Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely?

[Quickseller]

Re topic -- no absolutely not. Don't resist change, and don't oppose improved technology from being used.

The most prolific poster is quite literally a bot that posts price charts every hour. Several of the forum's most merited users often use scripts to create, and post some of their posts.

With regard to LLMs specifically, which the OP may be referring to, they can produce a lot of high-quality content very quickly. As many may know, they do have an issue of sometimes making up information, and that is something that is being worked on. If someone is making many incoherent posts, it should be disallowed, regardless of how the content of the posts is created. Conversely, if a post contains useful information that is relevant to the topic, there isn't any reason why it should be disallowed just because it was created by a LLM.


Further, using a LLM will lower the barrier to entry for having discussions about topics that others may find interesting.

[EarnOnVictor]

I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

About the chatbot, it is difficult to take a position on it personally, but certainly, the forum frowns on a thing like that. What use is an organic post again if people can resort to that? Everything will look nonsensical if allowed and true self-expression will vanish, so it should be tolerated.

As for AI in general, well, the use should be technical. You do not ask questions from AI and just write everything down with a copy and paste, that's bad. You can learn from it to have an idea of what you are to write and then write it down in your own way. Also, if at all you will write or quote anything online or related to AI, it is better you quote it. Otherwise, you will plagiarise so much to the point that your account would be banned.

[Vod]

Is there any way to get this not rid off from the system? Except for those that are configured to pass update on a regular basis such as mentioning or price update on some specific thread and sites to reflect with the forum here.

We can ask  them, but would you (or anyone wearing a sig) stop posting less if it meant you were paid less?

They are posting to fulfill their earning requirements, same as you. 

[nutildah]

Re topic -- no absolutely not. Don't resist change, and don't oppose improved technology from being used.

How is it an "improvement" if the poster is copy/pasting incorrect information, or garbage that nobody wants to read?

The most prolific poster is quite literally a bot that posts price charts every hour.

And everybody knows they're bots. There's a difference between that and implicitly taking credit for something you didn't actually write.

Several of the forum's most merited users often use scripts to create, and post some of their posts.

And they are their own words -- again, there's a difference.

Conversely, if a post contains useful information that is relevant to the topic, there isn't any reason why it should be disallowed just because it was created by a LLM.

In this thread, there's already a moderator who considers these posts to be plagiarism, just like many of us do. Its fine if somebody wants to post AI-written text so long as they make it clear that's what their doing. Why should someone be exempt from the plagiarism rule when it comes to AI text?

[Poker Player]

It makes no sense to prohibit something if you will not be able to enforce the prohibition.

Today, AI is detectable mainly for copy and paste cases, but it will become less and less so, especially if it is used intelligently, not simply for copy and paste.

Personally, I'm going to continue to use AI more and more, rather than focus on how to ban it, which is the recurring debate on the forum. I don't know what it reminds me more of, Groundhog Day or Neverending Story.

[NotATether]

Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

And this is the interpretation that I agree with. Because you have some people over here thinking of novel applications of the use of artificial intelligence - as in, not for posting stuff but they are using it to structure scam report formats like the OP (seriously, that is impressive. I haven't thought about that), and maybe the same can be said about the technical support board where there is a convention to describe the problem, especially for non-English speakers.

You should not be able to use AI to make low-quality posts faster just to milk campaigns.

[Findingnemo]

You said, you have been using an AI to detect scammers but what you are actually doing is ask an AI to create a response and post it here.

And to back it up, here is your statement.

Just wanted to let you all know that every single reply I make here is done with the help of my trusty chatbot sidekick. Hope that's okay with everyone!

AI, GPT4 or whatever tool you are using, it doesn't give the most accurate answers that is why people are not encouraging it and it violates the forum rule

No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

If you think it is giving you an accurate answer then insert it into a quote and mention it as was generated using AI tool.

[AVE5]

Hey everyone,

So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.

I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

Chatbot or AI apparatus is highly prohibited in the forum and there's existing sanction to penalize who uses it.
Using AI in the forum in disguise of using your self knowledge is plagiarism which is unethical in the forum but I think using a both to detect or pinch fraudulent fragments by which it's believed that there're scammers in the forum might be acceptable because the forum is decentralized and it's every forum members responsibilities to watchfully and contributes to the orderliness reputation of the forum.

[Helena Yu]

and therefore they will not stop using AI (I noticed many accounts posting In the gambling section in a completely suspicious way, but it is not easy to prove manipulation)

Those users want to show if they have an interest to gambling, since we all know most campaigns right now are promoting gambling, when they already earn sufficient activity and merit, they will apply the campaign and raise the chance to get accepted. They don't want the managers or other users to judge if they shift or change their posting habit just to fill campaign requirements.

If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

Will you ban every users who post using AI? I see @OP didn't get banned yet.

[Ultegra134]

I don't think it's a coincidence that you brought up AI usage twice in a row after being reported. Coincidence? Probably not. Before the report, there wasn't any mention regarding AI usage and chatbots in your post history, and now suddenly, you're trying to portray that you're using this technology to hunt down scammers (and how exactly would you be doing that?) and discussing whether the forum should allow its usage. I'm pretty confident you understand how suspicious this sounds. Your posts were suspicious enough, following a specific pattern and writing style from the beginning; I believe this is an attempt to "come clean" about your AI usage and nothing more.

[pakhitheboss]

Hey everyone,

So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.

