Brand new / Newbie accounts shouldn't be allowed to post links early on

[Alone055]

We often see users creating accounts, more than one in most cases, and using them to advertise a certain platform, project, or app by starting new topics in different sections of the forum. What they do is make it sound like they are asking a genuine question or they are concerned about something or maybe doing some research about it, but it can be seen that they have no other intention but to promote what they are mentioning.

The most recent example that I've come across is this:

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Although this one is quite straightforward, you can often find users trying to twist it and make it a question and try to be genuinely concerned and ask for help from the community which we know isn't the case.
The users who do this are usually not found after, meaning they create an account, make the post with the link, disappear, and then do it with a new account later.

So, since this is mostly, almost 99% of the time, done using new accounts, I'm proposing that we do something that might prevent this from happening.

What we can do is to have a requirement after creating a new account for users to be able to post links, which means that if someone creates a new account, they shouldn't be able to post links unless they spend a specific amount of time in the forum like 24 hours or something. So if someone joins the forum being interested in the forum itself and plans to stay, they should be okay because they will have the requirement completed within a few days, and those who are doing these things won't be able to post links to promote specific services.

The only exception should be for users buying Copper membership, which means that if someone buys Copper membership, they should be exempted from this requirement and be able to post links immediately.

Let me know what you guys think about this and whether this can be useful or not.

P.S: I got the idea from a post that I read and I want to give credit to the poster for the idea:

Seems like we need to add some rule that you can send the link only after e.g. 10 messages or specific amount of time spent on the forum!

[dzungmobile]

No more newbie jail so if you see something bad from newbie posters, report it.

Read theymos' vision on newbies. They are welcome here and there are spaces for them to enjoy. They can be given time and chance to correct mistakes but if they don't change, ban hammer will drop on their accounts.

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

[Oshosondy]

This user is looking for ways to let people know his site that consists of casinos sites. But I do not know if it is legit or not legit but I have a good example for you which is this

Why not temporary ban coinmapai199264?

This user has more than 10 to 20 alts on this forum. He will leave and come back again. After he rested for like a week or two, he came back posting the malware file for people to download and he came again and again with multiple accounts all the time.

But if you see anything inappropriate, it is better to click on report to moderator and report instead. Moderators will review your reports and act on it.

[Upgrade00]

This is not a bad idea if the problem has become recurring enough and involves a large amount of the newbies who register on the forum. As it is, this is not a crisis situation as yet, mods are able to manage properly the handful of spammers who come online to share their links, there's no need at the moment to make major changes to the rules.

[Alone055]

Read theymos' vision on newbies. They are welcome here and there are spaces for them to enjoy. They can be given time and chance to correct mistakes but if they don't change, ban hammer will drop on their accounts.

I know that, but isn't his theory about genuine newbie users who join the forum intending to learn, grow, and stay?

This user has more than 10 to 20 alts on this forum. He will leave and come back again. After he rested for like a week or two, he came back posting the malware file for people to download and he came again and again with multiple accounts all the time.

That's what annoys me. I know that it might not be a huge problem, but I just thought maybe this could be reduced so that only genuine and legit services are promoted because projects and services that use such promotional methods can barely be genuine or legit.

[Pmalek]

I don't like the idea of adding new restrictions to newbies besides the ones the forum already has. If we want new people to come here, they shouldn't be treated like potential fraudsters and made to jump through hoops to be able to use the forum like the rest of us.

Advertising a site on the forum isn't against the rules if done right. But that advertisement might perhaps break other rules and be the reason why such posts could be deleted. If it's spam, off-topic, or advertisement in threads created by other users, you can report it as such and the mods will probably delete it.

I am not sure what the moderators do in situations where, for example, you gather proof of 10 brand-new accounts promoting and sharing the same links with some bullshit story as reason why they do it. Would those be deleted or are the reports left unhandled?

[Oshosondy]

That's what annoys me. I know that it might not be a huge problem, but I just thought maybe this could be reduced so that only genuine and legit services are promoted because projects and services that use such promotional methods can barely be genuine or legit.

Yes it is very annoying. But I noticed on this forum that even after they restricted newbies to some level, they still permit them to have freedom to post what they want. Also I noticed somethings that has been said for newbies to be restricted, the admin are not doing anything. You can see many newbies with loan request on the lending board. People have reported it that newbies should not be allowed to post there but nothing done till now. We should just leave some things as they are.

[Zaguru12]

That's what annoys me. I know that it might not be a huge problem, but I just thought maybe this could be reduced so that only genuine and legit services are promoted because projects and services that use such promotional methods can barely be genuine or legit.

