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June 27, 2024, 10:23:25 AM
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It is a tricky and very sensitive topic to talk about soldiers and the mental burden there is on them, because of the stuff they witness everyday and they horror they have to overcome every night.  So I believe I would support measures like this one to restrict active combatants from gambling while in the front and also ,I would be in favor of enhancing the access to mental health facilities and services to those who are currently dealing with depression, or trauma because of the thing seen in the front.
Leaving a side note, I would be okey with soldiers who are retired and are back home to have access to gambling and casinos, but after they are psychologically checked and are believed not to suffer from any lingering effect because of the service they gave to their homeland.
I agree with you, Maybe in some cases they need the pleasure of gambling to suppress the mental burden of the tension and horror of military activities, but if talking about gambling being used as a tool for the sole purpose of seeking pleasure and for mental pressure medication it is the wrong thing, if the soldier is an active soldier, yes except as you said, if the soldier is retired then of course he is free to do any activity in his retirement.

Speaking more broadly, if gambling is allowed in the military, it will be very dangerous for the soldiers themselves, where people who want to seek pleasure from gambling are only 1 in 100 soldiers, for example, but if gambling is allowed, it will invite other soldiers to gamble, and the consequences received by soldiers will have a lot of thoughts where they have to fight more with the enemy while they are mentally burdened because they lose in gambling.
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June 27, 2024, 10:26:39 AM
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That is a dangerous venture to indulge soldiers to gamble to remove stress,that is as a minimum a double edge sword as some soldiers instead of having fun and lowering stress can become even more stressed and can cause damage more than add value to the army so I don't fully agree with this way to cope with stress yet nowadays we are hearing a lot of strange stories from army generals in ongoing wars giving strange orders and this to me is no exception from those strange rules.Anyway if it has proven to be bringing better results then it is a good choice but I would highly doubt this,gambling in most cases brings further stress and I don't think soldiers are rich enough to not care.

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June 27, 2024, 04:37:20 PM
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When comes to entertainment, I think there are endless possibilities for a soldier to find what to do with their spare time... though, entertainment would not be enough for them to heal the scars of war in their minds. After they can find some entertainment which could ease their retirement after they complete their service, then it would be up to the government to get them psychological help.
I have read in the news the European Union has offered their healthcare system to harbor wounded soldiers from the front with the invader. It would take the ministry of health of Ukraine also to include mental healthcare as part of the package to help out those who got traumatized by the war.
I am glad Ukraine count on the European Union as an ally.

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June 27, 2024, 04:50:55 PM
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That is a dangerous venture to indulge soldiers to gamble to remove stress,that is as a minimum a double edge sword as some soldiers instead of having fun and lowering stress can become even more stressed and can cause damage more than add value to the army so I don't fully agree with this way to cope with stress yet nowadays we are hearing a lot of strange stories from army generals in ongoing wars giving strange orders and this to me is no exception from those strange rules.Anyway if it has proven to be bringing better results then it is a good choice but I would highly doubt this,gambling in most cases brings further stress and I don't think soldiers are rich enough to not care.
I also disagree with such arrangements where indeed this can have a negative impact on the soldiers themselves, I feel myself when I lose from gambling getting mental pressure too and upsetting sometimes in one day I can think about why I lost last night, and it is enough to interfere with the learning process or my daily activities such as work and study, this causes self-focus on the obligations that must be done every day.

Especially when it comes to soldiers who must be busy training and fighting, their mental stress will increase if they experience two bad sides, first because of the war and second because of losing gambling, it will be more severe.

More often I see soldiers relieve their stress with parties and women after fighting.

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June 27, 2024, 05:48:33 PM
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That is a dangerous venture to indulge soldiers to gamble to remove stress,that is as a minimum a double edge sword as some soldiers instead of having fun and lowering stress can become even more stressed and can cause damage more than add value to the army so I don't fully agree with this way to cope with stress yet nowadays we are hearing a lot of strange stories from army generals in ongoing wars giving strange orders and this to me is no exception from those strange rules.Anyway if it has proven to be bringing better results then it is a good choice but I would highly doubt this,gambling in most cases brings further stress and I don't think soldiers are rich enough to not care.
I also disagree with such arrangements where indeed this can have a negative impact on the soldiers themselves, I feel myself when I lose from gambling getting mental pressure too and upsetting sometimes in one day I can think about why I lost last night, and it is enough to interfere with the learning process or my daily activities such as work and study, this causes self-focus on the obligations that must be done every day.

