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June 21, 2024, 12:48:23 PM
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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

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June 21, 2024, 12:59:07 PM
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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?
No.

Even just playing with numbers that would appear more frequently then others, that doesn't really reduce the number of combinations enough, or in a way it would be in any way profitable to play a lottery. Overwhelming changes are just lose with every bet.

And just ask yourself this: If there would be "sure numbers", why wouldn't people knowing those, use them to win for themselves instead of selling them? Because it doesn't work, that's why.

It just looks cool in a paper to say that technically with this you have a better change of winning. But in reality it's similar to saying you have twice as changes to win with 2 bet then with one bets. And forgetting that with 2 bets your changes are still slim to none. And you can count these "experienced forecasters" as scammers as well, because they know what they are doing is not effective in any way.

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June 21, 2024, 01:06:01 PM
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Calculations cannot help in the game of luck. You can try to get the probability of winning and how many games you will need to lay in a single round to give yourself a higher chance of winning, but you still need to put in millions to even begin to barely swing the odds in your favor.

Sentiments like this is the hope that keeps people playing such games. It builds expectation with each round and when they are unsuccessful they begin to plan for the next.

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June 21, 2024, 01:07:12 PM
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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?
It is done in a way it can not be calculated. If anyone tells you that they can calculate it and telling you to find a way to get the number from them, it is a lie or they are trying to scam you. You can only guess it. If you are lucky, would win it but the luck is very low which makes more people to continue to lose while the what you called baba Ijebu will make more money from people.

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June 21, 2024, 01:17:16 PM
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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?
Being a Nigerian myself and having played the same game you are talking about several times in the past, all I have to say that all those number predictions and or forecasting are all nothing but a guess work, it is just like predicting the crypto market, that Bitcoin will go down or up, sometimes, one can do this correctly while other times, one can be wrong with prediction.

Those who spend their hard earned money buying the sure numbers are the ultimate fools here, because they spend their money paying for something they could have done themselves.
Mathematical calculations doesnt help or add to one being able come up with a set of numbers that will play in this type of lotto games, it's all guess work like I've said before, and you should know that we live in a world where many people like being busy, even while doing nothing.

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June 21, 2024, 02:07:07 PM
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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Machine computation will not be that easy to calculate if not that those doing that and selling out numbers to others who are gullible are just doing that for the financial gain because they are just doing guess work. It is just like those who sell out results of matches on telegram too, they are just doing that for the money or else how do you get the assurance of the result of a match that is yet to commence. It is just about random guess and not anything close to scientific proof even though sometimes the bets or prediction turn out positive. So Lotto is still part of gambling and it depends on luck to win your Lotto ticket. If it was not luck based then forecasters too would have been betting on the game directly. They also like and want money do why sell out what will make you rich? Thus, this should be a philosophy that would make someone understand that forecasters are only for the money.

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June 21, 2024, 02:39:52 PM
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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

There have been a lot of scammers who claim to have sure odds or games and I wonder why people still believe that there's someone out there who would give you a game that would win over thousands in dollars and not ask for something in return. Yes in Nigeria, the baba ijebu is a very popular game that wey one knows about. It's one of the easiest way of trying out your luck in the country. Anyone can play just know how to predict good games for that day and you are in. I've seen some people who also say that they got games from their dreams that I don't know how possible but they sometimes do actually win. We can't say for sure what is real or not. But gambling is just about predictions and random guesses nothing else. If there was a mathematical calculation for gambling, then alot of our scholars out there might have gotten the trick and by now making good millions from gambling.

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June 21, 2024, 02:43:40 PM
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If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets



Busy calculating what? Calculating the probability of winning doesn’t increase your chance of winning on lottery nor choosing the number combination since the result is pure random. Even if you use random generator number will give same equal chance when you manually pick as long as you purchased the same ticket amount.

The number of ticket determines your chance of winning assuming that all the tickets will have different number combinations.

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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

People can calculate the probability but there’s no way to predict the exact outcome.

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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?
As far as I'm concerned, lotto is a guess work and depend entirely on luck but somehow, I have see a couple of friends who claimed that they had won lotto through a sequence they developed by themselves. One told me he has a special session he play certain numbers based on his sequence and his win rate have been fantastic.  Nevertheless, I have tried it myself and saw nothing sequential about lotto, so I will not allow anyone convince me otherwise because I truly believe it is entirely a game of chance.

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June 21, 2024, 03:10:54 PM
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I just heard that people can calculating the probability of the combinations of numbers that can wins but not many people can calculates with right and gives that wins to them. Many people just wrong in the calculation and makes them losses their money.

It needs experience to have that skills so they can predict the right numbers that can gives them wins. But some people can guessing with right and only pick random number combinations and that's because their luck comes in the right time. We can see that some people can hit the jackpot while they don't knows about calculating the combination of the numbers. But they are lucky enough to wins the jackpot and bring the money to home.

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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

These don't come under calculations, they are just predicting what is the number of possible outcomes and there are different types of lotteries available all over the world and I even remember I bought a few tickets from one of my colleagues and he always does this so-called predicting and simply over superstitious beliefs like the number they feel as luckier for them or the number they see in the boards or anywhere, etc.

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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

When we buy lottery tickets, inorder to win it actually depends on how the winning numbers are derived.
Sometimes the winning numbers are calculated using specific algorithms and if a person finds out the algorithm then he can calculate the winning numbers as well.
The other times, it's just luck that is required and despite the calculations, people don't win the lottery.
So from my POV, it depends on how the winning numbers are derived.

