Some question about merit source to know.

[Crypto Library]

Today I just visited meta board and saw this topic and some old question in my mind araise once again that-
We know that forum has total 109 merit sources and as this info total Smerit generation of up to 32990  in a month. So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?
  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

[_act_]

-Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?
 

No, theymos distribute the smerits to merit sources differently.

-Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹

As long as the merit source is active on this forum, theymos will continue to give the merit source smerit. After long time of inactivity, theymos will remove the person from merit source.

[SamReomo]

Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?

No, I believe each merit source have differing number of sMerit generation per month. There are some merit sources who generate less sMerits while there are others who generate more sMerits. Only Theymos and those merit sources themselves know that how many sMerits they get per month.

Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹

No, merit sources are different from DT members because a merit source can stay at his/her position as long as he/she is helping others with those sMerits, he/she is active on this forum, and he/she doesn't break the rules of the forum.

There have been some merit sources in past who aren't merit sources anymore. If I'm not wrong then a few months ago Ratimov was a merit source too but now he isn't a merit source or reputed member of this forum. Similarly, there were a few other merit sources who left the forum and aren't merit sources anymore.

[Hazink]

So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?

According to this reply from @hugeblack, they are not the same. Each merit source received a different amount of merit on a monthly basis.

Most Merit sources^[1] came with an average of less than 300 sMerit per month, there are about 5-6 with around 1000 sMerit, and the rest are between 250 and 100 or less, some of them are inactive or active in local baords.

[Mia Chloe]

Today I just visited meta board and saw this topic and some old question in my mind araise once again that-
We know that forum has total 109 merit sources and as this info total Smerit generation of up to 32990  in a month. So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?
  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

All merit sources don't have equal smerits allocation. Technically I think the amount of smerits different merit sources get from their refill is quite fixed and the volume of smerits they get is actually fixed based on some predetermined factors like the allocation Theymos made for for each source depending on how much smerits they spend, and  how many boards they visit and distribute merits to. I think merit circulation is also relative to how much smerits sources get during each refill because if merit sources are giving out excess merits the merit system will get messed up so will ranking.

I think a merit source remains one forever except they choose to stop being one of which I have never come across since my time on the forum.

[tranthidung]

We know that forum has total 109 merit sources and as this info total Smerit generation of up to 32990  in a month.

These are current figures which are different than past ones and will be different in future.

 -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?

No.

Because if they have same source sMerit, their sent merit numbers would not be too different even they will have different active times in the forum to read, post or distribute sourced sMerit.

 -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

No. If they turn to be inactive, scam or abuse sourced sMerit, their merit source role will be removed by theymos. Removed positions can be replaced by theymos, or not, it depends on his view on stats of merit distributions over boards from forum data base.

Merit source observations
Chronological changes of top 200 merit receivers / senders since Jan 2018. Images are dead now, I have to update image links. Pay your attention on sent merit.

The intensity of sent merit transactions and number of sent merit increased in 2019 because of increase in monthly (30-days) sourced sMerit change from theymos on some merit sources. In contrast, some sources have drops because they turn to be less active in forum.

[Xal0lex]

 -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?

On the page with the list of merit sources, opposite each name is the number of merits they receive for distribution. Or is this information not displayed for regular users?

[Crypto Library]

On the page with the list of merit sources, opposite each name is the number of merits they receive for distribution. Or is this information not displayed for regular users?

Yes, it's not visible for the regular members of the forum may be you are seeing those stats because of you are a Staff Member. Normal users don't even know the names of all merit sources.
So far I have known the name of the merit source member only by looking at the ratio of sendable merit and earned merit using BPIP Extension.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

[fillippone]

Chronological changes of top 200 merit receivers / senders since Jan 2018. Images are dead now, I have to update image links. Pay your attention on sent merit.

Hey, long time no see  tranthidung!
What about updating your merits stats up to now? 2023 and 2024 are missing from your graphs.
This would be a nice thread to go through for a statistics junkie like yours truly merit rascal.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

No, I believe each merit source have differing number of sMerit generation per month. There are some merit sources who generate less sMerits while there are others who generate more sMerits. Only Theymos and those merit sources themselves know that how many sMerits they get per month.

Just chiming in here as a merit source (even though OP's already got his answer): yes, not all merit sources get the same monthly allocation of sMerits.  Last I knew I was tied with one or more sources for the highest amount, though that might not be the case anymore.  Either way, it was because I kept requesting a bigger stash since I kept running low each month and monthly allocation isn't for bragging rights and isn't why I mentioned it. 

