Trust Summary and Shadow banning

[timegrazer]

I have a question regarding trust summaries and feedback. I have interacted with many users here and they would vouch for having a positive experience with me and not a single one of them would claim me being a scammer. Still,  a crazy, mental user with a 'Legendary' status who has never ever worked on any project with me ever has left me a negative trust review. Thisis visible to every user on bitcointalk and potentially hurting my image, however, when I leave a counter, a negative feedback towards them with an explanation about him, it is not visible to the world. How is this fair? Is bitcointalk shadow banning people's reviews or do people of Legendary status have some special powers to hide it, which we don't? Why is sh17 written about me visible to the world but when I provide a clarification and write sh17 about that liar, it isn't? How is this fair?   

[_act_]

If you want to leave a trust feedback on someone's Bitcointalk account and you want it to appear so that everyone can see it, you will need to be in DT1 or DT2.  If someone or more people in DT1 add you to his or their trust list, you will become DT2. Only theymos can put you in DT1.

[Helena Yu]

It's not the Legendary users have a power to hide your feedback, it's the system.

The reason why your feedback not visible to everyone is because you're not a DT, while he's a DT, read [Explained] How DT system works.

If someone include you in their trust list, they can see your feedback visible even you're not a DT... and if they distrust the user who left feedback in your account, they will not see that Legendary user feedback in your account.

It's fair since each users can include and exclude any users, now the question is how many users are going to trust you over him?

[timegrazer]

This is really funny. Feedback by nature should not have ACLs. This system promotes cheating since people can privately agree to add each other (or pay someone with a higher level) and gain powers. Also the system is way too convoluted and unfair towards Newbies and Coppers. Anyone with powers can stick a 'scammer' sticker on a newbie and the world would think so as well, they have no opportunity to clarify it, they would leave a review thinking that the world can read it, but they would be ignorant of the truth. The system should atleast make it clear that although they are leaving a counter review, it won't be visible to anyone except them.

It's fair since each users can include and exclude any users, now the question is how many users are going to trust you over him?

No this is not fair since a new user who has never interacted with either me or the person who left a negative review can only see their review, not mine! So no, this is unfair. Also, So to answer your question, ofcourse users are going to believe them since my part has been silenced systematically!

[AbuBhakar]

This is really funny. Feedback by nature should not have ACLs. This system promotes cheating since people can privately agree to add each other (or pay someone with a higher level) and gain powers. Also the system is way too convoluted and unfair towards Newbies and Coppers. Anyone with powers can stick a 'scammer' sticker on a newbie and the world would think so as well, they have no opportunity to clarify it, they would leave a review thinking that the world can read it, but they would be ignorant of the truth. The system should atleast make it clear that although they are leaving a counter review, it won't be visible to anyone except them.

The system is designed fairly so that you will only get power here by proving first how reputable you are through good deeds and multiple successful transactions with other user with proof.

Vod attached reference on his tag to you which is valid. His DT power can be easily removed once he show an abused by excluding him to the trust list of the other DT. Forum DT works perfectly on anonymous environment like Bitcointalk. It’s not unfair with newbie, If you don’t want to get tagged then don’t do shady things like what you did because it’s an obvious fake feedback for your service.

You can request to remove the negative feedback to the user that gives it to you by admitting your mistake and don’t do it again. But it needs time for Vod to rethink about it.

[timegrazer]

Vod attached reference on his tag to you which is valid. His DT power can be easily removed once he show an abused by excluding him to the trust list of the other DT. Forum DT works perfectly on anonymous environment like Bitcointalk. It’s not unfair with newbie, If you don’t want to get tagged then don’t do shady things like what you did because it’s an obvious fake feedback for your service.

You can request to remove the negative feedback to the user that gives it to you by admitting your mistake and don’t do it again. But it needs time for Vod to rethink about it.

Consider a scenario:
A new user signs up onto this forum. This newbie has neither interacted with me , nor with anybody whatsoever! This user comes to my profile, sees a negative point, clicks on the name of the user who had left it.
But, they do not see my negative review and a feedback.

How is it not unfair to a newbie? It is a known fact that a new user who has no link to me can see that I have a distrust label, but my explanation is not visible to them. This IS one sided and unfair both towards them and me.

Even I had attached a reference, but it is not visible to new users, still his comments are.

I'd like to know how you can judge me without having ever interacted with me. How do you I was running a scam? I have dealt with people in the past on this forum  and you are free to contact them. Just because I did not go begging to them to leave a positive point should NOT leave me underprivileged.

And once again, what evidence do you have to label me as doing "shady things"? One can conduct totally legit actions (like I am) and still get negative trust points? How can you not understand that?

And what was this about "admitting your mistake and don’t do it again". Please enlighten us why I should admit something I have not done?  Do you think I am so naive? Who are you to judge again? The only mistake I did is trying to go against a system of bullies, but I won't be silent. You have no idea what work I have been doing and how happy people who have interacted with me are. You seem like a Vod fan. Good for you but I request you to try and trick someone else into "admitting" something they haven't done. Keep your judgements to yourself if you do not know the whole story!

