Can anti gamblers accept cash from gamblers when they're in dire financial needs

[Jawhead999]

Even though in Islam they forbid to eat pork, but if you're in crisis, trouble or anything that make you can't find halal food to eat, you're allowed to eat pork or any other forbidden food. So if they're in dire financial needs, I'd say they will accept it if there's no way for them to collect money at that time.

So, it's not about sin or bad anymore, when in trouble and have no choice, you're forced to pick it.

[Assface16678]

The morale in this story is that people that condemns gambling should not judge, because it's not a crime to gamble. Although we have irresponsible gamblers, but then there are irresponsible people in every areas of life. So what do you think about the people that condemns gambling?

You do have a point. For me as a gambler or an individual who does gambling, gambling entirely is not a bad thing; it is created, or the gambling games are created solely for entertainment, and it is only called gambling because later on it is associated with money or staking and the concept of winner and loser. The sin we called those people who commit it—I mean, if a person or individual does unimaginable things, affecting themselves and other people around them negatively. So for me, gambling is not a sin; the sin or bad thing is what gamblers do just because they can't control themselves anymore, and that results in negative events. Really, people want to blame something that is not alive, like gambling, gambling games, or whatever. What they should blame are those people who cannot control themselves and are doing things that should not be done.

[panjul07]

Tricky situation and it will be always depending on the one who is considered as "anti gamblers".
Probably someone may not accept cash from gamblers although he/she needs the money hardly, and he/she will try to find other people.
At the other situation, someone who declare himself as anti gamblers may accept the money if there is no other option for him.
This is why I say it is as a tricky situation becasu we never know what people will do in various situation because it will always back to the person.

[harapan]

Even if the money is stolen, they will not care to know the source of money, not to talk of it come from gambling or not. Only what that would be in their mind is that they should get the money and use it for the important thing they need it for. I know life and I know how people behave.

Mmm  well some people's believe can sink deep into them that even in their last state of survival twgey would refuse such help cause they think it's sin and  and an abuse to their believe.i know definitely what I'm saying I had this neighbors that are so confidant in their religious beliefs that anything gambling or alcohol is  a sin to them and you that's involved in it you will be avoided.
So the husband was hospitalized even to a point of debt and she don't have penny on her for them to carry on treatment in her but her brother in-law was offering her money for support she bluntly refused it even afteruch persuasion from people around.all because she knows he gambles and all that.

[Zanab247]

Even though you tell the anti gambler that the money you want to give them to solve their problems is from gambling,they will collect the money, because they need the money urgently and they will not care if they have condemned gambling in your presence.

I will not blame the people that is condemning gambling, because they have seen some gamblers that Sold their property just to gamble, and there are some that killed someone just to collect the money to gamble which is the reason the anti gambler use to condemned gambling.

Those that gamble in a responsible way, it will be difficult for anti gambler to see them because they don't use to show themselves in public and even though they won from gambling center you will not know but those that addicted to gambling, once they loss in gambling the news will go viral for anti gambler to believe that gambling is bad.

[Jody.Drummer]

Yes I understand that there are always some people who condemn gambling or who have a very bad stigma towards gambling so that they see a gambler as irresponsible or who has a very bad personality, but on the other hand I think it depends on the situation, if for example the situation is really very urgent which could cost someone's life if we don't immediately make a decision to take advantage of help from others then I think there is definitely nothing wrong with taking help money from others even though basically the money is the result of winning in gambling.
 
I think it's okay to take it because after all even though you have a very bad stigma against people who are involved in gambling but if it is only their help that can save someone's life then why not take quick action to utilize the help? What we have to see in this context is that even though they are a gambler but they have very good and sincere intentions to help you save someone's life.

[bitzizzix]

In my opinion, money from gambling is haram. However, if gambling money is used to help people or do good, that's okay because the sinner is still the gambler, not the person in need, as long as it is really used to help that person and provide it according to their needs.
Logically, the person comes to the gambler to borrow money because God knows he will help him and show it to the gambler and the problem will be resolved. And I'm sure the guy has tried here and there before but to no avail, and his last resort was to become a gambler and she helped him. So whatever happens is with the permission of the Almighty and shown to the right people.
And nowadays no one cares where the money comes from and if it was really important, they would still use it to solve their problems.

[Apocollapse]

Obviously they will accept it.

People will not think anymore when they get offered something that really need it, let's say you haven't eat for 2 weeks and you're very hungry, someone offer you his leftover food, will you reject it? I really doubt it.

It's human nature, especially money is the most important thing now.

[aioc]

It's not hard to decide if the reason is this
 

So I'm wondering in a scenerio where people with these anti gambling believes and mindset finds themselves in a situation where they perhaps needed to save a life urgently and what is needed is money for quick surgery.

If there's no other way but to accept cash but only this option, then he should forever carry the burden of guilt, but if there's another way he should not accept it because he will also feel guilty knowing that it's against his principles when the life of your love one's is at stake pride and principle should not interfere.

[livingfree]

IMO, this quote "for every rule, there is an exception" can be applied for some situations that we may deal with.

