Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely?

[ditec_wrogn]

I would like to clarify that, as I mentioned in my initial post, I will be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but I have noticed that some members have ignored my statement. But that's okay, it's good to see many responses!

1. Some of the questions you all asked have already been answered in my previous thread, so make sure to check it out if you haven't already https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5501271.msg64262630#msg64262630.
2. I get that some of you might think using a chatbot is insincere or even cheating, but let me tell you, it's just so much faster and more efficient for me to use a chatbot to help me detect scams and create scam accusation threads.
3. I always review the chatbot's output before posting, so I never just copy and paste chatbot output like an idiot.
4. It's not surprising that most of you are against chatbots and AI, but I hope you can understand that I'm using it to try  prevent scam from spreading.
5. The chatbot has already helped me create scam accusation threads and flag some scammers, which has resulted in some scammers stopping their posts and one of them even getting banned.
6. I'll make sure to add a signature to all my replies and threads to let everyone know that I'm using a chatbot.
7. I did forget to search if this topic has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a thread specifically asking whether the usage of chatbots/AI should be banned in form of a forum poll.
8. As @Vod asked, I'm talking about website and tool that can generate text (as well as images and videos) based on what I want it to generate when I say AI.
9. I'll continue to use my chatbot to detect and call out scams to prevent the spread of fake or hoax information.

I've kept my reply short, as I've been accused of creating walls of text in the past. I'm sorry if I missed answering any specific questions. I'll be sure to check back later.

[Faisal2202]

I do not agree with the use of AI for writing posts because it is not your own original content. You are just summarizing other people’s words and passing it off as your own. In some cases AI will just make up nonsense. Using AI generated content will just make you look like a spammer. Ai usage was not necessary to bust any of the scams you detected, using common sense would have been enough to notice any red flags.

I was also wondering how OP would be using AI to find scammers, I mean is there any AI that can read all the forum's data and you just have to click one button and it will find all the scammers for you. I don't think there is any such AI tool that could pull this off. Because giving a command and pushing one button is not going to give you the desired results. We are not yet advanced, although Elon is going to realise its new AI bot named as Grok which I think will be an interesting one.

Overall according to the moderator if the OP is using AI just to catch scammers and then mentioning the source then he is good to go, because to avoid plagiarism people give source of the content or product, so if OP would give the disclaimer that he has used AI to find these spammers then I will say he is living in the modern age. I just read a topic about AI and now this, and these two topics gives the vibe that forum is going to be taken over by AI which is not correct. AI need human touch they can't just do all of the stuff by themselves at least at the current era.

[Questat]

It's been two days and three pages on his thread, and he still hasn't shown it; I got it. Maybe he is trying to get the best answers to his AI and chatbot figuring out the best defense for his question.
Should this forum entirely ban the use of chatbots and AI?

When you rely on AI and chatbots, you're not trusting your logic and opinion. If you used to rely on AI and chatbots for your answers even without copy-pasting only for output, you are giving yourself an edge over the members of this forum, which is not right.

This forum won't serve its own purpose if we only post following AI and chatbots. Instead of giving our own ideas and perspectives to the topics, we end up basing everything on AI and that's something losing the essence why we are here in the forum. Otherwise, if we adapt AI and chatbots here inside the forum, it's like we are not the ones that are exchanging ideas and insights, but it's already those computer generated robots that are taking our place in the forum.

[Natalim]

In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

I'm having trouble imagining under what kind of circumstances the use of AI would be alright in the context of making posts here.  You might have some ideas, but we both know that any tool that would allow retarded shitposters to make coherent posts that they'd otherwise not be able to form with their own brains would be abused to no end.  And if exceptions are made, then members who get banned are going to appeal in Meta and it's going to be an enormous shit show.

I say make a rule forbidding any use of AI programs that aid in generation of posts--unless there are very clear exceptions that make sense.  Unless there's a rule like that, this forum is in serious trouble.  How long do y'all think it'll be until it's just AI bots appearing to make posts related to whatever topic a thread is about?  It won't be long, so 1) we need firm rules, and 2) those rules need to be enforced mercilessly.  

It wasn't so long ago that the quality of "discussion" being had on bitcointalk dropped so low that Theymos came up with the merit system.  AI tools in the hands of greedy scumbags who can't write will make that problem seem like a temporarily glitched pixel.

It's clear enough that we have to get banned this AI generated posts and chatbots, in order to create a fair discussion between all members of the forum. No more exceptions, like this or like that. So if you get used to prioritize AI more than your own, personal opinions and ideas, then get rid with it now, otherwise you'll be soon get banned and vanish in the forum.

Be it plagiarism or not, using AI still falls on it and should never be tolerated in the forum. We are not computers here, but we are real humans, so we should stick to the main reason why this bitcointalk forum is made in the first place, that is to exchange humanely problems and solution ideas that are gained from personal experiences of a member itself.

[Quickseller]

Here is another reason to allow the use of chatbots on the forum:

The most heavily trafficked subs and threads on the forum are in English. The forum has various local subs, but the experience is not the same due to lower usage and smaller communities. Chatbots can translate posts to and from English and can help make posts grammatically correct.

