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June 05, 2024, 12:56:07 AM
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ETH's design was a bad idea from the start. Executing turing-complete smart contracts on-chain, adds undesired network bloat. The Blockchain wasn't designed to handle a large number of interactions per second. Vitalik and team should've separated contract deployment and execution from the main Ethereum blockchain. In other words, smart contracts will run off-chain, while ordinary transactions will run on-chain. Avalanche's 3-layer network design is the best way for scaling. For those unaware, "turing-completeness" means being able to "solve any complex computation problem if provided with enough memory and time".

What are your thoughts? Does ETH have a bad network design? If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley

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June 05, 2024, 01:14:01 AM
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Ethereum has been undergoing multiple upgrades, and the primary objective is to be enhance its scalability. As it's still the most decentralized smart contract platform so far, I believe a solution to address scalability issues will eventually be implemented over time.

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June 05, 2024, 07:09:36 AM
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ETH's design was a bad idea from the start. Executing turing-complete smart contracts on-chain, adds undesired network bloat. The Blockchain wasn't designed to handle a large number of interactions per second. Vitalik and team should've separated contract deployment and execution from the main Ethereum blockchain. In other words, smart contracts will run off-chain, while ordinary transactions will run on-chain. Avalanche's 3-layer network design is the best way for scaling. For those unaware, "turing-completeness" means being able to "solve any complex computation problem if provided with enough memory and time".

What are your thoughts? Does ETH have a bad network design? If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley

ETH was launched for the purpose of creating projects on their blockchain instead of creating their own and they had been successful in that even until 2018 then only the number of transactions on chain is getting out of the limit from that they are going through multiple upgrades to make it reliable and feasible solution even they switched from PoW to PoS just for the same reason.

But moving smart contracts off-chain will make it more centralized network then people will lose trust over so I don't think they will be interested in doing that.









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June 05, 2024, 07:14:37 AM
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What are your thoughts? Does ETH have a bad network design? If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley


And that is why the Layer 2 solution was first created on the Ethereum network due to its scalability issue. They have added so many upgrades to the network that I cannot remember but those have not been effective. The transaction fees are still high and that is the reason why the BSC chain became popular in the last bull run and the next in line will be the Solana network as that is what I can forsee. A lot of new crypto projects are now using other blockchains that are cheaper, faster, and can handle congestion or they are using a layer 2 solution.

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June 05, 2024, 07:42:53 AM
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I do not think ethereum has bad design until it moved from PoW to PoS which makes it further to become more centralized. What I do not like about ethereum is that it was an ICO. Its developers sold some coins to early investors when the coin has not started trading. This is another reason the coin is very centralized. Another thing is that its developers like Vitalik Buterin have so much influence on the coin which also makes it centralized. The coin is centralized to an extent.

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June 05, 2024, 08:19:06 AM
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(...)What are your thoughts? Does ETH have a bad network design? If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley

But in recent years, I've really not been concerned with ETH's technology-related issues, because at the time of launch it was considered a star in the field, but up to this point, competitors have introduced new solutions to differentiate themselves many restrictions were created. But in the end, the reason why people still prioritize using Bitcoin, ETH,... old things is not just a technology story. Anyway, I, like many people here, approach ETH to make profits, and actually have much greater faith in it than the rest, proving the ETF spot story Smiley









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June 05, 2024, 08:34:22 AM
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it definitely has it flaws, but the layer 2 has done helped the scalability to some extent by offloading the transaction to these layer 2 blockchains which in result after the introduction of blobs to replace calldata proven to help reduce the transaction fee significantly meaning the attempt to scale further the ethereum blockchain is somewhat successful though occasionally when there are sudden flood of transaction such as when there's airdrop claiming event and so on, the fee get back up again. at this point I think the problem in regard of scalability almost solved.
What are your thoughts? Does ETH have a bad network design? If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley


And that is why the Layer 2 solution was first created on the Ethereum network due to its scalability issue. They have added so many upgrades to the network that I cannot remember but those have not been effective. The transaction fees are still high and that is the reason why the BSC chain became popular in the last bull run and the next in line will be the Solana network as that is what I can forsee. A lot of new crypto projects are now using other blockchains that are cheaper, faster, and can handle congestion or they are using a layer 2 solution.
the perk of being latecomer they can easily find the weak point that they can improve on in releasing the next iteration of the smart contract based blockchain but being the first ever smart contract blockchain as ethereum is that you just don't know what kind of problem gonna be appearing next that could possibly congest the blockchain. so can't really blame ethereum on falling short on certain capability.

at the end of the day ethereum still got that advantage of matured ecosystem overall which many new blockchain can't imitate or come close to.
hopefully next upgrade there will be many surprises that could help significantly in improving ethereum scalability.

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Gas fees can often be too high & it’s the fact that it’s POS which makes me uncomfortable about its long term future. I’m sure it will do well over the short to mid term, the Spot ETF will drive investment but Vitalik having too much control is a big negative to me.

