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June 18, 2024, 05:38:59 PM
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Not everyone would bet against their club, but some people do not mind. Look at it this way, it can turn out to be a win-win situation for you, if you bet against your club and your club comes out victorious in the game, you very well lose your money, but you are happy that your team won. Then again, if your team loses, you win your bet, and that can help cover the sadness of the defeat, as for me, i can't really remember the last time i bet against my team, if i think they'd lose, i'll avoid adding the game to my bet slip.
Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.

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June 19, 2024, 08:09:42 PM
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Well, if you ask someone like me, I will definitely say yes to you. I can go against my team when betting when I'm sure they will not succeed in the game. While I see my team as the best in almost all the games that they play and in the league at large, I also believe that some games cannot be won by them because of the caliber of people that they are playing with at that material game. For instance, if I support a club like Dortmund and they were to meet in a match with Real Madrid, while I may support them in reality to win, I will bet Real Madrid to win against them because of the chances available to me since my judgement will be solely based on their track records in the past and their current performance status.

This is why, I believe gambling might be a source of fun and happiness to a great number of people, but ultimately, gambling is meant to be profitable for anyone who's engaging in it and not otherwise. Therefore, my bet will go for Real Madrid to win, while Dortmund will lose.

Well, the truth is that I admire that attitude. I can't , just thinking about it Personally, there is something that doesn't let me do something like that. Maybe I see football in a Way that Encompasses many things , feelings, joys, Deep Defeats , Everything. Although, let me tell you Something , at the Moment the teams are so well prepared that they are capable of facing any kind of Eventuality Even an easy Dortmund can beat a Real Madrid that has so much Power in its players and knowing that most of them are Stars But in general terms, I Admire that Determination that everything can be done from Reason , which in the end is the most Intelligent thing.

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June 19, 2024, 08:18:50 PM
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Not everyone would bet against their club, but some people do not mind. Look at it this way, it can turn out to be a win-win situation for you, if you bet against your club and your club comes out victorious in the game, you very well lose your money, but you are happy that your team won. Then again, if your team loses, you win your bet, and that can help cover the sadness of the defeat, as for me, i can't really remember the last time i bet against my team, if i think they'd lose, i'll avoid adding the game to my bet slip.
Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.
Sometimes emotion or simply being a fan would really be that making that huge influence on how you would really be making out those bets. It would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to make yourself that be able to distinguish when it comes to those possibilities that your team/club you are loving will really be at great disadvantage.

On the moment that you would really be able to see up those probabilities but still you do end up on betting in line with the team you do like then this do basically shows that you are really that
a die hard fan of it. Yes, there's no one could really be stopping us on doing since its our money that we are really that making use of and if we do have this kind of approach then so be it.

For me then i would definitely be going against if i do see those chances that the opponent would really be having that high chance on winning up the game.
Yes, it would really be that hard in some point specially if you are a fan but since we are talking making profits then it would be always the main priority no matter what.

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June 19, 2024, 09:08:06 PM
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Not everyone would bet against their club, but some people do not mind. Look at it this way, it can turn out to be a win-win situation for you, if you bet against your club and your club comes out victorious in the game, you very well lose your money, but you are happy that your team won. Then again, if your team loses, you win your bet, and that can help cover the sadness of the defeat, as for me, i can't really remember the last time i bet against my team, if i think they'd lose, i'll avoid adding the game to my bet slip.
Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.

In fact, there is nothing wrong with whatever decision they will take, even if for example you gamble by deciding against the team you work for for some reason then there is no prohibition, or vice versa, for example you gamble by supporting the club you work for even though you know that the club you are much worse statistically than the opposing team so that doesn't matter either.

There is nothing wrong with these two decisions if you are truly able to accept the consequences of the risks that will occur, because in fact in sports, even if for example you bet against a team that is statistically stronger, it does not mean that you will really win in the end. matches, there are always things that happen unexpectedly, especially in sports betting, you can see some weak teams succeed in beating stronger teams who are in the top 5 of the standings, and this can indeed happen due to various factors, such as the team that are stronger in making mistakes such as fouls that result in one of their players having to be sent off, where it is clear that the game becomes unbalanced because one of the opposing teams loses one player, and this happens in several ongoing leagues. This means that whatever your decision, it is better to prioritize self-acceptance regarding the possibility of defeat rather than having high hopes for victory which cannot be guaranteed.

