[BC.Game] Maxbet strange nonsense

[aliveNFT]

I wrote about it in their topic, but was ignored, maybe someone will explain what is going on here? also I wrote to them a year ago in a Live chat, but no one was interested to even explain.

The nonsense is that the "honest Bc.game casino" does not have a maximum bet limit, but has a maximum win limit, which makes it absurd.

Eg:
The maximum bet (266.72 BTC, information at the time of the post)
Maximum fixed winnings (13.34 BTC information at the time of the post)

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.

Question:
Can such a huge casino afford to have such a function, which in fact is, if not to call it a trick, then directly a scam for inattentive players.

Decision:
Set the maximum bet equivalent to the maximum win if you want to be called an honest casino.

Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something, I'll be glad to figure it out.


Playing with JB to show an example:

Example of  bet with BTC

[Odohu]

I wrote about it in their topic, but was ignored, maybe someone will explain what is going on here? also I wrote to them a year ago in a Live chat, but no one was interested to even explain.

The nonsense is that the "honest Bc.game casino" does not have a maximum bet limit, but has a maximum win limit, which makes it absurd.

Eg:
The maximum bet (266.72 BTC, information at the time of the post)
Maximum fixed winnings (13.34 BTC information at the time of the post)

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.

Question:
Can such a huge casino afford to have such a function, which in fact is, if not to call it a trick, then directly a scam for inattentive players.

It is only someone gambling under the influence of alcohol or perhaps drugs that will place a bet of 266.72 BTC to win 13.34 BTC. Maybe BC.game intentionally program their system that way to fight against gambling under the influence of alcohol or drugs.  Good a thing you know the maximum you can possibly win, if you decide to donate funds to the casino which is good for their business continuity, then your bet amount can exceed the maximum win.

Decision:
Set the maximum bet equivalent to the maximum win if you want to be called an honest casino.

Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something, I'll be glad to figure it out.

My simple advice is that if 13.34 BTC is too small for you to win in a single set, place several bets each of whose win equal the maximum win and you will be fine.

Nevertheless, BC.game might just be fighting gambling addiction or money laundering through these very case of which it might seem not right when viewed superficially, but I do not have a problem with that because at the point of submitting your bet, max win will be shown and if you go ahead to submit the bet, then thank you for the wonderful donation and if not a donation, your eye will clear later  

Meanwhile, in my humble opinion, this issue does not qualify to be a reputation issue.

[Igebotz]

If you don't like how they set the rules, move on to the next casino. Their casino, their rules; there are thousands of casinos to be wakinwakin for a certain casino's rules. I've been playing there, and I'm fine with whatever the max bet/ max payout rules; it's unlikely that I'll ever win 13.34BTC or stake anything near 266.72 BTC, even in my next life. 

Op if you want to place above their max bet, go out there and look for casinos offering unlimited stake and payout. They exist.

[Smartvirus]

The maximum bet (266.72 BTC, information at the time of the post)
Maximum fixed winnings (13.34 BTC information at the time of the post)

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.

Question:
Can such a huge casino afford to have such a function, which in fact is, if not to call it a trick, then directly a scam for inattentive players.

Well, that’s something that shouldn’t be but, you never can tell if you haven’t tried right?
For all we know, it could only read on the adjustable meter and once the bet is placed, it might automatically reject the transaction or rest to an acceptable minimum. That’s my best guess!

I have had to try a deposit way beyond maximum at any one time before and though the meter allowed me to set my parameters, it rejected on authorization. Same goes to placing a bet at one time. Did this using a local bookie and the stake was rejected.

Possibly, in the absence of a clear maximum stake which I’m not sure is none existent, the system would be there to limit what stake is acceptable within the maximum win. Let me read BC.Games T&C to verify on maximum stake.

Without any clear lines, I think this could apply in cases as stated in OP. Quote from BC.Games T&C.

4.7. BC.GAME reserves the right to reject or limit wagers. The user is not permitted to wager an amount exceeding his/her personal account. Wins are credited to the personal account of the user.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

it's unlikely that I'll ever win 13.34BTC or stake anything near 266.72 BTC, even in my next life. 

