Some question about merit source to know.

[Majestic-milf]

Gaaah!!  Thanks for all the compliments, but lately I've been such a lazy-ass merit source and feel incredibly guilty because of said laziness.  The position of merit source is strictly a voluntary one of course, and I could easily just tell Theymos I don't want to be one anymore....but I vividly remember the days before the merit system came into existence and I know how important it became in slaying account farmers who had god-knows-how-many alt accounts making zero-value posts all over the place and in general making it much harder for shitposters to rank up, thereby disincentivizing them from even trying.

Well, I don't think @Samreomo is just laying compliments, it's the truth. Although I've been a beneficiary to some of the merit sources we know, but I think if there were a chart made for highest number of merits from a merit source, you would be topping that chart.

So I'm happy to help worthy members rank up.  It's just that when I'm browsing through threads, most of the posts I'd consider merit-worthy are being made by Legendary members.  Don't know if anyone else agrees with that, but I guess everyone has different standards.

By the way, it isn't a question of whether I 'deserve' my monthly allocation of sMerits; it's a matter of whether I can unload all of them each month, and lately I haven't been doing that.  I will strive to do better.

For me, there are actually quality posters who aren't legendary members but may not be so consistent and as such it could make you a bit confused. I remember going through a thread where someone said the gambling section needs merit sources too because inasmuch as there are spammers there, good posters can also be found but the thing is most of these sources may not have the time to start searching. You could decide to unload your smerits there.

[_BlackStar]

For me, there are actually quality posters who aren't legendary members but may not be so consistent and as such it could make you a bit confused.

Legendary tend to speak/ post based on their experience and knowledge - that's more meaningful than the average user who is trying to build an account and earn merit from here and there. So it's true that more experienced user who rank highly have more meaningful quality posts than others - but I'm also not generalizing them all to be the same.

The posting quality standards for each merit source are very different. They can sometimes consider posts like mine to be quality because they contain elements of argument, facts, or so on. Some of these others are ordinary posts that are of no use being given merit even if your rank is Legendary.

I remember going through a thread where someone said the gambling section needs merit sources too because inasmuch as there are spammers there, good posters can also be found but the thing is most of these sources may not have the time to start searching.

There are several merit source on the gambling board - but more often than not they distribute the merit on specific thread. The main problem is probably the quality standard of the posts - I mean, they really struggle to find good posters in the many thread that already have hundreds to thousand of page.

[Justbillywitt]

For me, there are actually quality posters who aren't legendary members but may not be so consistent and as such it could make you a bit confused.

Legendary tend to speak/ post based on their experience and knowledge - that's more meaningful than the average user who is trying to build an account and earn merit from here and there. So it's true that more experienced user who rank highly have more meaningful quality posts than others - but I'm also not generalizing them all to be the same.

The posting quality standards for each merit source are very different. They can sometimes consider posts like mine to be quality because they contain elements of argument, facts, or so on. Some of these others are ordinary posts that are of no use being given merit even if your rank is Legendary.

What you are saying is nothing but the truth, there are some certain things in life that comes with age and experience. There things you will never understand until you get to certain age and level in life. Here in this forum account ranks is what show how long and how dedicated someone has been in this forum. There are many threads that Legendary Members come across and have learnt from and contributed on that new members can't easily access. Most lower ranked members don't usually have the time to go and read those threads to enhance their knowledge only few does dedicate their time to go in search of these threads and go through them. Getting to a legendary rank is no easy thing I must confess, so there is a clear difference in their posts when compared with that of a lower ranked members, no matter how knowledgeable the lower ranked members are. Just like you have rightly sated lower ranked members has many things distracting them and one of it is growing their account to a higher rank.

[fillippone]

By the way, it isn't a question of whether I 'deserve' my monthly allocation of sMerits; it's a matter of whether I can unload all of them each month, and lately I haven't been doing that.  I will strive to do better.

if you are struggling, and you think it might be useful for you, you can join me trying to deplete my backlog of posts in my thread:

[Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed

if you fancy having a bunch of self-submitted "good posts", please go on!

[Z_MBFM]

Today I just visited meta board and saw this topic and some old question in my mind araise once again that-
We know that forum has total 109 merit sources and as this info total Smerit generation of up to 32990  in a month.

Merit courses are tasked with distributing some merit to quality posts on the forums every month, that can motivated the quality poster and all merit sources fulfill their responsibilities.

So questions is-
  -Are all merit sources have same smerit generation?

Theymos gives Smerit to all Merit Sources accounts at a certain time every month. again to distribute merit for that month. We know that for every 2 merits received, 1 Smerit is auto generated, but distributed Smerits to  merit sources are  by Theymos.

  -Another question is once a merit source can be a lifetime merit source?  Or is it also pick and drop system like DT¹
    member election?