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June 19, 2024, 09:27:58 PM
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Not everyone would bet against their club, but some people do not mind. Look at it this way, it can turn out to be a win-win situation for you, if you bet against your club and your club comes out victorious in the game, you very well lose your money, but you are happy that your team won. Then again, if your team loses, you win your bet, and that can help cover the sadness of the defeat, as for me, i can't really remember the last time i bet against my team, if i think they'd lose, i'll avoid adding the game to my bet slip.
Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.
Sometimes emotion or simply being a fan would really be that making that huge influence on how you would really be making out those bets. It would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to make yourself that be able to distinguish when it comes to those possibilities that your team/club you are loving will really be at great disadvantage.

On the moment that you would really be able to see up those probabilities but still you do end up on betting in line with the team you do like then this do basically shows that you are really that
a die hard fan of it. Yes, there's no one could really be stopping us on doing since its our money that we are really that making use of and if we do have this kind of approach then so be it.

For me then i would definitely be going against if i do see those chances that the opponent would really be having that high chance on winning up the game.
Yes, it would really be that hard in some point specially if you are a fan but since we are talking making profits then it would be always the main priority no matter what.
When we included emotions in our daily loses on our bets we are making also developing a place for lore loss and truth be told that addition is not too far from such person. Even when one is not gambling for fun he's supposed not to include emotions on the games he play even when he lose or win. However betting against the club we support is not a bad thing when you are gambling to make a few cent of profits so one need to protect that potential winning att all cost but he shouldn't stake wager high if he knows he can not afford to lose the amount. And again, even if you are gambling for fun and you know the game you are about to stake on is not going to bring success to you, it will be wise for you to skip it or bet again it.

Not everyone would bet against their club, but some people do not mind. Look at it this way, it can turn out to be a win-win situation for you, if you bet against your club and your club comes out victorious in the game, you very well lose your money, but you are happy that your team won. Then again, if your team loses, you win your bet, and that can help cover the sadness of the defeat, as for me, i can't really remember the last time i bet against my team, if i think they'd lose, i'll avoid adding the game to my bet slip.
Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.

In fact, there is nothing wrong with whatever decision they will take, even if for example you gamble by deciding against the team you work for for some reason then there is no prohibition, or vice versa, for example you gamble by supporting the club you work for even though you know that the club you are much worse statistically than the opposing team so that doesn't matter either.

There is nothing wrong with these two decisions if you are truly able to accept the consequences of the risks that will occur, because in fact in sports, even if for example you bet against a team that is statistically stronger, it does not mean that you will really win in the end. matches, there are always things that happen unexpectedly, especially in sports betting, you can see some weak teams succeed in beating stronger teams who are in the top 5 of the standings, and this can indeed happen due to various factors, such as the team that are stronger in making mistakes such as fouls that result in one of their players having to be sent off, where it is clear that the game becomes unbalanced because one of the opposing teams loses one player, and this happens in several ongoing leagues. This means that whatever your decision, it is better to prioritize self-acceptance regarding the possibility of defeat rather than having high hopes for victory which cannot be guaranteed.
Yes exactly. As a matter of facts the team guy support doesn't know you as a fan so any team a bettor know that will bring success to his ticket he should bet on it. But as a gambler we need to follow our instincts because most times our instincts doesn't lie to us but the problem is we fails to understand it.
IMO the real reason for a gambler to support a team is for entertainment and might be that the team plays the way he likes. But if the team performance is no more encouraging as previous seasons the gambler shouldn't be blamed for betting against the team.

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June 19, 2024, 09:29:54 PM
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In fact, there is nothing wrong with whatever decision they will take, even if for example you gamble by deciding against the team you work for for some reason then there is no prohibition, or vice versa, for example you gamble by supporting the club you work for even though you know that the club you are much worse statistically than the opposing team so that doesn't matter either.

