Kicking/banning and or limiting a player for winning too much

[Casdinyard]

OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

Cause they see people who win in a setting where they expect everyone to lose as deviants to the system, and if they leave them alone they might run them dry and bankrupt their business, matter of fact that's basically their business model, to entice and invite as much losers as possible in order to earn more money. Think of it this way, you got yourself an unli-buffalo chicken restaurant business and instead of making bank you're losing money because there's this one guy who's a competitive eater, who always eats more than the regular paying customer, for the same amount of money they fork out.

If I were to own a casino, I would impose such bans as well, disguise it as measures taken to prevent cheating, and then make sure that deviants who keep winning off of my games are kept out, so as to ensure that my business stays up.

Also would make sense for them to ban your friend cause from your story it seems like he was able to access an exploit or perhaps make bank off of a poorly-coded game that grants him all the wins he wants, and it could be the case that he could entice people into playing these particular games to make bank and earn off of it, which is bad for business.

[FatFork]

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

A business is a business. All casinos cap the wins to keep things going.  

There is nothing strange in that story with your friend. Something similar would happen at any other casino, except, as you said yourself, he should not have created a new account to bypass the restriction. This is a clear violation of the terms of use and they have every right to block his accounts. There's not much to complain about, unfortunately.

[mirakal]

Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.

Casino can never be in profits if someone is winning consistently, so it’s obvious that the casino will eventually make something about it, either to limit his bet or ban him for some time. And there’s nothing a bettor can do for that since the casino owner has the right to do everything on his own business. And please, saying to come back after 365 days is only an excuse, but to be honest, don’t count for that anymore. I find it taking your profits after a year will never be possible anymore, something that you can’t do nothing since you obviously go against with their TOS.

[Zoomic]

OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

Casino operators are in for business, if they allow customers to win without limits, they might go bankrupt. Is it not better to place such limits than allow customers to win and there's no money to pay them? I'll do same if I have a casino.The gambler deserves whatever punishment given to him for trying to play smart with the casino. This should discourage him and many others who deliberately try to use tricks on casinos.

I must say the gambler in question is really lucky with being too greedy. I was expecting the story to end at where he lost all the money he won to gambling again but it didn't happen anyway. Atleast, he still has a chance of withdrawing his winnings in one year time. He is a skilled but not-too-smart gambler.

[ampere]

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Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

In situations I have witnessed; a consistent winner in gambling setting, either sports betting or casino do not get banned; instead it is their staking power that gets reduced drastically.

By staking power I mean how much such gambler can bet per game on that platform. I want to believe it is constitutionally wrong to ban a player in a gambling website for just wining too much

[GideonGono]

OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

It is a business so you should know how to limit your loss, and also your friend should have read the sites TOS if it is against it to create multiple account.
I also think that these kind of incident doesn't only happen online but also in casinos, there are people who are ban for some reasons.

[Dewi Aries]

OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

That's really unfair, and I'm sure he gambled at a casino that has a bad reputation, and I would ask if there are measures to just make sure that it is a trusted casino by looking at its reputation first before he finally decides to bet at the casino? If not, then that's the consequence that we don't get justice when we are really lucky by getting a lot of lucky wins, even though the casino promises to pay it but if it takes a year to be able to cash out the winnings then I think a gambler will still feel disappointed.

On the other hand despite everything I think it is really a very concerning situation and surely he is very disappointed with the service of the casino, because the casino should behave fairly which is simply that if there is one gambler who has won a lot of consecutive wins then the casino should have a good responsibility to pay the gambler according to the amount won and at the right time without any delay in payment, especially in that case he did not commit any fraudulent acts at all. In conclusion, I think this incident can be used as a lesson for gamblers to first check the reputation of the casino to ensure that you are involved in a trusted casino.

[AmoreJaz]

That's really unfair, and I'm sure he gambled at a casino that has a bad reputation, and I would ask if there are measures to just make sure that it is a trusted casino by looking at its reputation first before he finally decides to bet at the casino? If not, then that's the consequence that we don't get justice when we are really lucky by getting a lot of lucky wins, even though the casino promises to pay it but if it takes a year to be able to cash out the winnings then I think a gambler will still feel disappointed.

On the other hand despite everything I think it is really a very concerning situation and surely he is very disappointed with the service of the casino, because the casino should behave fairly which is simply that if there is one gambler who has won a lot of consecutive wins then the casino should have a good responsibility to pay the gambler according to the amount won and at the right time without any delay in payment, especially in that case he did not commit any fraudulent acts at all. In conclusion, I think this incident can be used as a lesson for gamblers to first check the reputation of the casino to ensure that you are involved in a trusted casino.