Especially when it comes to soldiers who must be busy training and fighting, their mental stress will increase if they experience two bad sides, first because of the war and second because of losing gambling, it will be more severe.

More often I see soldiers relieve their stress with parties and women after fighting.
Soldiers jobs are really that isnt that the same into those other jobs on which we know that when it comes to risks then they would really be having that much more compared into other jobs on which it would really be understandable that when it comes to stress level then they would really be having more but having that kind of gambling thing on the moment that they are on duty? This would really be something that
shouldnt really be done and just like been said by others that making up some gambling on duty is never been that allowed and never been that tolerated just like anyone else. This is why
if someone do get caught on this aspect then it should really be that dismissed or having those warnings. Also, it would really be just that too much of a risky thing when you do gamble
when you are on duty. It would really be just that putting up your life in line.

We are all that stress or having those own problems but this isnt really just that the right time for you to have such gambling thing or activity or whatever you call it.
Everything should really be done on the right place and on the right time.

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June 27, 2024, 06:10:21 PM
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That is a dangerous venture to indulge soldiers to gamble to remove stress,that is as a minimum a double edge sword as some soldiers instead of having fun and lowering stress can become even more stressed and can cause damage more than add value to the army so I don't fully agree with this way to cope with stress yet nowadays we are hearing a lot of strange stories from army generals in ongoing wars giving strange orders and this to me is no exception from those strange rules.Anyway if it has proven to be bringing better results then it is a good choice but I would highly doubt this,gambling in most cases brings further stress and I don't think soldiers are rich enough to not care.
I also disagree with such arrangements where indeed this can have a negative impact on the soldiers themselves, I feel myself when I lose from gambling getting mental pressure too and upsetting sometimes in one day I can think about why I lost last night, and it is enough to interfere with the learning process or my daily activities such as work and study, this causes self-focus on the obligations that must be done every day.

Especially when it comes to soldiers who must be busy training and fighting, their mental stress will increase if they experience two bad sides, first because of the war and second because of losing gambling, it will be more severe.

More often I see soldiers relieve their stress with parties and women after fighting.
Soldiers jobs are really that isnt that the same into those other jobs on which we know that when it comes to risks then they would really be having that much more compared into other jobs on which it would really be understandable that when it comes to stress level then they would really be having more but having that kind of gambling thing on the moment that they are on duty? This would really be something that
shouldnt really be done and just like been said by others that making up some gambling on duty is never been that allowed and never been that tolerated just like anyone else. This is why
if someone do get caught on this aspect then it should really be that dismissed or having those warnings. Also, it would really be just that too much of a risky thing when you do gamble
when you are on duty. It would really be just that putting up your life in line.

We are all that stress or having those own problems but this isnt really just that the right time for you to have such gambling thing or activity or whatever you call it.
Everything should really be done on the right place and on the right time.
To be honest, it does not only apply when serving, even active army status is not allowed to play gambling, because one day you will definitely get a call to duty or return to the army barracks, something as small as gambling will be disturbing in my opinion, because indeed as stated by @swogerino it can be a double-edged sword for the mentality and mindset of the soldier himself if he is active in gambling, so a strict ban on gambling is what the army commanders must do to minimize bad things happening to their soldiers.

Maybe if the soldier retires it is normal to come into contact with gambling, because then they are free from the strict rules and their activities in the military.

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Now, do you think soldiers who have left home for a long time and are going through boredom should be restricted from engaging in gambling which helps reduce their stress? If gambling does not have any effect on their performance on the waterfront and they gamble responsibly, do you think there should be restrictions?

I don’t believe soldiers gamble to ease boredom. When you consider the effect that war has on the mental health of soldiers, I think gambling for them is a means to escape the horrors that they face everyday on the battlefield which I, as a civilian cannot begin to comprehend. Prior to this article and developments that led to the Ukrainian government taking measures to control the gambling of her soldiers, I don’t think I have ever heard this being a problem in other countries. Sure the army may have its way of handling such matters within the military but for the President to be concerned then it’s a serious problem.

