just so some gamblers can profit from there betting.

I know wrestling and boxing are the popular sports where fixed matches is dominant but has this gotten to football we're players can intentionally foul an opponents just to be penalized with a yellow card? If this is true,  what's now the faith of proper sports? If players can't take out there personal interest out of sports and just do thier part which gives gamblers a neutral ground to thread on, then we've got a lot of problems in the sector.

What's your view on this, is it possible that such alligatoin might be true?

In the next topic (Do you believe in match fixing?) there was a discussion about match fixing (it was necessary to arrange a vote) and the majority of users declare their belief in match fixing and this problem certainly exists in sports.

If Lucas Paqueta’s involvement in this is proven, then he should certainly be punished, preferably suspended from games for some time as a warning to other athletes so that there are no match-fixings. Impunity gives rise to vice and punishment only with a fine will be a very light punishment and will have practically no proper preventive effect on repetition. Without such control, otherwise sport will turn from competition into a theater of the absurd. Sports must preserve the purity of competition.

[Hirose UK]

For problems like this, I myself believe in it and indeed there is lot of manipulation or cheating that is deliberately carried out for money or other purposes such as betting, but for some sports in big competitions we can be sure that this happens very rarely.
On average, these are small competitions or competitions that are not very popular because in these competitions the prize money for the winners is not too big, so some parties take advantage of this condition to be able to regulate the course of the game with the aim of making it easier to win the bet.
I sure that almost all types of sports have experienced problems like that, but there is not much that can be published or known by the organizers.

This is also the reason why I always bet in every big, important championship or competition because unexpected things such as manipulation and cheating for certain purposes are also very rare.

[iv4n]

"Jontay Porter receives lifetime ban from NBA for violating gambling rules" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5493370.msg63962337#msg63962337

Biggest Sports Betting Scandals - https://www.gosubetting.com/blog/betting-guides/biggest-sports-betting-scandals/

We can find many more articles about cooperation between gamblers and players. One thing is for sure, the big names reach the newspapers and usually from the strong world leagues, but there are many more in the lower leagues, which are not followed by everyone and which slip under the radar.

So it's not a question of whether they can cooperate or not. The question is how much it really happens in all sporting events, can we even make any assumptions about it? For example, does this happen in 10-20% of all games worldwide? Maybe more or less?

[Marvelockg]

This is also the reason why I always bet in every big, important championship or competition because unexpected things such as manipulation and cheating for certain purposes are also very rare.

Lucas paqueta is not just an average player that's playing for one of the unpopular leagues on the globe, the dude is a renounde midfielder that's playing for west Ham so your statement is not right that this can't happen in bigger or more popular leagues.

On his part, he doesn't show an act of sportsmanship for stopping too low to doing that kind of thing and even if he is able to win in this case, it's going to affect his carrier as officiating referee would be to observant of him whenever he is involved in any match. Wether his intentions is to help the gambling community we can't really tell but whatever is his intentions for going this extreme is very bad and such kind of act deserves a strict disciplinary measures against him

[LFC_Bitcoin]

It’s called match fixing and it’s highly illegal. It happens though, there have been some very public revelations recently in the PL.

Imagine if it’s happening in a top 5 European League, how bad is it in less wealthy leagues where the players are earning less.

[stompix]

This is also the reason why I always bet in every big, important championship or competition because unexpected things such as manipulation and cheating for certain purposes are also very rare.

Lucas paqueta is not just an average player that's playing for one of the unpopular leagues on the globe, the dude is a renounde midfielder that's playing for west Ham so your statement is not right that this can't happen in bigger or more popular leagues.

Read again see clearly said very rare he didn't say impossible and why insert that huge ass picture, do you think you're making some point or something? Pay more attention to what people say rather than rush for your quota!

just curious, which wrestling are you talking about? If you are talking about WWE, that "sport" is scripted and the results of the "matches" there are predetermined unless something unexpected happens.

And yet this doesn't stop bookies from taking bets on the "winner" and gamblers throwing money at it.
I've never understood why in some countries it is legal to bet on predetermined things like WWE , or dumber things like an artist releasing a song this year or the end of a tv show season.
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/18/game-of-thrones-odds/

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It's true, that match-fixing is a big problem in some sports, and soccer hasn't been immune.

Let’s wait for the results of a thorough investigation before jumping to conclusions. If this is true, it's a major blow to the integrity of the sport. Fans want to see genuine competition, not games decided by bets. It would indeed be a grave concern for the future of football. The essence of sports lies in fair competition and the pursuit of excellence, and any form of manipulation for personal gain undermines these principles.

[TravelMug]

In NBA there are player/s who've been caught cheating, like recently - Jontay Porter.

Toronto Raptors forward Jontay Porter has received a lifetime ban from the NBA on Wednesday after a league probe found he disclosed confidential information to sports bettors and wagered on games, even betting on the Raptors to lose.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/jontay-porter-banned-from-nba-for-gambling-related-violations

So I guess in any league or sports, there is not 1% that some players are going to collude or bet on the game itself as they can influence the outcome.