There is nothing wrong with these two decisions if you are truly able to accept the consequences of the risks that will occur, because in fact in sports, even if for example you bet against a team that is statistically stronger, it does not mean that you will really win in the end. matches, there are always things that happen unexpectedly, especially in sports betting, you can see some weak teams succeed in beating stronger teams who are in the top 5 of the standings, and this can indeed happen due to various factors, such as the team that are stronger in making mistakes such as fouls that result in one of their players having to be sent off, where it is clear that the game becomes unbalanced because one of the opposing teams loses one player, and this happens in several ongoing leagues. This means that whatever your decision, it is better to prioritize self-acceptance regarding the possibility of defeat rather than having high hopes for victory which cannot be guaranteed.
Of course, anything can happen in sports matches, and it doesn’t matter whether we bet on or against our favorite team. But the fact is that before betting, we can know many things that are not visible to ordinary players, for example, various little things in the mutual understanding of players and other subtle points. As a fan of one of my favorite teams, I saw this and bet against it, and in the end I managed to win a couple of matches. But I want to say right away that I was not very comfortable with this. I couldn’t watch the match as usual, which I wouldn’t bet on. Because on the one hand I feel joy for my favorite team if they get a point, and on the other hand I am happy that I will win money if they are deprived of a point. This match turns into such a chaotic game of emotions for me that I would rather not bet on it at all in order to get completely bright and sincere emotions from a regular game.

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June 19, 2024, 09:50:03 PM
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Betting involves money and majority of people place bets in order to win so if you find out that the team you support may not win a match then there's need to bet against them instead of betting in their favour and at the end of the day you lose your bets. I know that being a fan of a club you either work for or support how they play means that you have to stand by them even if they win or lose but it shouldn't be when money is at staked.

Most people do say that they are die hard fans such that they always want the team they support to be favoured all the time, it is not bad to be a core fan but in a case where you know the that the team you support will lose a game it's rather you just discard placing the net or you bet against your team even though you still wish for them to win.

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June 19, 2024, 10:14:25 PM
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When the opportunity to win is on the opposing team, why don't I decide to place a bet on the opposing team, even though it is quite painful because I have to fight against myself. And here I don't not believe in the team I support, but there is a certain amount of money I am betting on, and for me losing to the team I like is no more painful than losing when betting.

And for me, it's quite ridiculous when we bet on a team whose chances of winning are quite small, because it's the same as throwing away money that we have for free. Even though it's a team we like. and I can do that, because I enjoy the betting more than the match itself.

that's right, we have to be able to distinguish between gambling and support for the team. when we play as a gambler, we have to choose which team has the highest chance of winning, even when it has to fight our favorite team, then we have to be able to choose the opposing team. because money is money. we have to be able to think wisely and choose which team benefits us. unless we really don't want to gamble against our favorite team, that's another story, but i personally when i have the opportunity i will take the best that benefits me.

How then do we determine if a team would win a game when we don't mainly know the future? Sport gambling truly works on analysis, some of the times, but that is not enough to make us accept the winning opportunity of a specific team. That's why a hysterical fan wouldn't risk handing out a bet against his team. What if his team ends up winning the game. How would the fan free? He is going to feel both bad and not completely win/for himself. He'll most probably also will have this thought, what if my team wins? If the analysis which may be the reason you said something about know if a team would lose or not, the best sport analyst would be making kill I guess. Yet, they end up fetching slips with errors. It's always better to hold the funds.

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Absolutely you should be ready to bet against your own team, only die hard fans will say otherwise.   There are some teams which never seem to have bad luck which justifies the betting bias.  I would suggest only to skip betting sometimes if your team is really the best ever, there will be times you should 'stay your hand' to save a bad loss.  Learning when to temper your enthusiasm is a good lesson imo.

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June 20, 2024, 03:06:24 AM
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There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.
Yes, and I believe no emotions should be involved when someone is making a gambling bet because you can't earn money if you are emotional, and your emotional attachment to a team shouldn't disrupt your gambling because if you are sure that the team you support is up against a team that is stronger than your favourite team and it's a sure bet, you should go for it despite having an emotional attachment with the team.

But as you said, a lot of people can't do that, even if they know that their favourite team is playing against a team that is way stronger than it and their team can't win the game, such people will always lose great opportunities that they could use to earn good profit only if they weren't driven by emotions and had full control of them.

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Absolutely you should be ready to bet against your own team, only die hard fans will say otherwise.   There are some teams which never seem to have bad luck which justifies the betting bias.  I would suggest only to skip betting sometimes if your team is really the best ever, there will be times you should 'stay your hand' to save a bad loss.  Learning when to temper your enthusiasm is a good lesson imo.
Although there is a tendency always to support your team as a die-hard fan, it is important to remain objective and rational when making betting decisions. It's wise to recognise that there are teams that seem to always have luck, and to factor this bias into your betting decisions.

