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June 09, 2024, 10:25:46 AM
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I know that many experienced sports bettors place the greatest importance on the strength of teams (in team sports) or the strength of individual players (in individual sports). They believe that this is what plays a decisive role, and not other factors. For example, the advantage of home games only appears in competition between approximately equal teams. And when teams or players are not equal in strength, then comparing the strength of the teams becomes of primary importance. You may also cite other factors, such as:
1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.
Some other sport-specific factors. For example, for tennis, the surface on which the game is played matters - artificial or natural.
 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?

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June 09, 2024, 10:32:03 AM
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Outsiders can win experienced team because experienced team can perform below expectation and later perform good. No matter how some teams are good, they can be won at their home at anytime, even by an underdog. We have seen many of these matches and which let us know that no matter how sure we know a team can win, out prediction can still be wrong.

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June 09, 2024, 10:45:37 AM
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I know that many experienced sports bettors place the greatest importance on the strength of teams (in team sports) or the strength of individual players (in individual sports). They believe that this is what plays a decisive role, and not other factors. For example, the advantage of home games only appears in competition between approximately equal teams. And when teams or players are not equal in strength, then comparing the strength of the teams becomes of primary importance. You may also cite other factors, such as:
1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.
Some other sport-specific factors. For example, for tennis, the surface on which the game is played matters - artificial or natural.
 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
Just like you rightly stated, many factors are used in rating the strength of a team or player. Those you mentioned are correct and are part of what I look at in making my selection. I will only add few others for the sake of this discussion.

  • For a football team, you have to add the home and away factor, match schedules(if they have external competition such as UCL), the weather condition(teams going away to where the weather is different from theirs will be affected by the change of environment), their recent form which comprise of their winning or losing mentality and ease of scoring or conceding. There are some teams that will be in their top scoring form, just like Arsenal was towards the end of last season.
  • For individual events such as tennis,  weather condition can also play a part as well as recent form. If the player have been playing in high spirit, that will definitely show in the results. Also if they have busy schedule without enough rest, it will show in their performance
So weather condition, match schedule and recent form are part of the things I need to add to the list you already gave.

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June 09, 2024, 10:51:40 AM
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The strength of a team varies in different matches and that is sometimes based on the club that they are playing and their motivation in that particular match. Nobody is perfect and so are the clubs, sometimes these strong clubs underestimate the underdogs that want to play with them, and when they get to the field unprepared, the opposite will be the case.

A team with good strength needs to take every match more serious than the previous match even if their opponent is an undergo for them to be able to maintain their strength, otherwise, the undergo might win them. We have seen it playing out in football matches this season.

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June 09, 2024, 10:54:39 AM
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I don't include coach as one of the factor.

For judges and referees, it's really important especially in unpopular leagues. Many judges and referees in unpopular leagues mostly give advantage to the home court.

Team is consist of many players, so if there's at least one player injured, it will affect the whole team.

Season of the year or weather can be a factor too, but honestly I don't really think it will affect a lot.

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June 09, 2024, 11:11:20 AM
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It's the main factor. But it doesn't mean that it equates to 100% of the factors involved, nor does it mean that it's a 100% guarantee that the stronger team would win. There's always going to be that humane factor where the players themselves just become gods for some specific instances, which is incalculable in terms of statistics, compared to players, coaches and the like which are. Even referees! The term Black Horses came about for a reason after all. Not to mention that it's only public data. Maybe a new player comes in, meshes well with the team and becomes the glue that lets them perform 150% more than they usually would.

I don't consider surface stuff like the venue though, that's just stretching it imo.

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June 09, 2024, 11:53:45 AM
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I also do prioritize the strength of teams or individual players, as it often plays a decisive role in determining the result of a match.

Rankings are a useful way to gauge the strength of teams or players, but they aren't the sole indicator. Team form, head-to-head records, and even psychological factors can provide additional insights into potential outcomes. For instance, a team on a winning streak might perform better than its ranking suggests, while a team in a slump might underperform despite a high ranking.

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June 09, 2024, 12:13:24 PM
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 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?

Yes it is an indication but there are other small factors that bettors should consider that will sometimes play out and sometimes many bettors are missing, one of these is the home court advantage there is such a thing as an upset because the stronger team has overlooked the other team's motivation.