The problem is how do you quantify which products or services is a legit one, we have seen accounts here who aren’t newbies promotes scam services or projects too. Although a restriction like this will reduce it but scammers will be scammers they will still wait to the certain time frame you suggested to be added before they do their deed. I definitely agree with no too much restrictions on newbies as others have stated. My own input is cases like that brought by Oshosondy shouldn’t be left untreated by the admins/mods.

Scams aren’t regulated here, last I check so we all should just be careful on clicking any links

[acroman08]

What we can do is to have a requirement after creating a new account for users to be able to post links, which means that if someone creates a new account, they shouldn't be able to post links unless they spend a specific amount of time in the forum like 24 hours or something. So if someone joins the forum being interested in the forum itself and plans to stay, they should be okay because they will have the requirement completed within a few days, and those who are doing these things won't be able to post links to promote specific services.

even if it is just a 24-hour restriction it could still deter newbies who actually like to learn or have questions, bitcointalk isn't the only platform where people talk about Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. I know the things that you mentioned can be annoying but if the forum wants to attract new people it shouldn't restrict them so much.

[electronicash]

doesn't anyone think Megan is a hired spammer from Fiverr and not really a newbie who wanted to learn?
i'm having doubts this sisi is not a sister. he is not coming back to reply to his thread for he already achieved what he is here for. when another contract is signed that will pay him per link, he will create another account with the name Zendaya once again.  

anyway, one link is not gonna help winwinbet.app but if several newbies come and post the same link and then disappear again. that's really something.

[Alpha Marine]

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Although this one is quite straightforward, you can often find users trying to twist it and make it a question and try to be genuinely concerned and ask for help from the community which we know isn't the case.

It's straightforward probably because it's AI-generated. 3 out of 6 of the AI detectors on @nutildah's "AI report report" thread confirms it. I've already reported the post to the moderator, hopefully, it gets taken down soon if truly confirmed to be AI-generated.

[stompix]

What we can do is to have a requirement after creating a new account for users to be able to post links, which means that if someone creates a new account, they shouldn't be able to post links unless they spend a specific amount of time in the forum like 24 hours or something. So if someone joins the forum being interested in the forum itself and plans to stay, they should be okay because they will have the requirement completed within a few days, and those who are doing these things won't be able to post links to promote specific services.

How is this going to stop them?
They will just create the account, wait for 24 hours make the post and be done with, it might deter your lonely manual copy-paste spammer that just wants to post as many ref links on as many websites as possible but it won't do much if some service really wants to spam the forum!
As soon as they learn that there is 24h delay they will adapt accordingly!

No more newbie jail so if you see something bad from newbie posters, report it.

Newbie jail has nothing to do with this, newbies still can't post images so what's the difference in restrictions?

[Fiatless]

That's what annoys me. I know that it might not be a huge problem, but I just thought maybe this could be reduced so that only genuine and legit services are promoted because projects and services that use such promotional methods can barely be genuine or legit.

Yes it is very annoying. But I noticed on this forum that even after they restricted newbies to some level, they still permit them to have freedom to post what they want. Also I noticed somethings that has been said for newbies to be restricted, the admin are not doing anything. You can see many newbies with loan request on the lending board. People have reported it that newbies should not be allowed to post there but nothing done till now. We should just leave some things as they are.

From the post of the forum's administrator, restricting the freedom of newbies will affect the community negatively. It is assumed that reducing the privileges of these newcomers can make them feel unwelcomed, which might make them leave the forum. I have also seen some posts by newbies that are just targeted at promoting some worthless services. For now, nothing can be done than to report to the moderator. I also assume that they can be given more severe punishment if they continue with this unethical behavior.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

We often see users creating accounts, more than one in most cases, and using them to advertise a certain platform, project, or app by starting new topics in different sections of the forum. What they do is make it sound like they are asking a genuine question or they are concerned about something or maybe doing some research about it, but it can be seen that they have no other intention but to promote what they are mentioning.

Can we assume for one man's transgressions as being applicable for others to also share in the consequences, not all newbies are shit posters, spammers or scammers, we can't just act blantly in such direction and take assumptions on that, I've seen a lot of newbies coming here with various opportunities and some are even taking more efforts in purchasing copper membership rank in other for them to be able to unleashed opportunities they brought in to this platform, but in case you detect any for abuse, make report to the moderators.

[Alone055]

Advertising a site on the forum isn't against the rules if done right.

That's the point. If a website, project, or service wants to advertise themselves in the forum, they should do it the right way by creating their ANN and properly announcing it for everyone to see and use if they want. What these newbie accounts do is surely not the right way to do it.

I am not sure what the moderators do in situations where, for example, you gather proof of 10 brand-new accounts promoting and sharing the same links with some bullshit story as reason why they do it. Would those be deleted or are the reports left unhandled?