Go back 10 years, you will LOL

But whoever was setting the variables, they were drinking too much at that evening 😂

[Igebotz]

it's unlikely that I'll ever win 13.34BTC or stake anything near 266.72 BTC, even in my next life. 

Go back 10 years, you will LOL

But whoever was setting the variables, they were drinking too much at that evening 😂

If only we could travel back in time to when early bitcoiners sold pizza for thousands of Bitcoin, hawking Bitcoin on the Internet like local market women. Not happening .

Cannot blame BC.Game I believe their current casino worth is 13.34BTC, and if somebody is foolish enough to max wager 266.72BTC in order to win 13.34BTC, they will pay you, keep the change, and open another casino.

If anyone thinks he's bag is big enough come to Stake.com 

[Poker Player]

As much as some of the ToS say here, a ToS cannot impose something illegal. If the maximum you can pay is 13.34 BTC you should not accept bets that exceed a theoretical payout of that figure hiding behind the maximum. In the example above, what the software has to do is not to let you bet that figure 266.72 BTC.

I guess the real case has not been given and therefore nobody has complained.

But I can tell you that in bet 365 that does not happen, nor in the Pokestars casino. Those things happen in the ToS of casinos that have a Curaçao license, because if it was a casino that has a UK license for example, that would not happen. And in the event that a casino accepted a bet that it could not pay, no matter what it says on the ToS, the UKGC would intervene.

[LoyceV]

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.
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Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something

Usually, this means you can't bet more than 13.34 BTC on 2x. So if you try, you should get a popup telling you it's not allowed.

[aliveNFT]

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.
~
Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something

Usually, this means you can't bet more than 13.34 BTC on 2x. So if you try, you should get a popup telling you it's not allowed.

Really? It turns out that I can do this with a JB coin, but I won't be able to do it with a real currency? Okay, then I'll close this topic because it doesn't make sense.

[Igebotz]

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.
~
Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something

Usually, this means you can't bet more than 13.34 BTC on 2x. So if you try, you should get a popup telling you it's not allowed.

Really? It turns out that I can do this with a JB coin, but I won't be able to do it with a real currency? Okay, then I'll close this topic because it doesn't make sense.

What's JB? Cause I tried it on multiple football games and I wasn't allowed to stake more than 1.8BTC ( tried with 3x BTW). Seems I'm late to the party....

[aliveNFT]

With a 2x chance and a bet of 266.72 BTC, you will lose the entire balance, and if you win, you will receive a maximum win of 13.34 BTC, which is not 2x, but only a fixed win.
~
Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something

Usually, this means you can't bet more than 13.34 BTC on 2x. So if you try, you should get a popup telling you it's not allowed.

Really? It turns out that I can do this with a JB coin, but I won't be able to do it with a real currency? Okay, then I'll close this topic because it doesn't make sense.

What's JB? Cause I tried it on multiple football games and I wasn't allowed to stake more than 1.8BTC ( tried with 3x BTW). Seems I'm late to the party....

Then how i put that bet (screenshot with JB)
Try it in this game, https://bcgame.sk/game/ultimate-dice

[PX-Z]

The nonsense is that the "honest Bc.game casino" does not have a maximum bet limit, but has a maximum win limit, which makes it absurd.

This is actually a common rule for any casino not exclusively for bc.game, so you need to at least agreed to it or use other casino instead.

It is only someone gambling under the influence of alcohol or perhaps drugs that will place a bet of 266.72 BTC to win 13.34 BTC.

I usually use it to increase the odds of chance of winning, but not with that kind of number of bets. So it's not totally absurd.

What's JB? Cause I tried it on multiple football games and I wasn't allowed to stake more than 1.8BTC ( tried with 3x BTW). Seems I'm late to the party....

It's like a play money in bc.game like only for try outs, and you can only use it on specific kind of games.

[Igebotz]

What's JB? Cause I tried it on multiple football games and I wasn't allowed to stake more than 1.8BTC ( tried with 3x BTW). Seems I'm late to the party....

Then how i put that bet (screenshot with JB)
Try it in this game, https://bcgame.sk/game/ultimate-dice

Because you accepted the terms and proceeded with the unusual stake. If you fail to read instructions, then that's your problem.