I also don't think it will happen in big casinos like stake. And the amount was not so big either. So why use a small and not reputable one if you don't want to have issues like this, I am just assuming a small one. The OP said, he is a friend of his. Since he is promoting stake, why not introduce him to stake because this casino can handle huge amount of money. Just look at the amount Drake is betting on this site.

[Orpichukwu]

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

If I have a casino and I notice a particular user has been winning games without losing any single one, I will have to pay close attention to that user as such acts appear very suspicious and I need to look into them. I will then check if there is any special tool that he is using to manipulate the game and how he makes his game selection.
 
If I have done that, I see no difference in his method of bet from others. The only thing I will do in order for him not to send me out of business is to limit the amount he can wager and the amount that he can win on a single bet, but I'm not going to restrict him from playing in my casino; that will be unfair.

[yahoo62278]

A casinos goal is to make money. No other way to put it. If a player is always winning, they are not making anything from that player.

With that being said, it is my understanding that the providers are the ones limiting the player, not the casino.

Your "friend" should not try to bypass a casinos terms no matter what the situation is. Start betting different sports or something, but never make a new account to bypass limits.

[freedomgo]

Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.

I my opinion, a casino being happy that you as a gambler is making losses rather than wins is a relative analysis in the sense that if a gambler is losses not only is he running at a loss, but the casino as well as other gamblers are trailing towards a win. The reason is quite simple. It is also from the losses of some gamblers that the casino is able to fund the wins of some other gambler.
The whole stuff is also some sort of money circulation the fact is if casino is getting too frequent wins than losses that they are unable to manage , they would definitely run into loss and fold up. Likewise, if the gamblers are all losing they will end up stopping their gambling activities on that particular casino and if their are no customers the casino will also likely fold up.

The case that OP raised is quite different from a real casino game. It specifically concerns a sportsbook that accepts sports bets, and sportsbooks do not gamble against bettors; they only facilitate the bets that come from both sides. Their normal income comes from the juice, which is usually 10% and higher. Their job is just to balance the bets so they end up with a good commission.

Actually, other sportsbooks don't limit bets unless the bet is too huge. But for a $500 bet, I think they can balance that easily, as per game or action there are a lot of bettors betting on it, so it's easy for that amount to balance, and the casino would still earn an income regardless of the outcome of the game or even if a certain user keeps winning.

[Coyster]

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

When you're winning, the casino is losing, when you are losing, the casino is winning.

The thing is, they wouldn't limit you if you just win a couple of games, but if you are staking high amounts and winning continuously on the spin, they have no choice but to limit you to a certain amount, that way they reduce your payout if you win and their losses in the process. That being said, if you break any of their rules, you're going to be banned and the next action your friend took is against their rules, so he can't have too many complaints.

[FinneysTrueVision]

As unfair as it seems, casinos do have a right to ban players for winning too much. Even Dana White has complained about getting banned from several casinos because they didn’t want him to win too much.

In the case of your friend they weren’t banned for winning too much, they were banned for multi-accounting. They should have just waited until they removed the limits from his account instead of breaking the rules so he could make larger bets. If they were suspicious of him before, this would’ve just given them an excuse to ban him. They could have also kept his funds but they actually gave him an opportunity to withdraw in a year, which seems like a reasonable compromise.

[GreatArkansas]

Casinos limit a customer when they keep winning because they dislike them. In order to be loved by a casino, you need to be a loser; that's the simple logic behind it. They are running a business, and their interest is profit, so they'll limit someone who keeps winning. They have the right to do that since it's their casino, and they set their own rules.

What your friend did was wrong; it's called "multi-accounting," and that is against the TOS. They can forfeit the funds and ban the account. He is even lucky that he was given one year, but I doubt the casino is telling the truth as 1 year is too much, tell him don't expect anymore.

Exactly, these casinos have the right to kick someone or ban someone especially if they violate some rules.

But there are some casinos still have issues even you are not violating any rules, that's given, especially you are really winning and they hate you, it's kinda natural but very rare case for me.

[Yamifoud]

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

A good and reputable casino won't choose that option but rather give them freedom to gamble. But for some reason, this person would be in question for that scenario because it is not usual to see a gamble win many times for example in 3 wins every week or even winning every day. Without any possible cheating that is impossible and banning him/her may not be the best option but it will be considered especially when it shows suspicion.

