Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely?

[ditec_wrogn]

Hey everyone,

So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.

I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

If you make this forum a place for chatbots, AI posts then it does not need a human anymore. All of us can set a bot and start posting replies.

This is a forum for real people to share, discuss about ideas, problems, solutions. This is not a place for any kind of bots. If you are using chatbots/AI generated texts then you should stop using it. You may see many members are tagging you and your account will become worthless soon

[Nwada001]

Do you mean you have been using your chatbot to detect those who are involved in scamming? If so, how is that being done?
 
AI usage is just equal to plagiarism, and if you make use of a chatbot to get any information and you want to share it with the public (I mean with forum members in this forum), you can equally do that as long as you can give credit that you got your data from the chatbot.

I guess that will be okay. At least you let the people know that this is where you get your information from other than placing it as your findings and trying to outsmart others.

[promise444c5]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage?

AI posting is not allowed on this forum, if it's been used for posting  there's high chance of plagiarism as you will get an existing answer word for word from an AI .. and once you post a plagiarised content you're breaking one of the rules

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]

And breaking one of the rules will lead to ban on your account...
AI can be on the forum(depending on what it's been used for ) but AI contents are prohibited

[Vod]

I'd like to know your definition of AI, as most online services can be considered same.

[Stalker22]

I think it comes down to the content itself.  If you make your own arguments and just use the chatbot to fix grammar and stuff, I think thats ok.  The AI helps you say what you wanna say better.  But if you let some random bot spit out whatever without thinking, thats not ok.  No real person talks like that and we dont need more spam generic responses without real context.

So yeah.  Chatbots and other AI tools can be useful but they shouldnt do all the work for you.  And for real you should mention in each of your posts if you used one to avoid drama about plagiarism.  Just be real about it.

[hilariousandco]

Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

[Moreno233]

I think chatbots are the same thing as AI and it is highly discouraged to be be used in the forum. Many accounts have been banned with others tagged due to the use of AI. I think there are justifiable reasons why AI is forbidden in the forum because in reality, AI is similar to plagiarism which is a very big offense in the literary world. Posting garbage from chatbots simply make here boring and without originality and if you think it through, it will eventually destroy the forum. If you have been using chatbot to make contribution to this forum, I will suggest you desist and if it is for other purposes, I would love to know how you do that.

[Charles-Tim]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum?

I have seen a post that a reputed user posted that he used AI for good English construction and nothing more than that. If it is true, using AI for such is allowed on this forum. But some people use it to get information, copied and pasted the information on this forum without any referencing which is just not good at all. It would be good if theymos ban such on this forum. The punishment should be permanent ban.

[Wiwo]

The forum have high regard for quality contributions and for that only human efforts are graded as quality posts, and since bitcointalk is a human discussion forum,  the use of artificial intelligence to create the content in here is against the fundamental purpose of the forum.

Chatbots ant real and their can make tons of replies with little or no efforts at all and at that we should not encourage it usage on discussion here an2d that the reason used of AI if discovered can lead to ban even though there are no clear rules to that in the first place.

[BitMaxz]

Is there any difference between AI and bots?

Anyway, if you are using these bots and you just copying all the text it generated you are arguing as a bot with a scammer, not a real person if you are doing this on the forum and someone finds your post as AI-generated like others said you might get red tag or you might ban but if you using it as a reference and get some ideas then I think it should be fine.

However, not all information from the chatbots will give you the right information if you always use it for ideas it is not a good source you might get misinformation. So people might notice it here as an AI-generated post because of misinformation or you leading them to wrong information.

I suggest use Google instead to get ideas and the right information than using chatbots or AI.

[_BlackStar]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

Users found posting content on forum using AI will be reported to moderator. Usually the moderator will delete the post and if they join as one of the signature campaign participant, they will be deleted without payment. Some DT can take definite steps to reduce the rate at which AI posts appear on forum - they can mark you as an AI poster and may even put you on their ignore list as well.

In particular case - it seems @hilariousandco's post has represented all opinion. But of course I wonder - have AI posters previously been banned after being caught posting with AI consistently?


I asked the AI ​​specifically on ChatGPT - look what they answered when I entered these keyword:

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Why AI post considered of plagiarism?

AI-generated posts can sometimes be considered plagiarism because they are created by algorithms that can mimic human language and ideas without proper attribution or original thought. Here are a few reasons why AI-generated content might be viewed as plagiarism:

1. Lack of Attribution: AI often generates text based on patterns and data it has been trained on, but it doesn't inherently understand the concept of citing sources or giving credit to original authors.