In fact, I could probably do with a lower number of sMerits each month right now as I've ended my post history review offer.  Maybe Theymos could give me 400/month with the remainder going to a new merit source, and preferably one who could cover a local board.  Theymos himself might not see this post, but perhaps a sympathetic moderator will.  I'm still trying to be active, but I'm sure I've got too many sMerits to unload each month.

Being a MS....a job you both love and hate to have at times.

[tranthidung]

Hey, long time no see  tranthidung!

Me too!

What about updating your merits stats up to now? 2023 and 2024 are missing from your graphs.
This would be a nice thread to go through for a statistics junkie like yours truly merit rascal.

I appreciated your support for my thread (in the past).

I am sure will give you update next several weeks (perhaps 1 or 2 weeks). Weeks ago, eventually I figured out ways to import data from loyce club that will help me to run that script again, but with 4 additional years, I will not use my previous script, have to adjust it and add some new ideas too.

The new thread will not like weekly update by perhaps will be updated quarterly.

[Pmalek]

member election?

Several members answered your first two questions, but not that many focused on this one.
There are no elections for merit sources. What I mean is, there isn't a voting system where you have candidates and you vote for those who should have that responsibility. We don't know what happens in the staff quarters, but I doubt they have a voting system there. Perhaps they talk about it like "I am going to make X, Y, Z new merit sources, do you guys agree?", but I don't think there is more than that.

Even though there aren't elections, you have probably noticed threads with merit source applications. Trusted members can apply to become merit sources and then everyone is free to share their opinion about it. The admins could look at that feedback before deciding YES or NO if they want to.

[SamReomo]

In fact, I could probably do with a lower number of sMerits each month right now as I've ended my post history review offer.

I believe you deserve to get the number of sMerits that you're getting already because you have been a very generous merit source and most members appreciate your generosity including me. With your post review offer you've helped so many deserving members with your sMerits and I'm very sure each of those members wholeheartedly appreciate that.

I know that now you have closed that offer but still I believe you are someone who send merits to all those posts which are merit worthy posts. I truly respect you for whatever you do, and it's great to read your this post because it cleared some doubts of the members about the number of sMerits a merit source gets. I hope in future you may help the deserving members with merits even if that offer remains inactive.

[AVE5]

Today I just visited meta board and saw this topic and some old question in my mind araise once again that-
We know that forum has total 109 merit sources and as this info total Smerit generation of up to 32990  in a month. So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?
  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

I've not been too conversant with the meta board as well. I  literally can't detail so about merit sources as you just did but if I can get involved with my little ideal on your question, I think merits are generated from the same source and which is then allocated to each merit source forum member to distribute the merits accordingly.
The Merit source forum member who distributes the merits to the deserved quality posts are usually reputable users who has gained a lot of trusts while participating in the forum. It's usually by personal delegate then the aurhory probably to the recognition of Thymos would approve a suitable candidate for it.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

-Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?

I don't think so base on my understanding, every merit source has his own monthly allocation rate which may differ from each other, if am right.

  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

I don't think its a lifetime source, but as long as the source keep to the ethics for the fare distribution of the smerits received, there wont be issue on that, also, i perceived of recent, we have a drop in number of the merit sources by one, and we still have an additional member who got confirmed to be a merit source as well, nothing is permanent in life.

[EarnOnVictor]

So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?
  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

In my understanding drawn from what I have read from many merits sources in many threads, they do not have the same smerit allocation, and some users' monthly smerits could be so much while others could be annoyingly low. The reason is best known to theymos, but upon request with evidence of usage of the ones you were given, I think he can adjust the allocation based on his discretion.

As for being a lifetime merit source, I think it is possible if you maintain a good membership/reputation and do not renege from the reason why you were given. But of course, if you are no longer active on the forum, what is your worth? For this, such a user's merit source status may be withdrawn.

There are other offences which may not be plain that could cost users their merit source status as well. So it could be slightly similar to that of the DTs but not as rampant as them.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

In fact, I could probably do with a lower number of sMerits each month right now as I've ended my post history review offer.

I believe you deserve to get the number of sMerits that you're getting already because you have been a very generous merit source and most members appreciate your generosity including me. With your post review offer you've helped so many deserving members with your sMerits and I'm very sure each of those members wholeheartedly appreciate that.