They are handled, we have seen such things happening in the past where multiple accounts are created to shill a single project in a specific section, I started a topic regarding the issue previously.

You can see many newbies with loan request on the lending board. People have reported it that newbies should not be allowed to post there but nothing done till now. We should just leave some things as they are.

Well, I believe the loan issue isn't that big because a newbie with valid collateral can still get a loan, but this is a different thing altogether.

even if it is just a 24-hour restriction it could still deter newbies who actually like to learn or have questions

You probably didn't get it. The restriction wouldn't restrict newbies from asking questions or creating topics or making posts, it should only restrict them from posting links.

How is this going to stop them?
They will just create the account, wait for 24 hours make the post and be done with, it might deter your lonely manual copy-paste spammer that just wants to post as many ref links on as many websites as possible but it won't do much if some service really wants to spam the forum!
As soon as they learn that there is 24h delay they will adapt accordingly!

The 24-hour restriction isn't just 24 hours after the registration time, I'm talking about "Total time logged in" here, which means that they will need to spend at least 24 hours in total in the forum to be able to post links. So if a newbie spends 4 hours a day surfing the forum, they should be able to get through the restriction in 6 days.

Can we assume for one man's transgressions as being applicable for others to also share in the consequences, not all newbies are shit posters, spammers or scammers, we can't just act blantly in such direction and take assumptions on that, I've seen a lot of newbies coming here with various opportunities and some are even taking more efforts in purchasing copper membership rank in other for them to be able to unleashed opportunities they brought in to this platform, but in case you detect any for abuse, make report to the moderators.

As I mentioned in the OP, this isn't to restrict newbies who join the forum with a good purpose because I'm not suggesting a restriction that would stop newbies from making posts or asking questions or learn things around here, the restriction is only for those who create accounts, start a topic, and write some bullshit with a link to promote a service or something, it will only stop them from posting links and it shouldn't affect normal newbies.

[NotATether]

I oppose this. It will cause new platforms and hobbyists to leave Bitcointalk because they can't post links and may not want to buy a copper membership.

[Faisal2202]

No more newbie jail so if you see something bad from newbie posters, report it.

Read theymos' vision on newbies. They are welcome here and there are spaces for them to enjoy. They can be given time and chance to correct mistakes but if they don't change, ban hammer will drop on their accounts.

Thanks for sharing it with us as I did not know about it before. I am glad that Admin is concerned about the longevity of this forum haha I mean he did ban the marketing of obfuscation platforms which has reduced the number of active users drastically but with time it will increase. We should not impose strict rules on Newbies only and we should treat the forum equally.

If you want some rule to be imposed then ask admin to imply it on everyone not just on newbies. I mean admin's concerns are really appreicatble. If we will disheart or discourage or impose strict rules on newbies then how would they come to like this platform. Most of the ranked member are already replying to newbie like they (newbies) own them something and did not returned it from a long time. Means they don't give them much respect. Not everyone do it but most I saw they roast them for no reason.

[Mia Chloe]

No more newbie jail so if you see something bad from newbie posters, report it.

Read theymos' vision on newbies. They are welcome here and there are spaces for them to enjoy. They can be given time and chance to correct mistakes but if they don't change, ban hammer will drop on their accounts.

I agree a hundred percent with dzungmobile why the heck should newbies be restricted from posting links? The forum is an open and free space and if you feel worried about some newbies that spam with links why don't you take the personal duty of reporting them?
Infact if there were no spam posts to be nuked, of low quality posts to be deleted of what importance will the moderators be? . As far as I am concerned as well as there are newbies that spam and scam so there are also those genuinely here to learn and also express themselves via discussions.
Newbies have been restricted from posting images, using avatars and signature and I believe it's quite ok.

[acroman08]

even if it is just a 24-hour restriction it could still deter newbies who actually like to learn or have questions

You probably didn't get it. The restriction wouldn't restrict newbies from asking questions or creating topics or making posts, it should only restrict them from posting links.

I know you are talking about links, I even highlighted the part where you mentioned that the 24-hour restriction you are talking about is restricting newbies from posting links. so I am not sure why you think I didn't get it.

also, your reply to stompix just made the restriction you want to put on newbies much worse.

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Implementing this restriction could reduce spam while still fostering a welcoming environment for new users. It encourages genuine participation and ensures that link sharing is more likely to come from users who have invested time in understanding the forum and the community.

Pros: A time-based restriction on link posting for new users could reduce some of the drive-by spam we see. It would also encourage genuine newbies to stick around and participate before promoting anything.
Cons: As others mentioned, a simple time limit might be easy for determined spammers to work around. Also, we want to be welcoming to new users who might have a legitimate question with a link.