Once someone is a merit source, he is not a source for lifetime. Merit source list is updated every month. If a merit source is inactive in the forum for a long time or does not distribute the Smerit given to him, then he is removed from the list of merit sources.

[Halab]

Once someone is a merit source, he is not a source for lifetime. Merit source list is updated every month. If a merit source is inactive in the forum for a long time or does not distribute the Smerit given to him, then he is removed from the list of merit sources.

Oh boy...
For example, this user is on the 109 Merit Sources list since 2019 and is still there. And there are others like him. So we can conclude that it's better not to write something when you don't know much about it.

[_BlackStar]

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Oh boy...
For example, this user is on the 109 Merit Sources list since 2019 and is still there. And there are others like him. So we can conclude that it's better not to write something when you don't know much about it.

Halab - thank you. If you never told - then maybe I never knew that @baba0000000000 is one of merit source appointed since 2019. Based on the merit information - this user has spent 258 merit so far and received 288 merit. From the merit gap you receive and spend - then it is clear that he is one of the merit source on the list. @baba0000000000 has been inactive since September 19, 2019 and has not spent any more sMerit since then. But the question is - why doesn't the admin replace it with another user?

[uchegod-21]

Once someone is a merit source, he is not a source for lifetime. Merit source list is updated every month. If a merit source is inactive in the forum for a long time or does not distribute the Smerit given to him, then he is removed from the list of merit sources.

Oh boy...
For example, this user is on the 109 Merit Sources list since 2019 and is still there. And there are others like him. So we can conclude that it's better not to write something when you don't know much about it.

The audacity some people use to give information they are not sure about is alarming. That person isn't a staff or moderator and neither is he a merit, but he gave out wrong information with so much confidence.

Halab - thank you. If you never told - then maybe I never knew that @baba0000000000 is one of merit source appointed since 2019. Based on the merit information - this user has spent 258 merit so far and received 288 merit. From the merit gap you receive and spend - then it is clear that he is one of the merit source on the list. @baba0000000000 has been inactive since September 19, 2019 and has not spent any more sMerit since then. But the question is - why doesn't the admin replace it with another user?

Take it this way;
Whether he is replaced or not doesn't really matter. There's no definite number of merit sources to do the job. Theymos can decide to use lesser or higher number of merit sources. The emphasis is on how much merits is in circulation and not who are those circulating them.

[PX-Z]

Whether he is replaced or not doesn't really matter. There's no definite number of merit sources to do the job. Theymos can decide to use lesser or higher number of merit sources. The emphasis is on how much merits is in circulation and not who are those circulating them.

It does matter, for what purpose the inactive merit source be still in the list if they cannot do the job, nothing. There are a lot of merit sources application ^{(and many more to mention)} that deserves in the list. I don't know what reason theymos is holding on that inactive sources but it doesn't make any sense more particularly if they are inactive on such very long time.

[Jewan420]

Theymos gives Smerit to all Merit Sources accounts at a certain time every month. again to distribute merit for that month. We know that for every 2 merits received, 1 Smerit is auto generated, but distributed Smerits to  merit sources are  by Theymos.

How true is the sentence 'sMerit is distributed to the source of merit by Themos'?

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

According to Themos, there are some users who are designated as Merit Sources, who generate a certain amount of Merit every month without doing anything. He is not interested in publishing the list of those users.

So, Themos is a person who has been nominated as a Merit Source, who has been in 109 Merit Sources since 2019. It is wrong to give merit to account in other merit sources by him.

[Z_MBFM]

Once someone is a merit source, he is not a source for lifetime. Merit source list is updated every month. If a merit source is inactive in the forum for a long time or does not distribute the Smerit given to him, then he is removed from the list of merit sources.

Oh boy...
For example, this user is on the 109 Merit Sources list since 2019 and is still there. And there are others like him. So we can conclude that it's better not to write something when you don't know much about it.

sorry for my mistake. It seems that I have known something wrong all along. I now know the correct information. Thanks for pointing out your mistake. and special thanks to know us a information then @baba0000000000 is a merit source. coz i think mamy users like me don't know about this..

Once someone is a merit source, he is not a source for lifetime. Merit source list is updated every month. If a merit source is inactive in the forum for a long time or does not distribute the Smerit given to him, then he is removed from the list of merit sources.

Oh boy...
For example, this user is on the 109 Merit Sources list since 2019 and is still there. And there are others like him. So we can conclude that it's better not to write something when you don't know much about it.

The audacity some people use to give information they are not sure about is alarming. That person isn't a staff or moderator and neither is he a merit, but he gave out wrong information with so much confidence.

Halab has already proved me wrong so I think your further discussion on this point is unfounded. I think you want to get some credit yourself by criticizing 

[Faisal2202]

Being a MS....a job you both love and hate to have at times.