Sometimes, it's smart to avoid big losses by skipping bets, especially when you think your team is really the best. Important lessons to learn from betting are to be careful and not always bet out of excitement. This shows that you are an adult and that you fully understand the risks of betting.

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June 20, 2024, 03:53:40 AM
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Come on, there are many sports, there are so many leagues and there are a lot matches, you don't have to bet on match where your club is playing. So, I would refrain to bet against the club I support, I don't feel fun to bet against my club. If I won, I'm not happy to see my club lose, if I lose, I'm happy to see my club win, but what's the point I bet for?

Sometime betting on favorite club isn't a wise thing too because you will evaluate them based on your emotional instead judge objectively.

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Agreed with you. There are people who won't bet against their favorite tem because they loved the team and their performance even if the club performance is bad or good they will still support them, and sometimes the reasons why they support the team might be because of one good player or other specific things in the team. If one is a type that do gamble to make profits is betting against his or her favorite team I think it's not bad because he's not gambling to be entertained but needs the profits. Reason why a gambler who supports a team bet against his favorite team is because the performance of the team he supports is becoming weird and they don't trust the team anymore so they have to bet against them just to protect the winning. But a gambler who supports a team even if the team performance is not encouraging is a type that just there to be entertained by the both team.
Both options are valid, in fact I would have no problem if a person that was gambling for fun made a bet against their favorite team too, as they may do so just to bother some of their friends or for some other reason.

However there are some die hard fans that no matter what they will never take a bet against their favorite team and that is respectable too, not that I agree, since even if I have my favorite team on each sport I follow, I have no problem taking a bet against it if I think that is the right move to take.
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Sometimes emotion or simply being a fan would really be that making that huge influence on how you would really be making out those bets. It would really be that impossible that you cant really be able to make yourself that be able to distinguish when it comes to those possibilities that your team/club you are loving will really be at great disadvantage.
for a fan to have become a fan in the first place, there has to be a reason.

Let's say the team you support is basically a legend in the sport and has been amazing before now start to encounter some challenges. As a die hard fan, I think it is ok to still be a fan while recognizing where your team is making mistakes and what they should so to fix it.

All you will feel of course is anger and disappointment because you cannot change the results of a game. But you can bet against your team especially if you see it coming true. it is not betrayal, imo. you are still a fan nonetheless.

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June 20, 2024, 06:58:19 AM
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Come on, there are many sports, there are so many leagues and there are a lot matches, you don't have to bet on match where your club is playing. So, I would refrain to bet against the club I support, I don't feel fun to bet against my club. If I won, I'm not happy to see my club lose, if I lose, I'm happy to see my club win, but what's the point I bet for?



Exactly since its like you are betraying them if he bet on the opposite team. Also for sure he will really be in big trouble if the management knows that he bet on the enemy side and for sure it will cost him his job which is really bad reason to get fired.

Much really better to go on other leagues which conflict of interest is not present and for sure no one will bother them there since team owners or handlers is avoiding to have insider on their team and expose all their plans that's why for sure they want their worker to be their solid supporter so there will be no issue will happen. I don't also feel that way that's the reason I don't bet against my favorite them since I feel sad when seeing them lose to.


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A fan of a sports club in my opinion there are 2 differences between fanatical fans and club fans but think about profits.
Fanatical club fans will usually do anything so that their club can win and even choose not to bet rather than having to bet against their favorite club, while club fans who also think about profits will definitely be willing to bet against their favorite club for the profit they have to get, no matter if it ends up being lost. criticism as a traitor but all that is freedom.

Actually there are several other options that we can do without having to fight against clubs when we want to bet and we can bet on the total score option or other options that don't have to bet on one of the clubs.

I do this when my favorite club experiences a slight decline in performance and has a much stronger opponent and I never worry that if later criticism comes to me about traitors, I will answer that everyone has their own objective.

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June 20, 2024, 12:46:06 PM
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A fan of a sports club in my opinion there are 2 differences between fanatical fans and club fans but think about profits.
Fanatical club fans will usually do anything so that their club can win and even choose not to bet rather than having to bet against their favorite club, while club fans who also think about profits will definitely be willing to bet against their favorite club for the profit they have to get, no matter if it ends up being lost. criticism as a traitor but all that is freedom.

