Am I right with the interpretation of this forum rule?

[Eternad]

Recently I saw this very active thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132720.8860 about Bitcoin holding. Most of the post in there is more on multiple quoted messages which is already looks like a wall.

I read the rules before about quote pyramid on the rule number 1 example quoted below.

1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

My question is am I right on the interpretation for the quote pyramid? Or is there a different meaning on that word. Please enlighten me with this rule.

[PX-Z]

Yes, that's right. You can see this guide too [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies).

Pyramid quotes should be avoided, if reported, mods will probably retain the last quoted post instead of the very source of the quote. This is also a problem in the gambling boards actually.

[Orpichukwu]

Pyramid quotes should be avoided, if reported, mods will probably retain the last quoted post instead of the very source of the quote. This is also a problem in the gambling boards actually.

Such kind of quoting is very common on the speculation board, especially on the mentioned thread (Buy the Dip and Hodl), and I don't even think anyone has the time to report those comments or if moderators have time to delete them. Before you can go straight to two pages on that Buy the Dip and Hodl, you will see such kind of quoting.

[Zlantann]

Whether an overquoting is relevant or not, it's still not welcome on the forum. And it is clearly stated in the forum rules. Such posts, which contain a pyramid of quotes, fall under point 1 of the forum rules. Please read carefully the note to point 1 of the forum rules.

This was a reply from a moderator when the same issue was brought up. This means over-quoting is not welcomed on the forum. However, you have the option to report to the moderator of the board to handle it.

Such kind of quoting is very common on the speculation board, especially on the mentioned thread (Buy the Dip and Hodl), and I don't even think anyone has the time to report those comments or if moderators have time to delete them. Before you can go straight to two pages on that Buy the Dip and Hodl, you will see such kind of quoting.

This behavior is born out of laziness or lack of understanding of the forum rules. These pyramid posts make reading difficult and can also lead to a high rate of spamming. It shouldn't be overlooked as a normal behavior because we all have the responsibility of keeping the forum clean, so you can report them to the mods to handle.

[Churchillvv]

Fortunately, I comment on that thread quite frequent not sure how frequent but I'm always reading things in that particular thread and I can remember vividly that I ones told or corrected some members about this pyramid quotes and after two or three pages of correction it turns out that they go back to it.

I don't know why people over there keeps repeating the same thing by quoting a whole long wall of text when they can just cut out the area they want to emphasize on, I guess it's because I'm of the same rank with most of them that is why they don't adhere to my advise maybe if someone of high rank corrected such mistakes it would have been taken serious.

Maybe I will have to try again and keep an eye on such mistakes regardless of whether it's effective or not.

[Upgrade00]

You are correct in your interpretation of the rule, but I can imagine the situation presents a dilemma for moderators. The posts quoted like that makes it very difficult to follow conversations making a thread almost unreadable, but the replies can also still be somewhat on topic so it doesn't count as spam.

It will be a heavy handed approach to delete all posts made that way but with no direct action the habit will continue and members will not bother to learn how to properly quote.

An approach that can work is if mods could temporarily ban members for 1 day. That's enough time to make them change their habit and not too long to cause too much harm to the user.

[SamReomo]

Yes, you're right about the quote pyramid and the thread you have mentioned is the best example of quote pyramid. There are some threads in gambling boards where you can see such quote pyramids and the ones who do that doesn't care much about that action.

I believe in such case I must mention that TSC is one of the members on this forum who has a very good style of posting and whenever he quotes any reply/post, he makes it short and quotes the useful text of that reply instead of quoting the whole reply. I truly like his quoting style and I try my best to follow a similar approach when quoting someone's post/reply.

[Stalker22]

It will be a heavy handed approach to delete all posts made that way but with no direct action the habit will continue and members will not bother to learn how to properly quote.

Mods can do more than just delete reported posts.  They can also edit stuff to take out too many quotes, which takes more effort but its their job.  

An approach that can work is if mods could temporarily ban members for 1 day. That's enough time to make them change their habit and not too long to cause too much harm to the user.

I agree that members who keep breaking rules should get more severe punishments.  Overall the mods need to put in the work to enforce rules, even if it takes longer.  Repeated rule-breaking should lead to real consequences, not just deleting posts. The users being lazy isnt a good reason to let them get away with it.  

[Upgrade00]

Mods can do more than just delete reported posts.  They can also edit stuff to take out too many quotes, which takes more effort but its their job.  

Yes they can and as you pointed out, it takes more effort. They'll spend a lot of time doing that in a thread with numerous quote walls. I've also noticed mods refrain from editing posts as much as they can.

[Overall the mods need to put in the work to enforce rules, even if it takes longer.  Repeated rule-breaking should lead to real consequences, not just deleting posts. The users being lazy isnt a good reason to let them get away with it.  

There is a rule on repeated spamming leading to a temporary ban and if continued, to a permanent ban eventually. I don't think that has been enforced during my time on the forum. A little more stringency may be needed, without going overboard of course.

[BlackBoss_]

My question is am I right on the interpretation for the quote pyramid?

Quote pyramid is not recommend but users won't be banned when they do pyramid quote. When they post like this, it shows they are lazy to trim quotes and it's favorite style of spammers.

Sometimes if you are not a spammer, it's hard for you to trim quote when you use mobile for texting, though if a user always does pyramid quote, it's a spammer.

