The Debate

[suchmoon]

Is there any base there is actually a political plan by the democrat party to use illegal inmigrants to boost their chances in the coming elections, or is it actually a story made up by the Republican party to attack the opposite party ?

No real chance. Elections are run by states and while states vary in their ID requirements (i.e. what kind of ID you need to produce when you come to vote), it is still a federal crime to vote if you're not eligible (i.e. not a citizen) and as far as I have seen the only real possibility for someone to do this in an election is basically identity theft, a crime as well. It's extremely unlikely for anyone to do this for no tangible benefit, as proven by many years of spreading this conspiracy theory and basically no evidence of it actually happening... let alone to a scale that would matter to the outcome of the election. The total number of election fraud cases is somewhere in the range of less than 10 per million of votes cast, and AFAIK most of those extremely rare instances is not related to immigration at all. For example someone voting by mail on behalf of their dead relative, or a convicted felon voting in a state where they're not eligible to do so.

[legiteum]

I think Biden's debate "performance" (and the subsequent doomsday clickbait in the media) has turned off a sufficiently large part of the 45% to sink his chances. Democrats are notoriously lazy when it comes to elections. They outnumber Republicans in most swing states to the point where those shouldn't "swing" at all but they latch on to any excuse to not vote.

OTOH thanks to the intertubes we all have attention spans of goldfish so all that really matters is what happens in the last couple of weeks before the election. Maybe some AI-enhanced version of Biden will emerge that will magically energize the millions of "illegals" and dead people who I'm told all vote for Democrats.

If you believe Republican lies, then you are going to vote Republican. No new candidate will change that.

No matter what, the election is going to be a close one. The only thing people are debating here is the last 5% of voters who will sway the election one direction or another.

Trump has talked in unintelligible word salad for years and his voters don't care. All Republicans hear is, "he will make abortion illegal" so nothing else matters since that is their policy objective. And most Democrats want abortion to stay legal, so they will vote for Biden regardless as well.

[suchmoon]

If you believe Republican lies, then you are going to vote Republican. No new candidate will change that.

No matter what, the election is going to be a close one. The only thing people are debating here is the last 5% of voters who will sway the election one direction or another.

Voter turnout (or lack thereof) is going to be a problem for Biden, forget trying to sway Republicans or fake "independents" (people who accidentally stumble into a local high school on election day after living under a rock for the last year?).

This is shaping to be Hillary 2.0, except more cringy as sequels tend to be. Hillary was at least somewhat coherent on prime time TV.

[Oshio-man]

I said it before that Trump really prepared to defeat Joe Biden in this coming election, He has started it from their debate to disgrace Joe Biden in the public and is making Joe Biden party to think alternative candidate to replace Joe Biden, and it has made some people to start changing their mind to support Trump and crypto users are supporting him to become the next president of US.

[legiteum]

If you believe Republican lies, then you are going to vote Republican. No new candidate will change that.

No matter what, the election is going to be a close one. The only thing people are debating here is the last 5% of voters who will sway the election one direction or another.

Voter turnout (or lack thereof) is going to be a problem for Biden, forget trying to sway Republicans or fake "independents" (people who accidentally stumble into a local high school on election day after living under a rock for the last year?).

This is shaping to be Hillary 2.0, except more cringy as sequels tend to be. Hillary was at least somewhat coherent on prime time TV.

Voter turnout will be a problem for Trump, too. He's a convicted criminal and he doesn't even try to deny his crimes anymore. He is in no way "conservative" yet he relies on conservative voters. Millions will stay home.

It will be a close election...

[LTU_btc]

Don't know how real is possibility that Democrats can make last minute change. But if the would do, no matter what they will choose, I feel that would be instant loss. It would be smaller name than Biden and also it would be showing weakness of your whole party - you don't change horses in midstream. I doubt that voters who are still not decided would accept such thing positively.

I watched part of the debate and I asked myself, How did the "great" nation end up in such a mess. Out of millions of people across, are those the only two that have the vision to run for presidency or lead the Country?

Not that I am shocked about politicians, but I expected a much worthier challenger from both camps. Biden is done, you can't fight nature. The earlier they accept and rolled out the way forward, the better.

I'm asking this already since last elections. One of the most powerful countries in the world and best what they can find is these two. One idiot, liar and maybe criminal, other sometimes it feels that he has no idea where he is now and what he is doing. I often complain about politicians in my country, but probably our situation isn't that bad, I feel sorry for Americans who will have to choose between these two.

[be.open]

If you believe Republican lies, then you are going to vote Republican. No new candidate will change that.

No matter what, the election is going to be a close one. The only thing people are debating here is the last 5% of voters who will sway the election one direction or another.

Trump has talked in unintelligible word salad for years and his voters don't care. All Republicans hear is, "he will make abortion illegal" so nothing else matters since that is their policy objective. And most Democrats want abortion to stay legal, so they will vote for Biden regardless as well.

You'd think the Democrats aren't lying. Well, for example, this recent verbal attack by Democrats on Republicans, saying “Trump will ban abortion,” which you are broadcasting here. It's a lie.

I can imagine how desperate the Democrats are now if they decided to make abortion a central issue of their election campaign. The United States has been teaching the whole world “correct” democracy for so long that it has distorted the very idea of ​​democracy and brought it to the point of absurdity. Now Americans have to choose between two old pieces of crap, both of whom have already proven themselves untenable as president.

[legiteum]

You'd think the Democrats aren't lying. Well, for example, this recent verbal attack by Democrats on Republicans, saying “Trump will ban abortion,” which you are broadcasting here. It's a lie.

It's not a lie, it's in Trump's written platform. Also, the Republican stance on abortion for the last 40 years has been, "it's murder". Also, one of the very few things Trump did achieve in his last tenure is overturning Roe v. Wade.