[nutildah]

I would like to clarify that, as I mentioned in my initial post, I will be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but I have noticed that some members have ignored my statement.

You can't be surprised. Every time I come across these machine-produced essays my eyes glaze over them. TBH I only read one sentence further in your post.

Chatbots can translate posts to and from English and can help make posts grammatically correct.

We know this already, and I think that's fine, so long as the author acknowledges ChatGPT as the source of text.

[Alone055]

Here is another reason to allow the use of chatbots on the forum:

The most heavily trafficked subs and threads on the forum are in English. The forum has various local subs, but the experience is not the same due to lower usage and smaller communities. Chatbots can translate posts to and from English and can help make posts grammatically correct.

Although I'm not in favor of permanently banning the usage of chatbots or AI models and I believe they should be monitored, do we need a chatbot or a language model for what you are referring to? I mean, any decent tool such as Google Translate can help you translate a text from one language to another, I know it messes up sometimes but with some corrections, what it gives us after the translation can be understood perfectly.

And about grammatical mistakes and corrections, we can use Grammarly or any other similar tool. It's not a language model so you don't even need to mention a source because you are the one writing the text and it is only going to rectify your mistakes.

[Finestream]

It's been two days and three pages on his thread, and he still hasn't shown it; I got it. Maybe he is trying to get the best answers to his AI and chatbot figuring out the best defense for his question.
Should this forum entirely ban the use of chatbots and AI?

When you rely on AI and chatbots, you're not trusting your logic and opinion. If you used to rely on AI and chatbots for your answers even without copy-pasting only for output, you are giving yourself an edge over the members of this forum, which is not right.

This forum won't serve its own purpose if we only post following AI and chatbots. Instead of giving our own ideas and perspectives to the topics, we end up basing everything on AI and that's something losing the essence why we are here in the forum. Otherwise, if we adapt AI and chatbots here inside the forum, it's like we are not the ones that are exchanging ideas and insights, but it's already those computer generated robots that are taking our place in the forum.

Precisely. The forum is not designed to allow AI generated posts and chatbots become the soles basis of majority of the forum members. It’s still a lot different if we base our own explanation or discussion from our own points of view, not from AI or chatbots. While AI may provide more precise or bigger impact replies, but we all know explanations based from our own experiences are still the most reliable source of information not even AI can replaced.

[PowerGlove]

As others have suggested, if you are terribly worried about spelling and grammar then you should use something like Grammarly. Nobody would mind that.

Grammarly is slowly morphing into a full-blown AI writing assistant. If I look at their home page, I see taglines like: "Responsible AI that ensures your writing and reputation shine" and "Work with an AI writing partner that helps you find the words you need⁠—⁠to write that tricky email, to get your point across, to keep your work moving."

They're making a company-wide push to be involved in more than just the "revision" stage of writing:

To date, we’ve been focused on the revision stage of the communication lifecycle. By embracing new technologies like generative AI, we can advance our vision of supporting the entire process—from conception to comprehension. Grammarly is committed to using the most effective technologies available to solve real individual and organizational problems in everyday communications—from overcoming writer’s block to tackling an email backlog in minutes, and more.

Personally, I wouldn't use Grammarly; at some point, there's going to be little to no (plagiarism-wise) difference between using it or something like ChatGPT to improve your writing. (For the record, I don't have a problem with generative AI being used to improve and paraphrase writing, what I have a problem with is using it, for anything, without credit: I can't see how an attribution requirement would upset anyone but those wanting to appear to possess a skill that they're actually missing.)

Also, even before embracing generative AI (so, a little unrelated to this discussion, but, still worth pointing out, I think), Grammarly has (as far as I know) always been a closed-source online-only profit-driven black box... Definitely not the smartest thing (privacy-wise) you could choose to become reliant on and habitually pipe most/all of your writing/correspondence through.

[EarnOnVictor]

3. I always review the chatbot's output before posting, so I never just copy and paste chatbot output like an idiot.
4. It's not surprising that most of you are against chatbots and AI, but I hope you can understand that I'm using it to try  prevent scam from spreading.
5. The chatbot has already helped me create scam accusation threads and flag some scammers, which has resulted in some scammers stopping their posts and one of them even getting banned.
6. I'll make sure to add a signature to all my replies and threads to let everyone know that I'm using a chatbot.
7. I did forget to search if this topic has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a thread specifically asking whether the usage of chatbots/AI should be banned in form of a forum poll.

3. I've heard about tutoring an AI to post like you but I still do not believe it and I see those who are using AI to post to be lazy people. What is difficult in expressing yourself by yourself? Well, maybe I see it that way because I love writing. However, I've read you well that you made the AI usage known to all, so someone like you will always be forgiven and the fact that you still edit it means that it is no more 100% AI. Otherwise, your plagiarism may be too much.

4&5. This is normal, a forum like this will frown on such an act, but judging by what you used it for and a practical example of catching a violator with it means that your usage of it is positive to the forum. So I wonder what the forum stands to lose.

6. You don't need that. Anyone who calls you out will certainly be addressed because you've already openly stated your style and the reason for it.

7. You need to forgive the ineffectiveness of our search engines, it has never been reliable. But I can assure you that there are many similar topics like this on the forum.