Gaaah!!  Thanks for all the compliments, but lately I've been such a lazy-ass merit source and feel incredibly guilty because of said laziness.  The position of merit source is strictly a voluntary one of course, and I could easily just tell Theymos I don't want to be one anymore....but I vividly remember the days before the merit system came into existence and I know how important it became in slaying account farmers who had god-knows-how-many alt accounts making zero-value posts all over the place and in general making it much harder for shitposters to rank up, thereby disincentivizing them from even trying.

So I'm happy to help worthy members rank up.  It's just that when I'm browsing through threads, most of the posts I'd consider merit-worthy are being made by Legendary members.  Don't know if anyone else agrees with that, but I guess everyone has different standards.

By the way, it isn't a question of whether I 'deserve' my monthly allocation of sMerits; it's a matter of whether I can unload all of them each month, and lately I haven't been doing that.  I will strive to do better.

[Smartvirus]

So I'm happy to help worthy members rank up.  It's just that when I'm browsing through threads, most of the posts I'd consider merit-worthy are being made by Legendary members.  Don't know if anyone else agrees with that, but I guess everyone has different standards.

By the way, it isn't a question of whether I 'deserve' my monthly allocation of sMerits; it's a matter of whether I can unload all of them each month, and lately I haven't been doing that. I will strive to do better.

As a beneficiary from the times you did reviews, I would say you were instrumental to my scaling the ranks and was very open to everyone that applied at some point.

Am sure a lot of users would have felt a bit uneasy when you announced on your having to stop the reviews but, it’s understandably so. One can only imagine just how many of those pms that were coming in, how much you’ve got to read and what judgments you’ve got to give. I don’t see anything easy about that but, you did your bit and touched the accounts of many here.

Needless to say, you deserve a break from all that work and having to review logs of posts on several accounts. As one of the active merit source on the forum, I hope you don’t hand-in your position some day. Stay true Chymist.


OP, am sure you get your answers already. Nothing is permanent on the forum, even bans are subject to reviews in recent times!

[SamReomo]

Gaaah!!  Thanks for all the compliments

It's a pleasure to tell the truth and all complainants about you came from core of my heart. I really respect you and try my best to follow you and read most of your posts. You're among those members whom I respect so much and I'm very fortunate that we belong to same profession in practical life!

but lately I've been such a lazy-ass merit source and feel incredibly guilty because of said laziness.

No brother, you have never been lazy as a merit source, in fact I believe you have been doing very well all this time. You're the only merit source who not only send merits to good posts but with your post history review thread you've helped other members to improve their posting quality.

I was pretty weak at quoting other members posts and I used to quote wall of texts, but after your suggestions and reading your posts I tried my best to follow the way you quote others posts, and now my posts look better.

So I'm happy to help worthy members rank up.  It's just that when I'm browsing through threads, most of the posts I'd consider merit-worthy are being made by Legendary members. 

Yes, you've been dong that and to be honest, you've helped many worthy members to rank up as a merit source. Yes, it's true that majority of good posts are made by Legendary members but there are some ranking members who also try their best to make good quality posts and merit sources like you are helping those members with sMerits.

[AVE5]

So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?
  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

In my understanding drawn from what I have read from many merits sources in many threads, they do not have the same smerit allocation, and some users' monthly smerits could be so much while others could be annoyingly low. The reason is best known to theymos, but upon request with evidence of usage of the ones you were given, I think he can adjust the allocation based on his discretion.

As for being a lifetime merit source, I think it is possible if you maintain a good membership/reputation and do not renege from the reason why you were given. But of course, if you are no longer active on the forum, what is your worth? For this, such a user's merit source status may be withdrawn.

There are other offences which may not be plain that could cost users their merit source status as well. So it could be slightly similar to that of the DTs but not as rampant as them.

True, sMerits are allocated to merit sources based on the scalabilties and the efforts of members in a particular board which merit source is situated upon to spread sMerits base on the  effort ness thriving of members quality posts which is prioritized to the goal of the platform.
And being a sMerit source can be determined by members reputations the effort ness being contributed also prioritizing of the primary aim of the forum. So, if a reputable member deviates from his Worth in the forum, the trust in the sMerits source can be withdrawn from him.
In as much time forum isn't a personal owned firm and not a government firm to say we can always stay here until retirement or doing how we want, trust can always be declined on any negative attitudes of members.