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Our minds can asks us to keeps playing gambling to recover the lost money in gambling so we will forget our limitations and not obey our rules. That's why we must learn self control to holds ourselves from keeps playing gambling.
It is not easy indeed to control yourself so as not to exceed the predetermined gambling limit.
This is because everyone has different levels of greed as well as how they think about gambling.

Whether it's a soldier or not, don't relieve stress with too intense gambling without good self-control, it will instead become a new problem again.

 
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Now, do you think soldiers who have left home for a long time and are going through boredom should be restricted from engaging in gambling which helps reduce their stress? If gambling does not have any effect on their performance on the waterfront and they gamble responsibly, do you think there should be restrictions?

I don’t believe soldiers gamble to ease boredom. When you consider the effect that war has on the mental health of soldiers, I think gambling for them is a means to escape the horrors that they face everyday on the battlefield which I, as a civilian cannot begin to comprehend. Prior to this article and developments that led to the Ukrainian government taking measures to control the gambling of her soldiers, I don’t think I have ever heard this being a problem in other countries. Sure the army may have its way of handling such matters within the military but for the President to be concerned then it’s a serious problem.
There was a time I had a long journey which was so hectic that I couldn't get to my destination before nightfall and because of the security situation of the place, I begged the soldiers I saw on duty that same night to allow me spend the night with them and continue my trip the next day of which i was lucky enough to be granted my request. That night during my stay with them, I noticed they were very familiar with online gambling in some gambling sites because they were discussing about their experiences as well as share among themselves the best methods to use win their gambles and out of curiosity, I asked them why they're engaging in gambling. In their response, they told me that gambling is their best recreational engagement and because they get a lot of money from it, they'll continue with that practice. In their bid to further explain how they do not allow their gambling engagements affect their primary duties, they told me that they only engage in gambling at nights when they're just watching over the provinces assigned to them but never engages in gambling during the day.

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June 27, 2024, 09:40:54 PM
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It is a tricky and very sensitive topic to talk about soldiers and the mental burden there is on them, because of the stuff they witness everyday and they horror they have to overcome every night.  So I believe I would support measures like this one to restrict active combatants from gambling while in the front and also ,I would be in favor of enhancing the access to mental health facilities and services to those who are currently dealing with depression, or trauma because of the thing seen in the front.
Leaving a side note, I would be okey with soldiers who are retired and are back home to have access to gambling and casinos, but after they are psychologically checked and are believed not to suffer from any lingering effect because of the service they gave to their homeland.
I agree with what you said because in this case actually if you look at the situation it is not improving the mentality of the soldiers but only diverting their focus so as not to think too much about their duties as the foremost protector of a country which in the end the problematic mentality is only like being closed but not perfect even though there may be other goals that are more than that.

It would be better if indeed when the mentality they want to improve then the facilities and motivation from experts are more highlighted instead of making gambling a means of distraction because indeed even though it has an impact for the short term but not for the long term instead this encourages an unexpected situation such as addiction that occurs.

This does not mean that they should not or cannot gamble but in the end we must also realize that gambling is ultimately not a drug that must be given so that they are free or feel light in terms of the burden that the soldier carries.

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That is a dangerous venture to indulge soldiers to gamble to remove stress,that is as a minimum a double edge sword as some soldiers instead of having fun and lowering stress can become even more stressed and can cause damage more than add value to the army so I don't fully agree with this way to cope with stress yet nowadays we are hearing a lot of strange stories from army generals in ongoing wars giving strange orders and this to me is no exception from those strange rules.Anyway if it has proven to be bringing better results then it is a good choice but I would highly doubt this,gambling in most cases brings further stress and I don't think soldiers are rich enough to not care.

Permitting soldiers to gamble as a stress-relief method is what I believe will work in the opposite way. Gambling can swing both ways, instead of aiding in stress reduction, it has potential to lead some soldiers into more stressful situations and thus exacerbate their issues. I think this is not a wise approach to managing stress among soldiers.

Even though there are weird tales about generals' orders during warfare, and this might just be one of them, I question the efficacy of using gambling as a stress buster. Ironically, gambling can often result in more stress, particularly once it leads to financial losses which exacerbate an already stressful situation. The army may not be so rich that it can afford to overlook such losses; thus, the proposed solution might end up adding fuel to fire.

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Permitting soldiers to gamble as a stress-relief method is what I believe will work in the opposite way. Gambling can swing both ways, instead of aiding in stress reduction, it has potential to lead some soldiers into more stressful situations and thus exacerbate their issues. I think this is not a wise approach to managing stress among soldiers.