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[mk4]

As far as I understand it, this is what a quote pyramid looks like:

And yes, it gives a lot of unnecessary clutter and somewhat destroys the experience for both the reader and the respondent hence why it's not allowed.

SELL SELL SELL

I agree

+1

Support

Watching

Interesting

LOL

SCAM

LEGIT

FAKE

[Mia Chloe]

Pyramidal quoting is regarded as spamming And besides that it can be very annoying sometimes, aside from the fact that it often looks like low quality posting, pyramidal quoting makes a post unnecessarily long making other forum members skip it instead of reading through it.

As a poster with some level of quality, you should make quotes individually if there are different things you wish to address. Instead of compressing the text of up to 5 users In a quote, you should quote and reply them individually though in the same post. If you observe you will notice that pyramidal quoting is common in mega threads where a user will quote someone who quoted 5 persons just to reply one of them, forgetting that the notification can be sometimes annoying especially when you are quoted for something that doesn't concern you.

[EarnOnVictor]

Recently I saw this very active thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132720.8860 about Bitcoin holding. Most of the post in there is more on multiple quoted messages which is already looks like a wall.

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My question is am I right on the interpretation for the quote pyramid? Or is there a different meaning on that word. Please enlighten me with this rule.

It's been a while since I read the forum rule in case there's an update, but I do not think that the pyramid quote rule was defined to the extent you are taking it. And the quotes in the links you attached are still minimal in my opinion. There are many well-experienced and reputable members quoting people this way and I quite understand the reason. Sometimes, it will be a missing piece if some users' quotes are not added to avoid missing the link in the communication to make it easily readable by any new reader. This kind of act is not peculiar to this forum but to all forums that I have witnessed. I am just saying this so that you will not misquote that "pyramid" context.

If you look at the pyramid itself where the term was coined, you would see that it is long and has a peculiar pattern/shape, and for me, those quote-in-quotes have not reached that view yet. It would have had many members reply to it in quotes to achieve that. But this is unlike the one you posted above, none of them looks like a pyramid to me. If you see a true pyramid caused by quotes, you will naturally know and I have seen a few on the forum before, especially in the gambling section of the forum.

In other words, if at all there is a break of the anti-pyramid rule of the forum, a few quotes like you posted above are not one of them. It has to be way longer and more annoying to break such a rule in my opinion. I hope you are enlightened as enquired.

[Alone055]

And the quotes in the links you attached are still minimal in my opinion. There are many well-experienced and reputable members quoting people this way and I quite understand the reason. Sometimes, it will be a missing piece if some users' quotes are not added to avoid missing the link in the communication to make it easily readable by any new reader. This kind of act is not peculiar to this forum but to all forums that I have witnessed. I am just saying this so that you will not misquote that "pyramid" context.

Minimal? I can clearly see people quoting more than 5 responses in the posts in that thread, and anything above 2 quotes would make it look odd and pyramid-like if you look at the top right corner of the quoted texts where each quote starts.

I also often see people quoting a lot of texts and then bolding a part of it and responding to it and I don't understand the logic behind that. If you are responding just to that part of the post, simply quote only that one and snip the remaining post to make it easier for the readers.

Most of the megathreads in any section are full of quote pyramids, and it's not surprising since mostly newbies and inexperienced people are found in such discussions apart from a few threads where you may find experienced forum users getting engaged in the discussion but most people would ignore megathreads, including myself.

[PX-Z]

Pyramidal quoting is regarded as spamming And besides that it can be very annoying sometimes.

It is actually annoying as always and not just sometimes, I tend to ignore those threads/reply regardless the content is. It is really a good habit to only quote the thoughts of the one you are replying to, not the whole post of the users, it might take time but it's good to look at and to read honestly. .

[Apocollapse]

I agree that members who keep breaking rules should get more severe punishments.  Overall the mods need to put in the work to enforce rules, even if it takes longer.  Repeated rule-breaking should lead to real consequences, not just deleting posts. The users being lazy isnt a good reason to let them get away with it.  

I really doubt with that.

The moderators are getting softer especially this year, after mixer has been banned and with users talk about the decline in activity, not many users get banned even though they evading ban or keep breaking the rules.

At least deleting post will not make the users leave this forum, probably this is what they thought.

[Coin_trader]

Pyramidal quoting is regarded as spamming And besides that it can be very annoying sometimes.

It is actually annoying as always and not just sometimes, I tend to ignore those threads/reply regardless the content is. It is really a good habit to only quote the thoughts of the one you are replying to, not the whole post of the users, it might take time but it's good to look at and to read honestly. .

Yeah, I don’t understand too the logic behind this pyramid quoting aside from laziness of the user doing it. It’s very hard to have decent conversation on a thread with that kind of overwhelming quoted post.

It’s a magic that they can still understand each other by posting a reply on a multiple quoted post from a multiple users that already have a mixed opinion on what they are discussing.

I typically just quote the post that I’m going to reply and remove the previous quote since that’s what I’m replying and not the whole conversation.

[Eternad]

Thanks for the confirmation reply everyone.

I’m just a bit dumbfounded to see that there’s a lot of persistent violators on this rule without any action from the mod especially that the user practicing this action are high rank and not a newbie that didn’t know what a proper post format.

Locking now the thread. I will be happy to unlock this if someone wants to add important input on the topic. Just PM me so that I can unlock it for you.