There's enough merits, if hoarders aren't selfish.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

[Hatchy]

There was never any connections between the two terms and right bow, I'm still trying to understand the usefulness of this thread. Merits sources are given smerits by the admin and their job is to keep the merit flow of the forum balanced by distributing smerits to worthy posts. For those hoarding their smerits, no one can force them to distribute it as they have control of it and can choose to or not to send them out it's their business and not that of anyone. There will still be enough merit flowing in the forum even when they decide to hoard theirs so no loss.

[_act_]

Most people are sending the smerits they have to posts, only few people are hoarding smerits. Some of them are not very active on this forum than to see some questions and answer them.

Or do you mean that there are some merit sources that are hoarding smerits? You can report them to theymos if you notice that. Theymos will likely reduce their merit allocation or remove them. Theymos like merit source who makes use of the smerits he is sending them.

[Cryptoprincess101]

If I get you correctly you are talking about those that have SMerits in their profile but are not distributing it to posts they find of good quality. It is a bad practice to hoard SMerits when they can just easily come across good quality posts in the forum and gives them merit though every one is at liberty to choose between spending their smerits or not but for merit sources it is supposed to be done without hoarding it because the reason why we have merit sources is for distribution of merit in the forum so if a merit source refuses to spend their merit allocation then it is just an act of selfishness and wickedness because they don't even own those SMerits except they distribute them to other profiles.

[I_Anime]

Well I understand your point and all that. But I guessed everyone with their own choices on how to use their smerit , but still the truth is that to hoard smerit ain't right actually. But must people literally choose to reduce the way they give merit so that they won't implicate themselves, because most people are fond of that , abusing the use of merit.

But still the merit sources are doing a great job when it comes to keeping  the merit flow of the forum balanced by distributing smerits to worthy posts, Just as Hatchy said. So I don't literally think we should  concerned ourselves with things like this  , let's just keep posting our quality post. And eventually I believe merit will surely come expecially from merit sources and other users that found your post merit worthy.

[AmaGold70]

From my research in the forum there are 109 merit source and users receive merits on their posts if it's worth it so I honestly think that merit source are doing a great job from the distribution I've seen so far (the ones I know though) and even if any one or most of them decide to hoard his smerits, there still will be enough merits going round the forum. yes there's enough merits so even if hoarders wants to be selfish there are users receiving it and it's going round.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.msg64155534#msg64155534

[letteredhub]

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

Whenever the issue of merit is discussed the popular opinions are that it's in the discretion and choice of the user to decide to decide who and when to release his S'merit to. Do why and where is the word hoarding  now emanating from if it's in that way as popular opinions has it?

Merit should are the ones that can be charged with merit hoarding because that the very purpose they serve "merits distribution" to quality posts, and am sure they have been up and doing on that.

[Cryptomultiplier]

If I get you correctly you are talking about those that have SMerits in their profile but are not distributing it to posts they find of good quality. It is a bad practice to hoard SMerits when they can just easily come across good quality posts in the forum and gives them merit though every one is at liberty to choose between spending their smerits or not but for merit sources it is supposed to be done without hoarding it because the reason why we have merit sources is for distribution of merit in the forum so if a merit source refuses to spend their merit allocation then it is just an act of selfishness and wickedness because they don't even own those SMerits except they distribute them to other profiles.

My point exactly, because even with the reduced number of merit sources, we have those who have enough Smerits in store and are either waiting for familiar accounts or waiting for an account that would quote exactly the source of their information before they are forced to release or allocate the merit deserving of the post or comment.
I see it as a bad practice because this is a community that should encourage growth and prosperity and the fact that the merit is limited for now should be a very good reason why being selfish with the Smerits we have is a violation of the ethics of this Bitcointalk forum.

[BitMaxz]

I don't think they're selfish

If you were talking about the sMerit source then they are likely looking for worthy posts to distribute the merit it doesn't mean they're selfish it is just a nature of this forum to avoid spam but if you think they are selfish because you don't get merit from the quality post you made just ignore them they have their own reason why they don't send merit to your post, sometimes some merit source have favoritism but not all.

If you were talking about individuals who have sMerit we have different reasons why we hoard sMerit I am not selfish but I am distributing it to those I know worthy and rarely give it newbies as we know multi-accounts are very common here on the forum that is why I let merit sources decide about them.

I don't know your reasons for creating this topic, but if you feel sMerit source is selfish because one of your quality posts didn't get any merit, why not inform them about your post? Sometimes they just miss those posts which is why they created a thread like this "Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source".

[Cryptomultiplier]

I don't think they're selfish

If you were talking about the sMerit source then they are likely looking for worthy posts to distribute the merit it doesn't mean they're selfish it is just a nature of this forum to avoid spam but if you think they are selfish because you don't get merit from the quality post you made just ignore them they have their own reason why they don't send merit to your post, sometimes some merit source have favoritism but not all.