Even though there are weird tales about generals' orders during warfare, and this might just be one of them, I question the efficacy of using gambling as a stress buster. Ironically, gambling can often result in more stress, particularly once it leads to financial losses which exacerbate an already stressful situation. The army may not be so rich that it can afford to overlook such losses; thus, the proposed solution might end up adding fuel to fire.

This activity may serve its purpose, if and only if, the soldiers are playing for fun and entertainment only. Meaning, the money involved is small, as much as possible, their spare money and they are doing this on their spare time only. If they are only playing friendly bets, then I can say, this can really give them some stress-free games. But if they start staking high amount of money to the point of using their living expenses, then, they should stop allowing these games to happen. Instead of coping from stress, they will add more stress to their daily battle of stressful life.

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Our minds can asks us to keeps playing gambling to recover the lost money in gambling so we will forget our limitations and not obey our rules. That's why we must learn self control to holds ourselves from keeps playing gambling.
It is not easy indeed to control yourself so as not to exceed the predetermined gambling limit.
This is because everyone has different levels of greed as well as how they think about gambling.

Whether it's a soldier or not, don't relieve stress with too intense gambling without good self-control, it will instead become a new problem again.
Yes, there would really be no exemption for this one on which we know that when it comes to this aspect on which gambling shouldnt really be that mixed out on the moment that you would really be on your duty or on the time of your work. You cant really just that make yourself having that kind of consideration on taking up some gambling game in line of duty or on the time that you are doing such work. Just like on what every one is saying that you are really that making those unethical behavior because you've been paid on doing your job and not to play gambling. You could really be able to play gambling on the time that you would really be finishing your job
or you are not on duty on which this is something which is more ethical on doing so. Basing up on the example here on which a position where its risky considering that this one is really that a life and death situation
then it would really be something that too just dumb that you would really be playing just to ease out that stress that you are feeling on right now.

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There was a time I had a long journey which was so hectic that I couldn't get to my destination before nightfall and because of the security situation of the place, I begged the soldiers I saw on duty that same night to allow me spend the night with them and continue my trip the next day of which i was lucky enough to be granted my request. That night during my stay with them, I noticed they were very familiar with online gambling in some gambling sites because they were discussing about their experiences as well as share among themselves the best methods to use win their gambles and out of curiosity, I asked them why they're engaging in gambling. In their response, they told me that gambling is their best recreational engagement and because they get a lot of money from it, they'll continue with that practice. In their bid to further explain how they do not allow their gambling engagements affect their primary duties, they told me that they only engage in gambling at nights when they're just watching over the provinces assigned to them but never engages in gambling during the day.
That’s not surprising to me at all. Soldiers are human beings with feelings, beneath that super soldier persona they have built I think they are just like us. Gambling affects them the same way it affects civilians, I would even argue that military personnel because of the discipline they have can be more responsible gamblers than most people. Responsible gamblers do not let their gambling habits affect their personal lives or work and they never bet amounts that would make them lose their cool.

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June 28, 2024, 01:44:58 PM
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It is not easy indeed to control yourself so as not to exceed the predetermined gambling limit.
This is because everyone has different levels of greed as well as how they think about gambling.

Whether it's a soldier or not, don't relieve stress with too intense gambling without good self-control, it will instead become a new problem again.
That's why we must keeps learning about self control because that will useful not just when we playing gambling but in other things. We will not breaks our limitation or doing something wrong that can harm us and will not playing gambling excessively. Although we have different levels of greed but we have the same chance to learn self control and have a good control over ourselves.

But those soldier can gets more stress when they lose their money when playing gambling. They can angry when see their money is gone because of playing gambling. Those soldier needs the other ways to solve their stress and stay away from gambling because that can ruins their lives if they lose control. The government must gives a way for them to relieve their stress.

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July 01, 2024, 07:54:57 PM
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It is not easy indeed to control yourself so as not to exceed the predetermined gambling limit.
This is because everyone has different levels of greed as well as how they think about gambling.

Whether it's a soldier or not, don't relieve stress with too intense gambling without good self-control, it will instead become a new problem again.
That's why we must keeps learning about self control because that will useful not just when we playing gambling but in other things. We will not breaks our limitation or doing something wrong that can harm us and will not playing gambling excessively. Although we have different levels of greed but we have the same chance to learn self control and have a good control over ourselves.