There is no law about gamblers donating money to the people that are in need of immediate help. I think in religious laws, they won't accept it but again, there's always the contemplation about the situation.

So, if there's no law about such, you're free to accept it and just be grateful that you're chosen and decided to receive that in-kind.

[nimogsm]

That's a slap to the face. But you don't wanna do that to your worse enemies. When someone is in dire need of help, whether he's your friend or enemy, you don't stomp on the face of your enemy that has already fallen on the ground.  If you want to donate, just be a cheerful giver. Coz that's what the bible says be a cheerful giver.. Amen

sometimes we can help even our worst enemy, life is full of surprises. I think that if a person finds himself in a critical situation, in 99% of cases he will not care where these funds come from if they can affect his future life right now. In such situations, the question of faith and principles is definitely fades into the background.

[Awaklara]

I've heard and seen people that condemns gambling, due to their religious believes, some because they think that gamblers are irresponsible people, while others are what they've heard about gambling addicts. This sets of people will tell you that gambling is sin, gamblers are people who wants to take shortcuts to riches and gamblers are not responsible or to be trusted with money.

even though I actually hid my gambling activities. but I really had such an experience.
That's what my neighbor said when he was anti-gambling when he was gathering and talking about someone who was having problems related to gambling addiction.
of course, my neighbors don't know that I am a gambler. but he borrowed money from me several times for urgent needs.
I don't know how would feel if my neighbors knew that I was also a gambler. but I won't tell him anything, just for convenience so that no one is disturbed.

I just think we can have different beliefs and thoughts. but at least we don't condemn other people's ugliness so badly.

[crwth]

Hmm. This is quite a dilemma knowing that if you need money, it doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it solves the problem in a way that money could. Maybe it has something to do with hospital stuff. The moral dilemma wouldn't matter as much IMO since it's a dire need. But I think if it's an evil way like stealing, it might be a different case. Winnings from a gambling habit might not be that hard or something.

[Hewlet]

The morale in this story is that people that condemns gambling should not judge, because it's not a crime to gamble. Although we have irresponsible gamblers, but then there are irresponsible people in every areas of life. So what do you think about the people that condemns gambling?

this reminds m of what happened between my friend and his dad while we were still in high school. So from our religious standpoint, examination malpractice is a condemnable act that's seriously frawned at and seen as something that shows lack of faith and God and a general compromise of the highest order. My friend's dad was into examination malpractice and used the money gotten from it to train and take care of the family and even though they all knew that, they enjoyed all the money but were not in the same school of thought that what the dad was doing was right. A day came when his dad asked him to come help him write an exam for somebody and my friend refused citing that it's wrong for him to write exams for someone since it's a sin there religious context. The dad asked  why he never rejected all the money he has been bringing at home all this while and the guy was just mute at that time.

The truth is that we're quick to condemn things and then when we're in a tight corner we tend to bring out excuses to justify our actions. If you're against something, be totally against it at time. If you can compromise when things gets tough, then there is no point of kicking against it in the first place. Gambling generally isn't bad and there exist lots of gambling activities we've actively gotten involved in without even knowing it. I know when someone's life is at stake, anything that's more like a solution is rushed after but that's never to say that you should now go into an act you've longed kicked against.

[Yatsan]

Yes of course, some people could be hypocrites in any way. Also has something to do with them being "anti". Some people are just not into gambling activities or that they don't support it and that's just fine. Whie others are totally against not only in the activity but also with gamblers themselves. Some of these anti-gambling wouldn't accept the money even if they are in dire situation but it will all boil down to individual differences and personal beliefs.

That's a slap to the face. But you don't wanna do that to your worse enemies. When someone is in dire need of help, whether he's your friend or enemy, you don't stomp on the face of your enemy that has already fallen on the ground.  If you want to donate, just be a cheerful giver. Coz that's what the bible says be a cheerful giver.. Amen

sometimes we can help even our worst enemy, life is full of surprises. I think that if a person finds himself in a critical situation, in 99% of cases he will not care where these funds come from if they can affect his future life right now. In such situations, the question of faith and principles is definitely fades into the background.

I agree, some people could swallow their pride if they will be weighing the situation they are in. We cannot be not logical at all times. If setting aside your ego will lead to the betterment of the situation, and you still did not, then it's on you to aid things on your own.

[BABY SHOES]

Do not be hypocritical when an emergency requires from a gambler who is said to be financial to save their lives then take that option you do not need to think about the source from where it is clear that your focus is on saving these lives and after all normal conditions you just pay back if you borrow him the gambler gives just say thank you.

For me that's enough.

But there are always people who think gambling is bad even if they don't want to accept it if the person is religious, I can't say much about this but clearly in an emergency whatever it is more important even other religions teach what should be needed with someone's help indiscriminately.

[sompitonov]

I've heard and seen people that condemns gambling, due to their religious believes, some because they think that gamblers are irresponsible people, while others are what they've heard about gambling addicts. This sets of people will tell you that gambling is sin, gamblers are people who wants to take shortcuts to riches and gamblers are not responsible or to be trusted with money.