[aliveNFT]

What's JB? Cause I tried it on multiple football games and I wasn't allowed to stake more than 1.8BTC ( tried with 3x BTW). Seems I'm late to the party....

Then how i put that bet (screenshot with JB)
Try it in this game, https://bcgame.sk/game/ultimate-dice

Because you accepted the terms and proceeded with the unusual stake. If you fail to read instructions, then that's your problem.
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Even if it's a warning, as an agent who will come to your house and tell you about the rules. No casino should take a bet the equivalent of which it cannot pay out. in the "line" of entering the amount, it must be automatically formatted for the maximum amount equivalent to the maximum win.
It's obvious, damn it)

[Poker Player]

Even if it's a warning, as an agent who will come to your house and tell you about the rules. No casino should take a bet the equivalent of which it cannot pay out. in the "line" of entering the amount, it must be automatically formatted for the maximum amount equivalent to the maximum win.
It's obvious, damn it)

No matter how much some bot may insist, if there is a ToS that asks for something illegal, it is null and void. If a ToS says that to make a withdrawal you have to give a kidney, they are illegal, and if they say that there is a maximum withdrawal smaller than what you can win, and they allow you to bet more, they are also illegal. As LoyceV says and I have pointed out before, the software does not have to allow you to make the bet, and if it does, in any civilized country, if you win and the casino does not pay you, it is in big trouble.

[Little Mouse]

Because you accepted the terms and proceeded with the unusual stake. If you fail to read instructions, then that's your problem.

Does that mean you can bet 266.72 BTC and lose it all if you lose the bet?

OP, you may have a look at this discussion- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206650.0

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Decision:
Set the maximum bet equivalent to the maximum win if you want to be called an honest casino.

Share your opinion, maybe I'm misunderstanding something, I'll be glad to figure it out.

For me, I will say that I see nothing wrong with this, because casino is a business, and as such, we should all know that the primary aim of every business is to maximize profit, of which I think that's why the maximum bet is more than the maximum win. Hence, it's left for any gambler with his/she right sense not to gamble anything equal or above it's maximum win, because of you mistakenly do so, it's still the exact amount you will be paid if you win. So it doesn't make any sense, and yet that doesn't make them dishonest or scammers, until proven otherwise.

[shield132]

I completely understand your concern but you also ignore the part that by keeping 266 BTC max bet, users can bet 266 BTC on dice with 98% win chance and 1.0102 payout. With 266 btc bet, they can win 2.7132 BTC.
I only agree with you on the part that 266 BTC is too much of a bet but I can't see anything wrong there. Maybe there are players who want to bet max amount and play with highest win chance but I find it a little unethical when difference between max win and max bet is 20 times big and I think it's ironic if they really expect someone to deposit and roll 266 Bitcoin in a single bet.

[yahoo62278]

Kind of seems like maybe they are using kelly criterion and you can only win a certain % of the bankroll at 1 time. In this case looks like 1-200th is the max win. Can you confirm if you win 13btc or any amount does the max win change?

[Zwei]

I completely understand your concern but you also ignore the part that by keeping 266 BTC max bet, users can bet 266 BTC on dice with 98% win chance and 1.0102 payout. With 266 btc bet, they can win 2.7132 BTC.
I only agree with you on the part that 266 BTC is too much of a bet but I can't see anything wrong there. Maybe there are players who want to bet max amount and play with highest win chance but I find it a little unethical when difference between max win and max bet is 20 times big and I think it's ironic if they really expect someone to deposit and roll 266 Bitcoin in a single bet.

his concern is valid, let me give you an example:

you bet $10 on a 2x payout and win $10
his concern here is that even if you bet more, say $50 on the same 2x payout, you still only win $10

you shouldn't be able to do that, since you are basically donating money to the casino

the accepted bet amount should bever be more than: profit / (payout - 1)

Because you accepted the terms and proceeded with the unusual stake. If you fail to read instructions, then that's your problem.

the right thing to do here is not to accept the bet, rather than showing a pop up with an option that enables you to still place the bet knowing that you will not get the full amount when you win.
this is textbook dark patterns.