2. Potential for Replication: AI can reproduce text that closely resembles existing content, leading to concerns about copying or paraphrasing without permission.

3. Ethical Concerns: Plagiarism is not just about direct copying; it can also involve presenting someone else's ideas or words as your own, which AI can inadvertently do if not properly managed.

4. Legal Issues: Depending on the context and jurisdiction, AI-generated content that closely resembles copyrighted material could lead to legal challenges if used without permission.

5. Quality and Originality: Some AI-generated content might lack original thought or depth, which can further blur the line between genuine creativity and rehashed information.

To avoid issues of plagiarism with AI-generated content, it's essential to:

- Ensure proper vetting and editing of AI-generated text.
- Incorporate human oversight to verify originality and ethical standards.
- Provide clear attribution and citations when using AI-generated content in contexts where intellectual property rights are a concern.

By addressing these aspects, businesses and creators can harness the benefits of AI-generated content while upholding ethical and legal standards.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Do you mean you have been using your chatbot to detect those who are involved in scamming? If so, how is that being done?

AI detection tools.

I'd like to know your definition of AI, as most online services can be considered same.

What's considered AI today isn't even authentic... Just some human fabricated text; Imagine asking for a description/detailing on an inventory and/ house plan for a certain pattern of an architecture and you got 'em filling you up with copied and already licensed plan... Sometimes, they change or convert the designs but in real sense, it's the same thing. Does it generate a thing on it's own? I don't think so.
The forum would be much better without these wannabe AIs... But it's impossible to remove them totally.

[Kavelj22]

Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

The problem with these accounts is a real dilemma because it is more than just getting merit points in order to upgrade the membership in the shortest possible time. Those accounts that adopt this method will get opportunities they do not deserve, and they will either rush to join one of the signature campaigns to take a place that would have been deserved by someone more worthy than them, especially if the campaign pays for posts in local boards, and therefore they will not stop using AI (I noticed many accounts posting In the gambling section in a completely suspicious way, but it is not easy to prove manipulation), or they gain a reputation due to their upgraded accounts that enable them to manipulate, spread false information, or deceive other users who are unaware of anything, especially new visitors to the forum. Not to mention those who will be able to take a loan from the loan board, that will compensate them for all the effort they have made in a short time.

[Vod]

What's considered AI today isn't even authentic... Just some human fabricated text;

You are talking about machine learning, which is one way to train AI.   AI has already created new medicines, new rocket and airplane designs, etc.   It cannot do these things simply by trial and error - it's not a million monkeys creating Shakespeare kind of thing.  The AI learns how the human body reacts to pieces of DNA and designs genetic tools.   No human could do this, or understand how the AI does it.   

[Adbitco]

So far it's very hard to let chatbot or AI do all the task here and to me I don't think this ai can give accurate results concerning an argument or between users who scammed or not. If I could understand correctly there are lot of users that has been reported for using ai or chatbots to make post over here, I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here. So, to me this idea can be put outside here since it wasn't originally created for people to use chatbot or ai to post and perform most of the task.

[Vod]

I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here.

FYI - as someone who records all posts, I can tell you over half might as well be bots; they just post price updates or participation proof and there is no discussion.

[Adbitco]

I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here.

FYI - as someone who records all posts, I can tell you over half might as well be bots; they just post price updates or participation proof and there is no discussion.

Is there any way to get this not rid off from the system? Except for those that are configured to pass update on a regular basis such as mentioning or price update on some specific thread and sites to reflect with the forum here.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I do not agree with the use of AI for writing posts because it is not your own original content. You are just summarizing other people’s words and passing it off as your own. In some cases AI will just make up nonsense. Using AI generated content will just make you look like a spammer. Ai usage was not necessary to bust any of the scams you detected, using common sense would have been enough to notice any red flags.

[nutildah]

Hey everyone,

So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers

Chatbots don't do this... Relying on AI to make conclusions about whether something is a scam or not is a bad idea. Its the equivalent of posting false information about bitcoin in the technical boards... the info that the AI learns from may be incorrect, or it could misinterpret factual information on its own.

You may have good intentions, but pasting stuff straight from a bot should be discouraged. What's so hard about writing using your own words? As others have suggested, if you are terribly worried about spelling and grammar then you should use something like Grammarly. Nobody would mind that.