But when trouble comes, that is the best time to judge people's characters, it's then that you will know whether they practice what they preach. So I'm wondering in a scenerio where people with these anti gambling believes and mindset finds themselves in a situation where they perhaps needed to save a life urgently and what is needed is money for quick surgery. And the only person that volunteered to give the money is someone that says he/she won the money in gambling, I wonder if the anti gambling person in dire need will collect the money.

The morale in this story is that people that condemns gambling should not judge, because it's not a crime to gamble. Although we have irresponsible gamblers, but then there are irresponsible people in every areas of life. So what do you think about the people that condemns gambling?

There are indeed many words in your reasoning OP that I agree with. But I would not touch religion, because this is a very fine line for so many people. I would say that everyone decides for themselves what to do and is responsible for their life and for their loved ones. I don’t mind them playing, but as soon as an addicted player cannot pay off his debts and has to pay his wife and child or sick mother for it, then this sounds terrible to me. However, the same can be said about irresponsibility when a drunk driver gets behind the wheel, he does not think about the lives of other people, he just drives, but at this time he is a potential killer, even if he does not want it. Therefore, in the end, everything is correct, irresponsible people are everywhere, there are just a lot of them in gambling.

[Stepstowealth]

But when trouble comes, that is the best time to judge people's characters, it's then that you will know whether they practice what they preach. So I'm wondering in a scenerio where people with these anti gambling believes and mindset finds themselves in a situation where they perhaps needed to save a life urgently and what is needed is money for quick surgery. And the only person that volunteered to give the money is someone that says he/she won the money in gambling, I wonder if the anti gambling person in dire need will collect the money.

If it is a life or death situation there is no need trying to prove a point even if it did not like gambling. You really regret it if the person you are trying to save their life dies because you are trying to prove a point that gambling is bad and that you would not accept money from a gambler, that will be foolish.

The morale in this story is that people that condemns gambling should not judge, because it's not a crime to gamble. Although we have irresponsible gamblers, but then there are irresponsible people in every areas of life. So what do you think about the people that condemns gambling?

If you condemn gambling, keep your opinions personal to yourself and do not say it publicly for everyone to know so you do not sound foolish when you find yourself in this kind situation where you can make yourself a clown.

[Justbillywitt]

I've heard and seen people that condemns gambling, due to their religious believes, some because they think that gamblers are irresponsible people, while others are what they've heard about gambling addicts. This sets of people will tell you that gambling is sin, gamblers are people who wants to take shortcuts to riches and gamblers are not responsible or to be trusted with money.

But when trouble comes, that is the best time to judge people's characters, it's then that you will know whether they practice what they preach. So I'm wondering in a scenerio where people with these anti gambling believes and mindset finds themselves in a situation where they perhaps needed to save a life urgently and what is needed is money for quick surgery. And the only person that volunteered to give the money is someone that says he/she won the money in gambling, I wonder if the anti gambling person in dire need will collect the money.

The morale in this story is that people that condemns gambling should not judge, because it's not a crime to gamble. Although we have irresponsible gamblers, but then there are irresponsible people in every areas of life. So what do you think about the people that condemns gambling?

It's simple they are all hypocrites who are condeming people who are just living their lives. It's not even about life savings situations that will make them ask you for money. The moment they hear that you have won a substantial sum of money from gambling they will start calling you on the phone and sending you series of messages soliciting for financial assistance from you. They are only religious in their lips but they don't practice what they preach. I have been in several situations like this, when I am losing bets it's mine alone and you will hear several defaming words about you, but the moment you win money it becomes everybody money. Relatives who condemned the gambling habits will line up and be asking for money. Since my childhood I haven't seen anyone rejected money just because the money was won from gambling. So I don't think anyone will reject money from gambling at anytime.

[rahmad2nd]

"Can anti-gamblers accept cash from gamblers when they're in dire financial need"

Of course yes, but it all comes back to the recipient. The question is whether he is willing to receive donations or gifts from the proceeds of someone's gambling. the answers are very relative and varied, some are happy to accept it even though they know that the money was obtained from gambling winnings. quite a few are reluctant to accept it for reasons of their principles and beliefs. The point is, everything is possible. Moreover, if we talk about money, whether the source comes from, the name of the gift given or received is very sensitive. The question is, who really doesn't need money? well, I highly doubt it no one cares about money. I am speaking generally, not to certain people or groups. So related to your thread, the answer depends relatively on each person who needs it even if he is an anti-gambling person. but it doesn't rule out the possibility that if they are given money, even if they earn money from gambling, they won't hesitate to accept it. especially, like the story example in your post. Usually, when people are in an urgent situation, they will make various efforts including doing something extreme. especially if someone needs regular surgery, and the money he gets from donations from gambling winnings. Most likely, someone will receive it no matter the source of the money.

Now I ask again, what is the essence of what you posted in this thread?
After all, human behavior tends to change according to situations and conditions. It doesn't matter if someone condemns gambling, when he is in trouble and the only solution is to receive money from gambling. Psychologically, human beings, their beliefs will shake them with the pressure that befalls them. Well, actually this thread has nothing to do with games, betting or discussions related to games. but okay, at least we can discuss anything related to gambling.