[Assface16678]

Well, that proves that there is match fixing happening in sports, and it is inevitable. Some people take advantage of the fact that there are players or inside personnel that could give gamblers some information that will benefit them.
That's why I am careful with when and where I bet because I know that there are fixed matches, or sometimes people are giving information to other gamblers in order for them to have commission and earnings.
That's why we should be more careful and be aware of the matches we will bet if yoh find it too suspicious then be more cautious in order not to be taken advantage and lose moneh from unjustice losing in gambling, the player should be punished in what he do, they are not fair and should be ban from playing, that's what I hate the most, cheating and manipulating the result of the match for their own benefit.

[Peanutswar]

In the professional scene theres lot of pro players make a gambling with their games is most of those are in breach to their contracts because there's a possibility that they will throw the game, have an intention to make a move just to satisfy their wager, I've seen this a lot in e-sports betting tons of player gets sanctions, banned and other penalties base on observation of the people and the management itself so they get caught easily. Players might not focus with the game instead their goal to win their bets. Its like they are just playing and commit those actions reason just to win their wages.

[ryzaadit]

These were common things.

Any small league can be fixed. That's why, while you want to bet and avoid match-fixing is to betting on the big league don't bet on the small league. Usually, the match-fixing is from
- Getting payed by someone/organization.
- Payback from the player to some important person in the league/club because putting him in the club.

That's why, I really avoid small league.

[irhact]

I am surprised to see that this happened in a very popular League. And I wonder what could be the motivation for him as a player like what is in it for him. Usually this kind of things happens in less popular leagues like the local leagues. I think you should be a ban so as to serve as a warning to other players. Also players who do this are the ones who cannot become world best and win awards in the game because they are carried away by betting which offers little value in comparison to their future at the sport if they give it their best.

The EPL being one of the major league in the world doesn't mean there would be no corrupt players or officials since last season and this several players have been found guilty of breaching football regulations by involving themselves in gambling or helping their families and friends to win the bookings for instance Tonali of Newcastle and Ivan Toney of Brentford who were charged by the FA.

 I think Tonali's case was a breach in betting and was suspended by the FA while Ivan toney was accused of illegal betting and faced the penalty as well, therefore if Pacqueta is quilty as charged he'll face the penalty as well. Other players are supposed to learn from this and avoid any act that could ruin their career if they're not contented with the pay, they should work hard enough to deserve an increment in their wages and not involving themselves in acts against FA rules.

[Zlantann]

There are thousands of football players in the world, we should know that some of them will be corrupt to do something to make money. This should not surprise anyone and there are some other players that will do the same thing. If this can be seen in English top leagues, you can see how it can be common on other leagues, especially the lower leagues. In one way or the other, there would be manipulations.

It is common to see these corrupt practices in low-class leagues in some parts of the world. But for a player who earns £130,000 per week to engage in this match-fixing, it is clearly associated with greed. He has denied the allegations and promised to fight it with all he has. This news is a product of nine months of investigation, and I doubt if there is an atom of truth in it.

Players will always deny such allegations until they are shown clear evidence and that is when they will tender some heartfelt apology. Lucas Paqueta has put his career at high risk if he is involved in such a shameful action. His move to Manchester City has been halted due to this news, and he might suffer a long-term ban. Players who engaged in the same yellow card betting scandal, such as Kynan Isaac and Bradley Wood, got six and twelve-year bans, respectively.

[Queentoshi]

There are thousands of football players in the world, we should know that some of them will be corrupt to do something to make money. This should not surprise anyone and there are some other players that will do the same thing. If this can be seen in English top leagues, you can see how it can be common on other leagues, especially the lower leagues. In one way or the other, there would be manipulations.

It is common to see these corrupt practices in low-class leagues in some parts of the world. But for a player who earns £130,000 per week to engage in this match-fixing, it is clearly associated with greed.

I don't think it is just greed I also perceive an element of addiction in it because just for fun and for the possibility that they can do it, some gamblers may attempt trying to influence games in their own favor while betting huge amounts of money on it. I am not surprised that these players do not learn because even in this forum, people still continue to plagiarize, and use AI even when they know the consequences, I see it as an overconfidence that they can do something against the rules and not be caught. As a player, you may be under investigation without you knowing.

[sunsilk]

They can collaborate and break the rule of law from being a professional and that also takes away their professional title.

There are a lot of athletes that have done this in the past for the sake of little money that they're going to earn from that bet. But in return, their career is going to be ruined with that simple bet and commission that they might earn from the obvious fouls and actions they do on the particular match where their bettors have a bet.

It's not worth it if there will be some pro athletes that are thinking of doing this. Some might have been unnoticed but it won't go forever for them and the time will come that the obvious will be found out.