If you were talking about individuals who have sMerit we have different reasons why we hoard sMerit I am not selfish but I am distributing it to those I know worthy and rarely give it newbies as we know multi-accounts are very common here on the forum that is why I let merit sources decide about them.

I don't know your reasons for creating this topic, but if you feel sMerit source is selfish because one of your quality posts didn't get any merit, why not inform them about your post? Sometimes they just miss those posts which is why they created a thread like this "Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source".

I don't really have reasons as to why I created this post, but  just stating a possible reason why many of us aren't getting the deserved merit for our contribution despite the fact that we present and it is of concern to the newbies too, although I can't ignore the fact many newbies are just alt accounts created to fill the void, but the truth remains that, we should try to encourage good contributions to this forum irrespective of the class or origin of country, so as to ensure growth and development and call for good initiatives that will help the Bitcoin family at large.

[acroman08]

I don't really have reasons as to why I created this post, but  just stating a possible reason why many of us aren't getting the deserved merit for our contribution
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if you think a post or a thread is high quality enough and deserves merit/s(may it be yours or other people's) you can try and share it on merit "giveaway" threads. merit sources cannot see every post on the forum so it is inevitable that they may miss posts that deserve merits. also, a post deserving a merit can be subjective, you may think that it deserves merit but others don't.

[reagansimms]

The difference is very big between the two, sMerit hoarders and Merit Source can never be combined even though they both have sMerit. Merit Source which is trusted by the Admin, has generosity in keeping the merit flow running. Merit Source has its own way of distributing Merit to posts that are considered quality. Some of the Merit Sources open Thread services to facilitate forum users to submit quality posts to make it easier for them to find quality posts that they have missed. While sMerit hoarders are a bit selfish because they have no intention of distributing the sMerits they get from the generosity of other members in appreciating their posts, even though no one can force them to send sMerits and have full control over these sMerits, this action is still not justified because there is no point in hoarding them.

[Cryptoprincess101]

If I get you correctly you are talking about those that have SMerits in their profile but are not distributing it to posts they find of good quality. It is a bad practice to hoard SMerits when they can just easily come across good quality posts in the forum and gives them merit though every one is at liberty to choose between spending their smerits or not but for merit sources it is supposed to be done without hoarding it because the reason why we have merit sources is for distribution of merit in the forum so if a merit source refuses to spend their merit allocation then it is just an act of selfishness and wickedness because they don't even own those SMerits except they distribute them to other profiles.

My point exactly, because even with the reduced number of merit sources, we have those who have enough Smerits in store and are either waiting for familiar accounts or waiting for an account that would quote exactly the source of their information before they are forced to release or allocate the merit deserving of the post or comment.
I see it as a bad practice because this is a community that should encourage growth and prosperity and the fact that the merit is limited for now should be a very good reason why being selfish with the Smerits we have is a violation of the ethics of this Bitcointalk forum.

Sorry but there is nothing like violation to the principles of the merit system if a user refuses to merit other profiles with their smerits so just like I said that it is a bad practice that is just what it is. Sometime ago I created a topic on merit decay where I asked to know why some users decides to hoard their smerits when they can easily decay in the future before I got to know that merit doesn't decay but it is not wise to keep it for too long without distributing them to quality posts in the forum.

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Basically, just like Theymos explained here every profile with Merit apart from the ones that benefited from the airdropped merit when the merit system was introduced newly was given in order for them to remerit other profiles since a sendable merit is generated in every 2 merit sent to a profile

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

Theymos motive of creating the merit system was "mainly" to increase post quality just like he stated here and also to help users increase their ranks accordingly because no body will be happy to remain stagnated in one rank except those that have already achieved the legendary rank but even though they have achieved legendary ranks but there is still need for their posts to gain merits because before you achieve a legendary rank means that you have spent a lot of time in the forum and are capable of making high quality posts though not all legendary do make quality posts, some of them were just lucky to gain legendary ranks from airdropped merits and that is the gospel truth.

Furthermore just like Theymos said, meriting a post also differentiate it from other posts because of the quality of the contents in it.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Here Theymos is also encouraging users to award merit to quality posts and not to hoard it.

In conclusion, Theymos created the merit system to improve post quality and also to encourage users to know that they are making good contributions to the forum and become motivated when their merit increases with their activity and their ranks increase so it is the duty of everyone to make sure they spend their smerits on quality posts just like same way other users finds your post worthy of meriting and gave them so "one good turn deserves another" when people merit your quality posts also do well to merit others quality posts.