Actually there are several other options that we can do without having to fight against clubs when we want to bet and we can bet on the total score option or other options that don't have to bet on one of the clubs.

I do this when my favorite club experiences a slight decline in performance and has a much stronger opponent and I never worry that if later criticism comes to me about traitors, I will answer that everyone has their own objective.
There are guys who are so loyal to their team that they almost bleed their colors. They would rather lose all their money than not believe their boys. After that there is the other side, made up of cold-blooded bettors. If their team's performance is off in any way, they're looking for ways to make money

But your angle, man, betting on those total scores and all that, that's some next-level shit. You play the game, but you also play the game inside the game. Although your plan is very clever, it makes you wonder about the morality of betting and fans. Actually, it's kind of serious, right? Either your heart or your cash, your loyalty or your sense of reason

Things are strange in life, man. These decisions and problems are all over it. You think you have free will, but it's possible that you're just acting on some strange personal beliefs. Maybe the real bet we're making is on ourselves. How can we live in this crazy world without going crazy? How can we stay true to ourselves?

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June 20, 2024, 12:57:56 PM
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I don’t know if I’ve made a comment on this but I just came across this again and also had a reread and I think I’ve heard of something similar to this somewhere about some sort of restrictions on active board members like the players and very active board members from betting on their own games and matches and I think this very initiative is to help prevent match buying and rigging and I also heard there some pishiments associated with this very act and I don’t think this news is strange to my ear.

I don’t think a core fan would bet against their club no matter what the circumstances are and just as op already said, maybe he was just an employee and not really a fan and since the club was making serial losses, he had to seize the opportunity make some extra cash and I’m sorry the employee was the scape goat.

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June 20, 2024, 02:08:08 PM
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Betting involves money and majority of people place bets in order to win so if you find out that the team you support may not win a match then there's need to bet against them instead of betting in their favour and at the end of the day you lose your bets. I know that being a fan of a club you either work for or support how they play means that you have to stand by them even if they win or lose but it shouldn't be when money is at staked.

Most people do say that they are die hard fans such that they always want the team they support to be favoured all the time, it is not bad to be a core fan but in a case where you know the that the team you support will lose a game it's rather you just discard placing the net or you bet against your team even though you still wish for them to win.
Exactly, you are right on the focus and trend of many fans. Although it is clear that love for a club is difficult to deny, the benefits should still be calculated, one cannot close one's eyes and hope that the club's performance will outperform other competitors while statistics are poor compared to that hope. If we truly love the team and feel that betting against is becoming a detriment to our mood, we can replace it with the aspect of belief and cheering, betting is just a sideline activity to contribute to interesting entertainment, without influence and without coercion, do not increase the severity too high.

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June 20, 2024, 02:16:43 PM
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Betting involves money and majority of people place bets in order to win so if you find out that the team you support may not win a match then there's need to bet against them instead of betting in their favour and at the end of the day you lose your bets. I know that being a fan of a club you either work for or support how they play means that you have to stand by them even if they win or lose but it shouldn't be when money is at staked.

Most people do say that they are die hard fans such that they always want the team they support to be favoured all the time, it is not bad to be a core fan but in a case where you know the that the team you support will lose a game it's rather you just discard placing the net or you bet against your team even though you still wish for them to win.
Exactly, you are right on the focus and trend of many fans. Although it is clear that love for a club is difficult to deny, the benefits should still be calculated, one cannot close one's eyes and hope that the club's performance will outperform other competitors while statistics are poor compared to that hope. If we truly love the team and feel that betting against is becoming a detriment to our mood, we can replace it with the aspect of belief and cheering, betting is just a sideline activity to contribute to interesting entertainment, without influence and without coercion, do not increase the severity too high.
Well, I've always been of the opinion that I will gladly bet against my favorite club when and if money calls, but maybe it's kind of easy for me because I am not obsessed with this whole football fan or favorite club thing.

For example, I love Arsenal and for ages, they have always been my favorite when it comes to football, but I can't count how many times I've had to bet against them when I am very sure that they won't be able to beat the opponent they are facing, and at the end of the day, when they eventually lose, I win my money, the players get paid their salary, we are all happy.
But imagine betting for your favorite club multiple times, (even on matches you know they won't win) and they lose multiple times, by the end of the week, they players get paid their salary, meanwhile you have lost your money betting on them, never will I allow myself to be that dumb.

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