[blckhawk]

You're a Junior Member and I got to tell you, that doesn't really give out confidence to many people here in the forum that's always skeptical and always on guard on potential scams and schemes, maybe you could've asked with other people that you've worked with to vouch for you, I mean that's the only thing that you can do right? If you want a proof that you're doing things right, wouldn't it be in your favor that someone vouches for you? I don't know about shadowbanning here in the forum but there's a thing in the forum called Ignore user and anyone can just press that so they don't see that person posting here anymore, maybe that's what's happening to you.

[Alpha Marine]

I went through the whole thread through the "reference" given by Vod for the red trust. I must confess that it looks pretty suspicious of you. Personally, I wouldn't have given any negative trust to you if I was in a position to, but he wasn't entirely wrong, maybe too harsh, but not wrong.

You asked for test hackers and people were only asking for more clarification. There were a lot of loopholes in the deal. Questions were still being asked when a newbie popped up and said he had done the test hack and was in your DM. People on the thread (Examplens and Vod) were giving suggestions and asking questions about the whole thing and stating how you should be more transparent when another newbie posted that "he's also interested " in the test hack. If you don't see how suspicious that looks then you need to look again

[Helena Yu]

This is really funny. Feedback by nature should not have ACLs. This system promotes cheating since people can privately agree to add each other (or pay someone with a higher level) and gain powers. Also the system is way too convoluted and unfair towards Newbies and Coppers. Anyone with powers can stick a 'scammer' sticker on a newbie and the world would think so as well, they have no opportunity to clarify it, they would leave a review thinking that the world can read it, but they would be ignorant of the truth. The system should atleast make it clear that although they are leaving a counter review, it won't be visible to anyone except them.

It's fair since each users can include and exclude any users, now the question is how many users are going to trust you over him?

No this is not fair since a new user who has never interacted with either me or the person who left a negative review can only see their review, not mine! So no, this is unfair. Also, So to answer your question, ofcourse users are going to believe them since my part has been silenced systematically!

I will not disagree with your point "privately agree to add each other (or pay someone with a higher level) and gain powers" because definitely it's possible and no one can know behind them. But, the list of include and exclude users, feedback etc are completely transparent, if it's really suspicious or someone misused the power, other DTs can kick him from the DT network.

If you think you're correct and you didn't deserved to receive negative feedback, then create a thread in Reputation section and explain the case, it's the section to discuss about feedback.

[Pmalek]

Consider a scenario:
A new user signs up onto this forum. This newbie has neither interacted with me , nor with anybody whatsoever! This user comes to my profile, sees a negative point, clicks on the name of the user who had left it.
But, they do not see my negative review and a feedback.

The feedback you leave for other users, DTs or regular users, are visible publicly. They just don't appear under the Trusted Feedback list. But you can see it under Untrusted Feedback. Check it yourself. Here is Vod's profile. Click Show ratings and you can find your feedback there along with many other from users outside of the DT network.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I have a question regarding trust summaries and feedback. I have interacted with many users here and they would vouch for having a positive experience with me and not a single one of them would claim me being a scammer. Still,  a crazy, mental user with a 'Legendary' status who has never ever worked on any project with me ever has left me a negative trust review.

Base on my understanding and little experience with the forum, no one will issue you a review or tag without having a reason for that, what I will advise is for you to keep on doing what you know best, because your real identity will always reflect from the way of how you make your stay here.

This is visible to every user on bitcointalk and potentially hurting my image, however, when I leave a counter, a negative feedback towards them with an explanation about him, it is not visible to the world.

It's because you're not a DT member.

[suchmoon]

a crazy, mental user
shadow banning
sh17 written about me
that liar

Not too bright, are you? When was the last time you were actually able to improve someone's opinion about you by being a belligerent asshole?

This is really funny. Feedback by nature should not have ACLs. This system promotes cheating since people can privately agree to add each other (or pay someone with a higher level) and gain powers. Also the system is way too convoluted and unfair towards Newbies and Coppers. Anyone with powers can stick a 'scammer' sticker on a newbie and the world would think so as well, they have no opportunity to clarify it, they would leave a review thinking that the world can read it, but they would be ignorant of the truth. The system should atleast make it clear that although they are leaving a counter review, it won't be visible to anyone except them.

The system does make it clear. You being too dumb to understand or too lazy to spend a few minutes to learn it doesn't make it "unfair". It's not true that your feedback is not visible to anyone except you... it's visible to everyone under the "not in your trust network" warning.

And all this whiny nonsense about paying someone - it should be obvious even to the most obtuse spammer that removing any qualifications for DT would result in any newbie being able to spam the system to utter uselessness without even having to pay anyone. It's not perfect as it is but at least it's keeping illiterate participation trophy winners like yourself out.