[GeorgeJohn]

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

It's quite right that have a difference, actually a merit sources have a expiration of Smerit allocated directly to him for monthly distribution, why ordinary users who earn merit on its own Smerit merit remains until when he decides to distribute its merit to anybody, this question is well understood but people did not understand that much on what you are navigating at.

Most people are sending the smerits they have to posts, only few people are hoarding smerits. Some of them are not very active on this forum than to see some questions and answer them.

Or do you mean that there are some merit sources that are hoarding smerits? You can report them to theymos if you notice that. Theymos will likely reduce their merit allocation or remove them. Theymos like merit source who makes use of the smerits he is sending them.

he just want to understand or know if merits sources can hoard Smerit to themselves, even though you think that their is some merit sources you will report base on their hoarding Smerit, its obvious that the Smerit have duration in any of the merit sources, if they cannot distribute all that been allocated to them before the next coming of Smerit, theymos will know, and if he notice that, I think that he may neither reduce the allocation for the person and increase other people that can dispense their allocation before the month runs off.

[Alone055]

Mind you, there's a difference between hoarders and merit sources, to begin with.

What's your opinion?

I'd say there will always be enough merits even if some people are selfish and are keeping their smerits with them and aren't distributing them. As you said, there is a difference between merit sources and merit hoarders, and those who are hoarding merits can do that for as long as they want and that wouldn't have much of an effect on the circulation of merits since merit sources are given a quota each month that they need to distribute to worthy members.

It's not like merits have a limited supply like Bitcoin and those hoarding merits are eventually locking a percentage of the total supply. Let them hoard and use them whenever or wherever they want. Besides, theymos has already said something about hoarders:

There is currently no decay, but if hoarding seems to become a problem, I might add it.

[ABCbits]

What's your opinion?

There's no requirement for non-merit source to use sMerit they have. So i think it's not selfish for not using sMerit they have.

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we should try to encourage good contributions to this forum irrespective of the class or origin of country, so as to ensure growth and development and call for good initiatives that will help the Bitcoin family at large.

I agree, but who actually bother check poster class/country origin before deciding to send merit to them?

[TheUltraElite]

I am of the opinion that if some merit source hoards merits, this will show up to theymos when their merits get refilled every month, they are more likely to get marked by theymos due to this behaviour and eventually lose their merit source role.

For those who are not merit sources but done spend their merits, a merit decay thing should be used in my opinion, decayed merits being recycled to sources for distribution once again.

Maybe this is not the case, it is possible the OP is facing a dearth of merits, because as we have seen from the forum, cycling of merits occurs in specific groups and local communities and if you are not part of them you will be missed out and nobody will notice a thing.

I hope theymos takes the above problem up and attempts to solve it in future.

[SatoPrincess]

so it is the duty of everyone to make sure they spend their smerits on quality posts just like same way other users finds your post worthy of meriting and gave them so "one good turn deserves another" when people merit your quality posts also do well to merit others quality posts.

It’s not a duty of a regular forum member to spend his smerits, however merit sources have an obligation to spend their monthly allocated smerits. Not everyone understands the merit system. The idea of “one good turn deserves another" is the reason why many members are merit backscratchers and their merit history has a visible ring. I don’t think merits should be given based on sympathy or relationship.

[Awaklara]

If I get you correctly you are talking about those that have SMerits in their profile but are not distributing it to posts they find of good quality. It is a bad practice to hoard SMerits when they can just easily come across good quality posts in the forum and gives them merit though every one is at liberty to choose between spending their smerits or not but for merit sources it is supposed to be done without hoarding it because the reason why we have merit sources is for distribution of merit in the forum so if a merit source refuses to spend their merit allocation then it is just an act of selfishness and wickedness because they don't even own those SMerits except they distribute them to other profiles.

I'm sure everything will be done according to the portions. there is no selfishness or wickedness.
look at merit sources that even create threads for reviews or those who share their random forum member posts. Even if someone doesn't share their Merit, we know they have a reason. even if it is a Merit source or not. In fact, we still see many members who care about the operation of this very good system.
not all members have thoughts like you or OP. we do know that hoarding sMerit will not do any good. but everyone has their way of thinking regarding distributing the Merit they have.

[Cryptoprincess101]

so it is the duty of everyone to make sure they spend their smerits on quality posts just like same way other users finds your post worthy of meriting and gave them so "one good turn deserves another" when people merit your quality posts also do well to merit others quality posts.

It’s not a duty of a regular forum member to spend his smerits, however merit sources have an obligation to spend their monthly allocated smerits. Not everyone understands the merit system. The idea of “one good turn deserves another" is the reason why many members are merit backscratchers and their merit history has a visible ring. I don’t think merits should not be given based on sympathy or relationship.

I understand your point and you are very correct but please edit the bolded area. Just read the line again