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Ethereum has been undergoing multiple upgrades, and the primary objective is to be enhance its scalability.
That much can be deduced from The Merge. Ethereum switching from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake proved to be a move towards solving scalability issues as well as environmental concerns.
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Ethereum, to be honest despite its many attempts in fixing their scalability issues, remain to have high gas fees which should be immediately addressed.

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Ethereum, to be honest despite its many attempts in fixing their scalability issues, remain to have high gas fees which should be immediately addressed.
I don't think so because ethereum is a decentralized blockchain network, which means it is not controlled by any single entity. It allows cryptocurrencies and decentralized apps to run on it. Directly editing or fixing Ethereum is not easy because it would go against its decentralized nature where no one has full control. Making big changes to Ethereum without proper consensus could disrupt its decentralization. So, addressing high gas fees or other issues should be done step-by-step, through planned upgrades that the entire Ethereum community agrees on, rather than sudden major edits that could break the system's decentralized design.

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I fear for Ethereum because other competitors are indeed catching up to, the success of Solana and Basechain is a testimony to this, I don't like to talk the technical side because with real commitment fromt the team it can be resolved. Today BNB hit ATH after all the FUD and negativity it suffers due to SEC attack on the exchange but Ethereum continue to lag behind with the ETF news.

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Ethereum has been undergoing multiple upgrades, and the primary objective is to be enhance its scalability. As it's still the most decentralized smart contract platform so far, I believe a solution to address scalability issues will eventually be implemented over time.

and so the reason for developing the layer 2 solution for those issues including the issue with fees because of this congestion. 
despite this problem though, there is a huge interest in making money out of ETH because of its POS upgrade and institutions are getting to pour more of its staking and they like it because its a cash cow for the rich validators.

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Ethereum is my favorite altcoin, its strength lies in smart contracts and its many erc2' tokens. It is true that if there are many transactions at the same time, the network slows down but hopefully with the next upgrades this problem will also be solved, more and more blockchains are adopting /create eth

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Ethereum was designed to look like bitcoin as decentralized project and that was why I invested in it but seen slow movement of the price made me to realize that the project is not good to invest. Ethereum would have been the second best cryptocurrency in the industry but I don't think so though it is the second in the market but people are investing in other coins more than Ethereum. And the element of Centralization is also there through the wallet.

Ethereum MEW is sharing with other projects which is not good as a decentralized cryptocurrency project. If a project is decentralized then it has to separate itself from other projects with all ramifications. So from the onset when I see the wallet with other projects, I see it as a centralized project and not decentralized project. And that is one of the main project I detected in the Ethereum project. Though the approval of the ETF is making the coin price increase.

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I do not think ethereum has bad design until it moved from PoW to PoS which makes it further to become more centralized. What I do not like about ethereum is that it was an ICO. Its developers sold some coins to early investors when the coin has not started trading. This is another reason the coin is very centralized. Another thing is that its developers like Vitalik Buterin have so much influence on the coin which also makes it centralized. The coin is centralized to an extent.

Exactly. Bitcoin never had an ICO. Even its creator Satoshi Nakamoto was anonymous. He left the project in the hands of the community. With ETH, it's all of the contrary. People are following Vitalik blindly instead of sticking with crypto's true ideals/principles. ETH was centralized from the very beginning. But now it's worse with the PoS upgrade.

As I've stated before, deploying and executing smart contracts on-chain is a terrible idea. The Blockchain wasn't designed to handle constant interactions/computations per second. So-called "decentralized applications" will eventually clog the Blockchain network. Why not move it off-chain instead? Only put token transactions on-chain to help reduce network congestion. Don't expect ETH developers to fix this, especially when it's not in their best interests to do so. I'm afraid on-chain gas fees will remain high for as long as ETH lives. At least, we have plenty of options to choose from.

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June 09, 2024, 05:27:24 AM
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I fear for Ethereum because other competitors are indeed catching up to, the success of Solana and Basechain is a testimony to this, I don't like to talk the technical side because with real commitment fromt the team it can be resolved. Today BNB hit ATH after all the FUD and negativity it suffers due to SEC attack on the exchange but Ethereum continue to lag behind with the ETF news.
Exchanges are only obligated to do just one main job and that's simple, making trades simple and smooth running. ETH is listed among the promising project in the market and have become one of the top project after bitcoin. However as we're concerned with the project, we should also consider the high gas fee and become more curious because it makes us spend extra because everyone would be so bend to see the enormous profits.

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ETH's design was a bad idea from the start. Executing turing-complete smart contracts on-chain, adds undesired network bloat. The Blockchain wasn't designed to handle a large number of interactions per second. Vitalik and team should've separated contract deployment and execution from the main Ethereum blockchain. In other words, smart contracts will run off-chain, while ordinary transactions will run on-chain. Avalanche's 3-layer network design is the best way for scaling. For those unaware, "turing-completeness" means being able to "solve any complex computation problem if provided with enough memory and time".