Do you guys get paid or not 🙄

There are no elections for merit sources. What I mean is, there isn't a voting system

You are right, but still, I have observed that whenever a new person applies for a merit source job, a lot of local members and reputed members like most of the DT1 members (if the applicant is good) support his/her application by replying in the application thread. They write good words about him. I always thought they were doing it to change the mind of the admin or either make up his mind.

So I'm happy to help worthy members rank up.  It's just that when I'm browsing through threads, most of the posts I'd consider merit-worthy are being made by Legendary members.  Don't know if anyone else agrees with that, but I guess everyone has different standards.

That's a clue for us 🧐 Now I will be observing threads created by legendaries to idealize what posts they are making that you think are merit-worthy. Haha Just kidding. I know we should not create posts for the sake of merits only.

[Pmalek]

You are right, but still, I have observed that whenever a new person applies for a merit source job, a lot of local members and reputed members like most of the DT1 members (if the applicant is good) support his/her application by replying in the application thread. They write good words about him. I always thought they were doing it to change the mind of the admin or either make up his mind.

Sure, but we have no idea if that helps and what criteria theymos considers when he appoints new merit sources. If positive comments and support can help and the community feels like the user deserves to become a merit source, they will write their opinions. But I am sure you have noticed there are many applications of users who never got appointed to become merit sources, at least not to our knowledge, and then there are those among us who became merit sources without even applying.

[skarais]

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Sure, but we have no idea if that helps and what criteria theymos considers when he appoints new merit sources. If positive comments and support can help and the community feels like the user deserves to become a merit source, they will write their opinions. But I am sure you have noticed there are many applications of users who never got appointed to become merit sources, at least not to our knowledge, and then there are those among us who became merit sources without even applying.

I admit, the support provided by the community regardless of position (DT, merit source, or regular user) does not have much influence on the admin's decision to appoint a new merit source. The admin definitely has his own criteria for selecting who meets the requirements and who is still in the consideration stage, but I know that many applications are still pending at this time. What is clear is that the community will only support it if they think the user's application deserves to be considered and appointed as a new merit source.

[notocactus]

According to Themos, there are some users who are designated as Merit Sources, who generate a certain amount of Merit every month without doing anything. He is not interested in publishing the list of those users.

You did not understand theymos' writings.

There are forum members who are assigned as merit sources but they don't generate monthly merit. Theymos code and distribute sourced merit to merit sources with a cap of 30-month sourced merit for each merit source. It will be filled in cumulatively in 30 days for each merit source.

So, Themos is a person who has been nominated as a Merit Source, who has been in 109 Merit Sources since 2019.

I believe theymos is not nominated himself as merit source. In early days, there are merit sources who receive PMs from theymos like forum staffs, some prominent members who contributed to fight against spam in 2017 like The Sceptical Chymist, actmyname.

First you don't understand writing of theymos.
Second your sentence is broken.
Lastly you did not share accurate information.

One year anniversary of merit system
Merit source observations

[_BlackStar]

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Take it this way;
Whether he is replaced or not doesn't really matter. There's no definite number of merit sources to do the job. Theymos can decide to use lesser or higher number of merit sources.

Of course that is up to theymos - but this will be important if for example the Nigerian local board or other active local board lack more merit distribution. If this wasn't important - then I would never get some users applying to be merit source.

The emphasis is on how much merits is in circulation and not who are those circulating them.

Then you will definitely get some users spend 3 to 5 merit on posts that have no value or lack of value. It would also increase the number of merit in circulation - perhap due to compatriot, brother and sister, husband, wive, relative or something like that.

[uchegod-21]

Whether he is replaced or not doesn't really matter. There's no definite number of merit sources to do the job. Theymos can decide to use lesser or higher number of merit sources. The emphasis is on how much merits is in circulation and not who are those circulating them.

It does matter, for what purpose the inactive merit source be still in the list if they cannot do the job, nothing. There are a lot of merit sources application ^{(and many more to mention)} that deserves in the list. I don't know what reason theymos is holding on that inactive sources but it doesn't make any sense more particularly if they are inactive on such very long time.

Let me give you an example...
If theymos wants 1000 merits to be in circulation, using 10 merit sources can mean that each merit source has 100 merits allocation. If one of the 10 merit sources becomes inactive, it is left for theymos to replace him or increase the merits of one of the remaining 9 merit sources to 200. Or he will decide to increase the allocation of the remaining 9 by let's say 10. I hope you understand my analysis. If theymos is not accepting new merit source applications, it means he has a way of dealing with it that we don't know.

Then you will definitely get some users spend 3 to 5 merit on posts that have no value or lack of value. It would also increase the number of merit in circulation - perhap due to compatriot, brother and sister, husband, wive, relative or something like that.

Every system has its backlash, what you described above is already happening and we should just see it as a deficiency of the merit system.