So when betting inside story within a team is something to consider so always keep an ear on an inside story that could have a factor of a weak player beating a strong team.

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June 09, 2024, 12:23:00 PM
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What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams?
The strength of a team is determined by the strength of the individuals who make up the team. When you compare how good it bad a football team is in defense, midfield and attack you get an aggregate of how good the entire team is. You also can't directly compare strength of individual players in team sports. If team A has great attackers, same as Team B, when comparing them you'll need to also factor in the defense of both teams to know which attack has the most chance to be effective.

This makes the strength of the team the main factor in team sports.

And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
It depends on every other factor involved, especially the form of both teams. If the better overall team are in terrible form and the underdogs are in great form, the underdogs have a good chance to win.
Remember you cannot predict 100% the outcome in advance, not even for the favourite team to win.

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June 09, 2024, 12:39:34 PM
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The rankings are the total grade or score on the superiority of one's team and players in the league or organization the factors that you listed are considered but sometimes upsets do happen, and these factors are not evident you must have an insight and an inside knowledge about the competing team to weigh in the probability of a strong team or player getting beaten by a weak team or player.

Some experts in the game can see this upset factor coming from a third party, and of course, there's always a possibility of game fixing because upset is not a common occurrence.

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What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
The strength of a team or players is the main criterion for gamblers when betting. Nobody will want to bet on a weak team regardless of the love or respect you have for the club. Even fans of a team might even bet against them if they are not doing well. I know many Chelsea fans who don't care about the love they have for the Blues but bet against them because of their poor performance.

Some bettors also rely on the history or head-to-head of both teams. We will have to determine how many times both teams have met and the outcomes. In most cases, clubs that have the highest win are favorites to bet on.

Apart from off-the-pitch performance, the coach/player and player/relationship is also important. If the coach is having problems with some key players of the club, such a team will be unpredictable this is because the players might not give their best. If there are also conflicts between major players like we had in PSG when Neymar, Messi, and Mbappe were there, betting on them might be risky. We have had occasions where players intentionally underperform because they don't like the coach and want him to be sacked.

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What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?

I believe rankings already cover all the factors that you mention since you will not be ranked at top if you don’t possess such as strength to dominate other teams. Rankings is the summary of the team strength comparison which is why it’s the most common factor that being use by odds provider for the bets they offered.

I believe those specific factor only matters if the team/player rank inconsistently depending on the season.

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 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not?

I think everything still rounds up to the player because we are talking about the performance of an individual player before they are put together as team performance. So if a player is not performing well, it will definitely affect the team.

Have we also considered the rancour that goes on in the team? Some players are envious or in enmity with another player and so may not be easily be distributing passes to the other player. Also, some times some group of players have some challenges with the coach or coaching crew and so they won't give their best because they feel if they do then they won't be giving out the right message to the coach, fans and the world that they don't like the coach. So all of these affect the team ranking.


Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?

Ranking itself those not stand on it own because it is made up of so many factors including those which you have listed. Before a team is ranked, it must have been scrutinized against different factors before such ranking will be arrived at. Therefore, a gambler won't just look at the ranking of the team as it is or as it is published rather he will also consider the current factors that sum up the ranking against other teams.

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Every sport bettors do have their factors of considering a prediction but it is agreed that most of these factors is based on the team as a whole and not players because an expected player to deliver the team might not be possibly active on every of the games. It could be as a curse of the player (s) sustaining injuries or needed a rest or other reasons.

So considering an individual player to be a strong hold on your prediction could give you a disappointment because you are not the coach to decide who plays or not.
This is not really that considering players individually does not proffer advantage to the better because also, per individual is still the one to bring victory to the team.

It all just goes vice versa because football and the sport games are unpredictable not until a popular and more strengthened team comes and opposition to a lower team before you could possibly assume that a particular team is potential to loose while the other is potential to win

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Sports betting is not about a particular team it is all about multiple teams. While betting you will need to analyze the performance of multiple teams, multiple players, and their forms. Betting on sports was never a particular team in perspective, it is all about betting on every team after due analysis and understanding of their performance through data of their past performance. That does include the performance of players and how an individual of any team led to their win. Do your due diligence research and then come up with a good topic.