What are your thoughts? Does ETH have a bad network design? If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley
ETH was actually launched so that the altcoins market can compete with BTC market but the major problem that were faced was congestion and then we see that chains like SOL come into play where they solved the issues that were faced in ETH.

Now it's time that either ETH upgrade itself utpo a certain extent otherwise SOL will take over the chain. These two are in a tussle and they both are very much in market due to continuous upgrades.

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I fear for Ethereum because other competitors are indeed catching up to, the success of Solana and Basechain is a testimony to this, I don't like to talk the technical side because with real commitment fromt the team it can be resolved. Today BNB hit ATH after all the FUD and negativity it suffers due to SEC attack on the exchange but Ethereum continue to lag behind with the ETF news.
I think it might only be a matter of time before ethereum gets surpassed by another altcoin. Though I am not sure about memecoins being the one to do it. Solana is doing really good so we’d have to keep an eye on it to check whether it can maintain its current status or even grow more.

One thing for sure though if solana becomes more successful and valuable than ethereum, it will legitimize memecoins and we will see more of them in the field.









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What are your thoughts?
Scalling is the only main problem of ethereum. It was an experimental blockchain from the start. Other blockchain can only copy and improve it.

Does ETH have a bad network design?
It doesn't have a bad network design. How can you call blame the first smartcontract blockchain as a blockchain that has bad network design? Does it make sense? Why don avalanche team release their blockchain before ethereum?
Ethereum is an old blockchain, and it has also become the first smartcontract blockchain. I value ethereum not only as a blockchain but it acted as experimental technology before the development of blockchain is growing even faster like this time.

If not, why? What do you think would be the best approach for scaling ETH (aside from centralized L2s)? Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Smiley
L2 is already the best solution for this. I meant we shall not be going through forking the blockchain anytime. Vitalik has introduced an update for ethereum blockchain to cut L2 fees. Although i must admit ethereum fees is so damn high but it can go so low once you have bridged your ethereum to the L2 blockchain.

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June 09, 2024, 07:41:17 AM
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here's one of the things said by a guy who supported ETH being a validator for years. and he is not happy with what is happening in the ENS and all the rest of the tokens that used the Etherchain. it's been happening for years already and we can see it since the time Tether got into most of the L1 projects but are using eth blockchain. users are just up to making profits and not for decentralization.

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I’m an Ethereum node validator mining for over 1100 days! Why because I saw the connections with TradFi years ago and so I took a bet on ETH and wanted to support what they called ETH2. But over the years, I’ve been seeing things which I disagree with. LSD’s, restaking, and sadly this extreme bias with ENS.

These conflicts of interest are fuelled solely by their investments and the price of tokens! It’s an attempt for an inner circle to hold a monopoly over certain services.
The @ethereum foundation recently suggested they need to work on these financial conflicts of interest. The problem is, imho they are empty words.

I’m not sure they can actually put their biases aside because they’re so deeply intertwined with these tokens financially they are ethically and morally corrupt.
They can’t deny it because they are literally saying these things publicly, we have the receipts recorded in podcasts hosted on the Internet for everyone to hear and see.
And for this reason I believe in a multi chain paradigm. Because if you’re going to sit on a high horse with such arrogance believing that nothing can compete due to a first mover advantage.

To me that is a sign of lackadaisical leadership with their eyes off the ball, bellies already too fat from feeding off the ERC-20 trough for too long.
@IOHK_Charles has made a loud and clear message to @BanklessHQ
 that if they wish to mock their research and technology at least have the balls to go and do it in person to their communities faces, instead of hiding behind a computer screen with the Ethereum army backing them up.

Charles is right, I’ve not seen Ethereum Maxis talk about any other protocol in the many years I’ve been around in a positive manner. Unless it’s an L2 of course!
They throw shade on anything they’re not connected to financially and for some reason the same goes for .eth they disingenuously push a narrative that it’s the only Ethereum name service 😂 and ironically after doing exactly the same to the Solana community @BanklessHQ have bizarrely pivoted and have been banging on about Solana for about a year now since it hit it’s low of $7 👀 and Vitalik jumped in to pump it! ☝️

I would bet my bottom dollar these guys are heavily invested in Solana now, possible fraudulent and misleading behaviour from social networking influencers pumping their bags. No one would be surprised, this is crypto after all.

@VitalikButerin
 knows that if he ever murmured the words of another TLD that uses the Ethereum blockchain that it would harm the price of the ENS token. And that’s why he will pretend for as long as possible that ENS is the only decentralised DNS protocol on the Ethereum Blockchain 🤦‍♂️

ENS is not even decentralised because of the way they use token weighted governance and the major holders of the tokens happen to be Binance, Coinbase a16z et al and other whales that we’re not too sure who they actually are?
more https://x.com/ZKDID_/status/1799400337612190153

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