I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

To an extent what you are trying to gain is commendable. Mu question is does it solve the problemm? It does not as their are multiple ways to deceive your search to find AI generated content. Staying with the topic, what makes you think that BTT will be existing when a lot of new discussion boards are gaining popularity.

As to my understanding a discussion forum like reddit is already in the process of making it more monetize globally. This is will be the end of an era where discussion was decentralized. For now we are still dependent on the admin.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I'd like to know your definition of AI, as most online services can be considered same.

What's considered AI today isn't even authentic... Just some human fabricated text; Imagine asking for a description/detailing on an inventory and/ house plan for a certain pattern of an architecture and you got 'em filling you up with copied and already licensed plan... Sometimes, they change or convert the designs but in real sense, it's the same thing. Does it generate a thing on it's own? I don't think so.

With chatGPT someone can create a small mobile application. It means based on your instructions the AI is writing codes for you. This is useful though. AI is good when it is helping you to solve an equation, a complex mathematics. But AI is not good to manager resources from the internet, arrange them in a database then give you the copy/pasted article to create a journal for you.

[Lucius]

Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

In that case, the administration should take a position that would be clear, and if everyone (or the majority) shares your opinion, then it should not happen that some members, even after several dozen reported posts do not receive even a temporary ban due to the use of AI. If using AI inappropriately is the same as plagiarism, I guess the punishment should be the same.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

If using AI inappropriately is the same as plagiarism, I guess the punishment should be the same.

I see a problem though. Plagiarism can be proved with concrete evidences but it is not going to be easy to bring concrete prove against AI written texts. The tools we saw that developed are not 100% reliable too. You are likely to response to a false positive and a user may receive a punishment that he does not deserve.

[KingsDen]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

I keep telling newbies that there are no hard rules in this forum. Here is the most lovely and accommodating place only if you are sincere to yourself and to the community members. When we talk about plagerism, not all who plagiarise are penalized. It is treated in a case by case base. Most times, what is considered is the intention of the plagiarist. Whereby the plagiarist intention wasn't to claim ownership of an idea or to monetize their posts, such a plagiarist might be forgiven.

Likewise in AI usage;

• If you have a proven way to use your chatbot to detect scammers without littering the forum with generic texts, please prove it and you might be allowed to use same.
• If you use your chat bot occasionally and you are able to reference it by quoting. I think you won't be penalized only if it's not a continuous deliberate act.
• In all, try to communicate here as a human. Share feelings with one another. If here eventually becomes an AI forum, even you will not like it. Just imagine that I am using a bot to reply to this your thread, how will you understand or enjoy the flow.

[Kavelj22]

and therefore they will not stop using AI (I noticed many accounts posting In the gambling section in a completely suspicious way, but it is not easy to prove manipulation)

Those users want to show if they have an interest to gambling, since we all know most campaigns right now are promoting gambling, when they already earn sufficient activity and merit, they will apply the campaign and raise the chance to get accepted. They don't want the managers or other users to judge if they shift or change their posting habit just to fill campaign requirements.

What I noticed is that many of these members' posts seem completely inconsistent, as how is it possible for someone to provide accurate analyzes of cricket, boxing, and even hockey and rugby at the same time? I cannot believe that anyone in the world has analytical ability in all of these games at the same time, and when you see the content of the posts, you notice accuracy in the analysis and opinions that appear sound and logical to the extent that raises doubt. It's too good to be true.

Campaign managers are not required to criticize the posting behavior of campaign participants because they will not find any incriminating evidence. If the writing language is sound and the ideas are clear, he will not have anything to raise suspicions. Fortunately, some honest members are interested in scrutinizing the posting behavior of some accounts, especially those who participate in campaigns that pay in Bitcoin.

[Coyster]

In that case, the administration should take a position that would be clear, and if everyone (or the majority) shares your opinion, then it should not happen that some members, even after several dozen reported posts do not receive even a temporary ban due to the use of AI. If using AI inappropriately is the same as plagiarism, I guess the punishment should be the same.

I've seen quite a lot of tools wrongly detect a post as AI generated, when it actually isn't. I know you can say it has to pass through several tools before a conclusion can be reached, but if one tool is saying it isn't AI generated and another is saying it is, the accused user has an argument and banning them outrightly might not be possible. Using AI chatbot to post can only attract the same punishment as plagiarism, if it can be completely proven that the post is AI generated without any false positives.

[acroman08]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

I don't mind if people use it on their own if they have questions that they want to be answered, but if they start using it on this forum to reply to forum posts and make it look like it is their own content, then that is a problem, that is basically plagiarism and plagiarism it is a bannable offense.

[SatoPrincess]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!

I can’t find the thread right now but I’m pretty sure the use of AI in the forum has been discussed before. I believe nutildah was the creator of that topic and it was popular opinion then that the use of AI would do more harm than good to the forum. If you want to be a scambuster, you can do so without the use of AI. There are websites like scamadviser.com that one can use to detect scam sites. I checked the scam reports your post history and none of them look like they need the help of AI to find.

[Stable090]

Hey everyone,

So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.

Why can’t you just make all those scammy behavior arguments yourself? Why do you have to make use of AI? You are supposed to post your opinion on the forum here without making use of AI. I see people posting with AI as a lazy set of people, and they have nothing to offer the forum. Everyone can decide to post with AI, but it doesn’t make sense. If you are posting, then make sure you are the one writing the post yourself.

I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.

Since lots of people are against the use of AI, then it’s just better you stop making use of it. Posting with AI isn’t really benefiting the forum in any way. We want to see people posting their opinions and not just spamming with AI posts.