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There are different factors to compare among teams to know or feel convince of which team is with a better chance of winning a match. Just as previous comments above have explained many of them which are very true in considering on getting a bet win especially in football, but I just want to add that the fan base too really support in boasting the moral of a team to spur on in winning a match. Although this factor is one spontaneous factor that just suddenly happens while the game is going on. The high spirit of chants from the fans does also have a positive impact in how the players moral and mentality about the game gets on.

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Sports betting is not about a particular team it is all about multiple teams. While betting you will need to analyze the performance of multiple teams, multiple players, and their forms. Betting on sports was never a particular team in perspective, it is all about betting on every team after due analysis and understanding of their performance through data of their past performance. That does include the performance of players and how an individual of any team led to their win. Do your due diligence research and then come up with a good topic.
In sports betting you it's not compulsory you bet on multiple teams you can chose to bet on a single team, it's only when you want to make a parlay bet that you have to choose to do analysis on multiple teams. Furthermore, Op is asking about the factors to check out for as a heads-up in determining which team will win a particular match before the match kicks off and not when the game is already ended and results gotten.



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June 09, 2024, 02:59:52 PM
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Before betting on any particular match we all give importance to the prediction. When it comes to sports betting, we usually give the highest importance to rankings in predicting team strength. A bettor is not only betting on a particular game. There are many games where he wants to bet and at that time he focuses on ranking first to make quick predictions. I give most importance to ranking and player performance. Because in some matches those teams do not get the expected victory despite being ahead in ranking. The performance of the team considering the home ground advantage and various reasons.

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June 09, 2024, 03:01:10 PM
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I know that many experienced sports bettors place the greatest importance on the strength of teams (in team sports) or the strength of individual players (in individual sports). They believe that this is what plays a decisive role, and not other factors. For example, the advantage of home games only appears in competition between approximately equal teams. And when teams or players are not equal in strength, then comparing the strength of the teams becomes of primary importance. You may also cite other factors, such as:
1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.
Some other sport-specific factors. For example, for tennis, the surface on which the game is played matters - artificial or natural.
 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
You may as well consider using statistics because numbers won't lie. In some sports team wherein veterans are in one team, they don't guarantee championship still. Downside on this is the ego of these so called veterans that they are fighting for the spotlight. A team playing as one would still be a better pick in my opinion because logically, their outputs are more efficient like not putting that much of an individual effort to score which makes them last more minutes since efforts are distributed to the whole team. And overall team chemistry is basically represented by their team statistics within the league or let's say during a tournament. Although it won't still guarantee for a winning bet but at least it would be giving us a better chance to avoid losing.

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June 09, 2024, 03:20:20 PM
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Sports betting is not about a particular team it is all about multiple teams. While betting you will need to analyze the performance of multiple teams, multiple players, and their forms. Betting on sports was never a particular team in perspective, it is all about betting on every team after due analysis and understanding of their performance through data of their past performance. That does include the performance of players and how an individual of any team led to their win. Do your due diligence research and then come up with a good topic.
In sports betting you it's not compulsory you bet on multiple teams you can chose to bet on a single team, it's only when you want to make a parlay bet that you have to choose to do analysis on multiple teams. Furthermore, Op is asking about the factors to check out for as a heads-up in determining which team will win a particular match before the match kicks off and not when the game is already ended and results gotten.
You did not understand what pakhitheboss is talking about at all. He is not talking about betting on multiple teams and he is not talking about parley. He is talking about doing analysis on many teams before selecting. If you like you can select just one match or go for parley or any bet of your choice. But I agree with you that what OP asked is kind of different from what he posted but he did not post about parley betting.

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June 09, 2024, 03:22:52 PM
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In fact, if someone wants to gamble, especially in sports betting, in general, of course people will judge and consider what you said.

Team strength as the main predictor.
This is the most important factor before carrying out activities, the key team is to determine games that can produce good points or scores during the match, especially betting on soccer, basketball, etc.

In contrast to boxing or tennis, these two sports, they tend to assess before placing a bet their assessment of the opponent and their career while they are in the match and the assessment of opponents who have competed.

then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
As far as I know, this rarely happens, even though it happens 1/10, it is difficult for an experienced team to be beaten by a new/mediocre team in predictions during a match.

Facts in the field are often found, whereas experience often calls the winner.
Bottom line: capital The strength of the team is the best key assessment for you to consider before gambling.

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