But those soldier can gets more stress when they lose their money when playing gambling. They can angry when see their money is gone because of playing gambling. Those soldier needs the other ways to solve their stress and stay away from gambling because that can ruins their lives if they lose control. The government must gives a way for them to relieve their stress.
The last sentence is the key here, if the government behind an army does not want for their soldiers to engage in gambling while being deployed, as it believes it is causing harm to their soldiers, then they need to give them something to alleviate that stress, and if they are incapable of doing so, they should not be surprised they look for their own ways to keep themselves sane in a world that at least from their perspective has gone completely insane.
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July 01, 2024, 08:17:26 PM
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Now, do you think soldiers who have left home for a long time and are going through boredom should be restricted from engaging in gambling which helps reduce their stress? If gambling does not have any effect on their performance on the waterfront and they gamble responsibly, do you think there should be restrictions?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-war-soldiers-gambling-industry-1.7189835

There is what they called code of conduct and that's what soldiers and other military people, they don't think the way civilians and that need to be fear and respected. There ways might not look normal to we the civilians and that's how it has been since the great days of knights. So seeing soldiers engage in gambling while on duty is lack of discipline and less regard for their dignity to serve their father lands and it's punishable by law that guide country.

If a soldier is not on leave and then does gambling, that soldier need to be put to order but if the soldier is in leave and have enough time to rest with his family or alone, he can do all he wants, if he likes he should put all his live savings into gambling since he is holiday with his friends and family but immediately you are back to barrack or send to war front, anything apart from the guidelines of army need to be call to order.

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There was a time I had a long journey which was so hectic that I couldn't get to my destination before nightfall and because of the security situation of the place, I begged the soldiers I saw on duty that same night to allow me spend the night with them and continue my trip the next day of which i was lucky enough to be granted my request. That night during my stay with them, I noticed they were very familiar with online gambling in some gambling sites because they were discussing about their experiences as well as share among themselves the best methods to use win their gambles and out of curiosity, I asked them why they're engaging in gambling. In their response, they told me that gambling is their best recreational engagement and because they get a lot of money from it, they'll continue with that practice. In their bid to further explain how they do not allow their gambling engagements affect their primary duties, they told me that they only engage in gambling at nights when they're just watching over the provinces assigned to them but never engages in gambling during the day.
That’s not surprising to me at all. Soldiers are human beings with feelings, beneath that super soldier persona they have built I think they are just like us. Gambling affects them the same way it affects civilians, I would even argue that military personnel because of the discipline they have can be more responsible gamblers than most people. Responsible gamblers do not let their gambling habits affect their personal lives or work and they never bet amounts that would make them lose their cool.
Actually its not really that bad to gamble and its true that there would really be no exemptions or prohibitions on who would be the one that would be playing gambling. The only issue on here is that when people do really make out such gambling session into those moments that they are already doing it into those non right places or moment specially on this one that they are really that soldiers and making up some gambling session in line of duty which is really that not right on having that kind of activity but if this one is really that been done when you are off duty then it is really just that fine. I agree that those soldiers are really just that human too on which having those emotions and having those kind condition where you do get bored or having that stress and they are really that needing something that could ease out that boredom.
Its not bad as long they would really be having that moderation and control on which this one matter the most.

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I agree with the idea that the government should take up the onus to provide stress relief. But the soldiers themselves should engage themselves in sports and activities to relieve the stress while off duty. I am sure the governments do their part from what I see in my country.

At times they will try to relieve themselves with porn and gambling and drinking and what not. These things if kept under moderation should not do more harm. As long as they dont become addictions, it should be good.

 
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I agree with the idea that the government should take up the onus to provide stress relief. But the soldiers themselves should engage themselves in sports and activities to relieve the stress while off duty. I am sure the governments do their part from what I see in my country.

At times they will try to relieve themselves with porn and gambling and drinking and what not. These things if kept under moderation should not do more harm. As long as they dont become addictions, it should be good.
At first, everything can be a fun stress reliever for everyone. But when the pressure on soldiers increases, or they may get bored, they will continue looking for stress relievers. The increase in these activities can be bad for soldiers.
Look at their salaries that must be divided to be sent to their families at home. If they are addicted, they can spend it all on gambling.

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