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June 21, 2024, 03:29:38 PM
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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?
It is difficult for humans to predict an exact number that a machine will produce unless that person faking the predictions is thee person tampering with it or it's just a lucky guess. If mathematical calculations really work in these sort of gambling, many mathematicians will have focused their attention there so that they can quickly become millionaires from it, exercising their mathematical knowledge.

So from my POV, it depends on how the winning numbers are derived.
Even if the numbers follow in a series or in a sequence, chances of being correct from any formulae is still very small.

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I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

It is common to see these professional lotto predictors with numbers in motor parks and other public places offering numbers for some payments. The funniest part of the situation is that they look very poor and wretched and one will wonder why they have not used the sure numbers to get rich from lotto.

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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

I am not a fan of lotto but I usually see gamblers checking some books filled with numbers. They will use a pen and keep calculating until they come up with some numbers. It is possible that they doing some arithmetic or doing some analysis. But some of the people I have seen who won are illiterates who have low levels of mathematical knowledge. So I can also deduce that luck plays a key role in lotto games.

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June 21, 2024, 03:39:37 PM
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In my country I believe that there are more lotto shops and kiosks than sports bet shops, most Nigerians will be familiar with the popular Baba Ijebu lotto. If you come closer to any of these lotto shops and kiosks, you will notice gamblers of all ages, young and old busy calculating and coming up with probable combinations of numbers that can win. I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers. Some times they win or one number or arrangements can spoil their tickets

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Lottery games or lottery betting for me personally are numbers that will come out randomly and thus, of course,  it will be difficult to make calculations. Moreover, if the game is played with a machine, then ofcourse it or the lottery machine can also be set and thus,it will still be difficult to make such random calculations. But, if for example they win maybe on several occasions,  then I think that also only happens when they are lucky. After all, games like that are basically not about calculations, but about luck. It doesn't matter whether you have good calculations in your personal  opinion,  because the results will still be difficult to determine or calculate the numbers that come out according to the calculations carried out.

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June 21, 2024, 03:46:44 PM
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No, they can't. Most of those numbers that are being sold just got lucky. There's no way we can calculate the lotto results because they are rigged.
The system knows what numbers are not picked and so those numbers will come out. Or, they will just let the minimum wins and try and urge more people to bet for the lotto game. It becomes more appealing when a person wins some even though it cannot cover all the losses that a person made. He will be hopeful and so he will try over and over again.

I don't like gambling in lotto. The probability of winning is way low and it might take you years or decades before you can hit the jackpot, most of the time you will not in your lifetime.
My grandfather died without even hitting it although he had his pet numbers intact and he bets for it every time there's a lottery pick.

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I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers.
you might as well call those "experienced forecasters" as scammers because that is what they are. if these "sure numbers" are actually real there is no way those people will sell them, they will get more money from winning the lottery than selling their "sure numbers".

Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?
you can't calculate what numbers will show up because the picking process is random. the "calculation" they are doing is most likely just looking for patterns or which numbers usually show up as winning numbers.

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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

Depends much on where the entropy of the machine is coming from and whether the machine has an actual random.number generator or not. There is always a small chance the machine itself could be suffering a glitch of a technical problem which does not allow it to draw truly random results, but rather pull off numbers in a slight pattern, which could be noticed by some gamblers and take advantage of it.
As far as statistics go, and if the machines are truly random, the mathematical calculations will only help to have a glance on the chances one has to win based on a fixed number of possible results, not much beyond that.

If someone starts to analyze and realizes some numbers have appeared more in the past than others, then that is a different thing.

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It is done in a way it can not be calculated. You can only guess it. If you are lucky, would win it but the luck is very low which makes more people to continue to lose while the what you called baba Ijebu will make more money from people.
Yeah and I think it's obvious. So, I find it funny when OP actually thinks that a person can predict it. As for calculations, it is possible but it's only to find out that our chances of winning is still very slim. We can only continue losing if we will also continue depositing money but I think some wouldn't care at all because they think the ticket price is only small compared to the jackpot prize that they can get and if ever there are people who will realize their total expense and quit, there might still be new people that replaces their positions and this makes the lotto company to continue operating for a long time.

If anyone tells you that they can calculate it and telling you to find a way to get the number from them, it is a lie or they are trying to scam you
Yeah, there are people like this and it's crazy that there are also people who believe them and are willing to give them a tip. They don't know that it was only a co-incident that have happened last time.

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Do you think that people can calculate and predict the numbers that machines draw or they're just guessing and picking random number combinations?

No, unless the draw is rigged.  No mathematical calculation or probability formula can calculate the exact result of a lotto draw.  This is also the reason why the fraudster sells their forecast to other people in order to earn money.  If it is the case that the result can be mathematically calculated then these people will never sell their calculated result and hoard it for themselves.  Winning a lottery draw is way more profitable than selling their calculation but due to the fact that they know themselves that the calculation can't actually tell the next lottery draw result, they sell it to people to get money.

Any winnings from the said calculation is just a coincidence in my opinion and there is nothing more than that.

I notice that experienced forecasters and even scammers sells "sure numbers" and other gamblers will pay money to buy these numbers.
you might as well call those "experienced forecasters" as scammers because that is what they are. if these "sure numbers" are actually real there is no way those people will sell them, they will get more money from winning the lottery than selling their "sure numbers".

I have the same thought here, instead of selling they will rather win the lottery draw.

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