And as we saw with the lawsuit against the abortion pill, Trump could effectively ban abortion nationwide without the approval of Congress by simply refusing to fight these silly lawsuits--and it's hard to imagine an administration that will actively defend what they deem "baby murder". The same will be the case for states locking their citizens in to prevent abortions, or Trump banning Bitcoin because it can be used to pay for illegal abortions.

Banning abortion has been a key Republican goal for decades, even though it's very unpopular. But they can't have it both ways. Trump is lying his ass off to try, but I think voters are a little smarter than that.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Voter turnout (or lack thereof) is going to be a problem for Biden <...>

That is the impression I got from the debate. That if things don't change, the Republicans will vote for Trump en masse, that he will even convince some of the undecideds and that, on the other hand, there will be a good percentage of Democrats and undecideds who won't get off their asses and vote for Biden.

[Hispo]

Voter turnout (or lack thereof) is going to be a problem for Biden <...>

That is the impression I got from the debate. That if things don't change, the Republicans will vote for Trump en masse, that he will even convince some of the undecideds and that, on the other hand, there will be a good percentage of Democrats and undecideds who won't get off their asses and vote for Biden.

I had not realized it but that actually would explain the effort and the choice of words the leftist media in the United States has chosen for this incoming election, if we assume they are actually that politically disengaged, then the establishments needs to use sentences like "democracy is on the ballot" or go for phrases like this is the "most important election on our lifetime" and also saying this could be "the last election on the USA" if Donald Trump wins. It is like they know there is a percentage of democrats who are disengaged and in normal circumstances would not go out their way to vote in the presidential elections, so they are (seemingly desperately) trying to engage with that sector of the democrat and independent voters so they can somehow do the difference in the main swing states which will in the end decide the presidency.

Also, I could be wrong, but in November the people of the United States are also going to vote on the seats of the congress, if so, it seems kind of weird to me how the media focus so much on the president and gives no attention to either the Senate nor the house of representatives.

[be.open]

You'd think the Democrats aren't lying. Well, for example, this recent verbal attack by Democrats on Republicans, saying “Trump will ban abortion,” which you are broadcasting here. It's a lie.

It's not a lie, it's in Trump's written platform. Also, the Republican stance on abortion for the last 40 years has been, "it's murder". Also, one of the very few things Trump did achieve in his last tenure is overturning Roe v. Wade.

And as we saw with the lawsuit against the abortion pill, Trump could effectively ban abortion nationwide without the approval of Congress by simply refusing to fight these silly lawsuits--and it's hard to imagine an administration that will actively defend what they deem "baby murder". The same will be the case for states locking their citizens in to prevent abortions, or Trump banning Bitcoin because it can be used to pay for illegal abortions.

Banning abortion has been a key Republican goal for decades, even though it's very unpopular. But they can't have it both ways. Trump is lying his ass off to try, but I think voters are a little smarter than that.

Well, of course it's a lie. Trump has already won his “victory over abortion” by influencing the Supreme Court decision to which you refer and placing the issue of abortion under the jurisdiction of state authorities. At the same time, Kentucky, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Arizona and North Carolina, where there are restrictions on abortion, have Democratic governors, and half of the US states have no restrictions on abortion. You are trying to make a molehill out of a molehill by making one fairly narrow issue a “key goal” for an entire US political party.

I am not a Trump supporter, I think that he is still a very weak politician (at the same time, Trump today as a politician is much stronger and more experienced than eight years ago, although he is also eight years older), prone to shocking, populism and theatrical gestures. I also think that the Democrats are making a mistake by betting on Biden for the second time, because the current Biden is a pale shadow of the Biden of four years ago. The democrats' motto "they don't change horses in midstream" should be replaced with the old Indian wisdom "if the horse is dead, get off it." My opinion is that the Democrats' winning card would be Michelle Obama as a "proxy president", because Barack Obama has enough political influence and popularity in the US to extend it to his wife and this would be enough for her to win the election. But apparently Michelle herself is not eager to be in the role of a “proxy”, and perhaps it is simply too late for a replacement.

Disclaimer: please do not consider my personal opinion as Russian interference in the US presidential election.

[legiteum]

Well, of course it's a lie. Trump has already won his “victory over abortion” by influencing the Supreme Court decision to which you refer and placing the issue of abortion under the jurisdiction of state authorities.

No, it places it under the jurisdiction of state authorities in addition to federal authorities. Congress has passed laws against abortion procedures in the past, and nothing is stopping them from doing so again. Republicans say the "state" thing to make their voters in democrat-controlled feel better, but it's very likely abortion will be made illegal in all 50 states if Trump is elected. We already saw Republicans try to do it this year by trying to outlaw the abortion pill (again, in all 50 states).

It's absolutely crazy to think that a party that has made making abortion illegal a central part of its platform for 50 years is suddenly going to say, "just kidding".

Personally, I would say over half of the Republicans I talk to say, "because abortion" when I ask them why they support Trump. If you don't think abortion is a super-big deal to Republicans you've been living under a rock.

And as I said above, with Republicans sending lawsuits to the federal government like they do now, all Trump would have to do is fail to defend those lawsuits, and abortion would be illegal in all 50 states.


"Top leader of RNC Platform Committee entertained idea of imprisoning women who get abortions, opposes exceptions"

https://www.cnn.com/kfile-ed-martin-rnc-platform-committee-anti-abortion-exceptions/index.html

[be.open]

If you don't think abortion is a super-big deal to Republicans you've been living under a rock.

I live in Russia, not under a rock. And from the outside, the confrontation between Republicans and Democrats in the United States looks much more fundamental, deeper and larger-scale than the confrontation between opponents and supporters of abortion, as you are trying to imagine here now.