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

Of course, it is business, and casinos prefer to see gamblers keep on losing rather than winning.

[AliMan]

As unfair as it seems, casinos do have a right to ban players for winning too much. Even Dana White has complained about getting banned from several casinos because they didn’t want him to win too much.

In the case of your friend they weren’t banned for winning too much, they were banned for multi-accounting. They should have just waited until they removed the limits from his account instead of breaking the rules so he could make larger bets. If they were suspicious of him before, this would’ve just given them an excuse to ban him. They could have also kept his funds but they actually gave him an opportunity to withdraw in a year, which seems like a reasonable compromise.

That's impractical for this online casino to do that on players, they're pushing potential customers aways to play on their gambling site. Yes we do understand that there's several instances that multi accounting really existed but to those that's confirmed doing so. Winning players should be provided with welfare and protected of his rights for his funds, because the day he/she lost many times doesn't pay off a rewards if I'm not mistaken.

[Wexnident]

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Wouldn't limiting them just kill the enthusiasm of the user? Sounds like a method to lose customers imo, especially if it wasn't in the ToS or something (e.g. after x amount won you can only bet y amount). Business-wise wise though I can see why, I mean they're basically losing money off of a single person. Pretty sure no business would want to see that and since the casino always has the right to ban someone (in their ToS usually) anytime as long as they have a valid reason (which they can just create), they can always kick someone out whenever they want to.

Whatever the actual case may be, as long as the casino is losing due to players, they'd probably do whatever to stop that, even if you're just one dude winning a bit of what they're earning lol.

[bakasabo]

From a legal point of view, business can not forbid customer to use or purchase their goods or services. IRL nobody can kick you from casino, shop or etc, if you are there during their working hours and havent violated any rule. As to limiting person in something, maybe only a sales person can do everything slowly and limit the amount of service or goods you are going to receive. But I dont know if this works for online business also. Legally, I dont think that casino can kick, ban or limit gambler online. But technically they can always do this and call it «during or for investigation». But from my point of view, this is wrong thing to do, as every customer must be treated identically.

[arwin100]

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

If I am the casino owner I will not do that if the costumer is winning since we can use this scenario to market our casino and make other people believe that its possible to win. That scenario can be use to market the casino and for sure lots of existing costumer or speculator would love to watch that scene.

Since if we limit a player because they are winning for sure this will backfire to us and provably that person will post against us. This could ruin our reputation then provably a lot of costumer will get discourage to gamble and this is when our business start to collapse.

If the casino limit or ban the user if they are winning to much that means the casino owner is total jerk and cannot be trusted. This indicate that we must avoid that casino since what they do is shady practices then this might give us a hint that in future this casino will turn into a scam.

[Fortify]

OK, so, sometime last week, a friend of mine got so lucky with his sports betting that he kept winning all his bets, he said himself that he wasnt even sure of some of the games he bets on but he somehow still won it, and according to him, after winning ten times in a row consecutively, the casino placed a limit on the amount of money he can bet in a game, he said he was betting around $500 or more each time, but after being limited, he can't bet more than $10, he got agree and decided to open another account on the same casino (his first mistake), then withdrew all the money on the first account, and deposited exactly the same amount on his second newly created account (his second mistake), and then placed his first bet, and when he came back to check, he discovered that both accounts has been banned, it turned out that immediately his bet on the second account won, the account was banned together with the first one, he's been talking with the casino customer care to atleast allow him withdraw his money, but they said they won't allow him access to the money until after 365 days, that this is a punishment for what he did, and because they don't want to forfiet his money, he must wait, and come back after one year to withdraw his money.

Now, I just want to ask us, if you own a casino, and a particularly customer is always winning, winning and winning, would you kick/ban the customer, or limit him or her?
And why please?

Why do casinos limit or ban a user when he or she is winning too much, but do not do the same when the user is losing too much as well?

This is basically part of the casino/bookmaker business model. Either by luck or talent, some players will be able to tease a profit out - this is probably only true when making sports bets. Maybe they have discovered a strategy that allows them to squeeze a small margin out and try to pump a lot of money into it to maximize their returns. If they are limited to $50 a bet but they only make a decent profit by placing $10k bets, then they will probably just move along to the next bookmaker to try it there. Bookmakers are not obliged to take any particular customer and they can choose to restrict their dealings if a customer is unprofitable to them. It's the same with any business really.