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July 09, 2024, 08:26:21 AM
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AI can also be beneficial for the human race, because it can free us to concentrate on things that are more important.

Most people are working between 8 to 10 hours a day, doing something repetative, that most AI can do. Let's say AI can be  used to "free" up some time for people to study or learn new skills and also to enjoy life more.

Why should people work 8 to 10 hour shifts in a low paying job, if they can do something better with their time. (Higher production = more taxes for the government and more taxes can be used to pay for the skill improvement of the human race.)
That's the positive side, but we also have to look at the negative side, there will be a lot of people losing their income if more companies use AI.
If you look at the profits obtained by companies that can produce more and also reduce the costs of paying workers' wages, it is very necessary, but I think this is unfair for people who depend on their work only for their living.

Maybe not all jobs that have to be used rely on AI, you have to think about lots of people too as long as there is no loss of income/jobs.
Maybe I think AI is better used for difficult jobs or jobs that cannot be done by humans (for example heavy work).

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July 09, 2024, 01:17:11 PM
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I think the impact of AI technology on jobs could be significant both good and bad. In terms of benefits AI technology will reduce costs and increase individual empowerment and new types of jobs will be created on the other hand, if you look at its disadvantages because of AI technology the jobs of many people can be lost, so people have to upgrade themselves and their skills.  It is a fact that one needs people to operate the technology and those who scale themselves now and improve their skills will succeed in the future.

You've just mentioned it. I don't believe that AI is a threat to people's job. Although, anything that has advantages must surely have some level of disadvantages. However, AI jobs have really been so beneficial to the world as it has also helped job owners to optimize their jobs and challenged them to upscale their skills. For those who are open to learning and adopting new technologies, AI have come about precision and assisted creative people to work faster. For instance, if it takes you 30 minutes to design some concept notes for some projects, with AI being used with the right prompts, that can be achieved in few minutes. In terms of precision, AI helps you to get exact information or details. With the right tools in place, AI can assist you generate the right data analysis and become more data-driven.
Yes it does have that disadvantages but if you do try to weight out or trying out to compare in between it's advantages or utility or benefits then you could really say that AI existence does surely benefit humankind.It is really just that people are really that focusing or minding too much about ai on taking the world or what or speaking or talking about getting peoples jobs on which.its true but we do know that technology does goes advanced on which it would be that understandable and lets not see this as.a major issue.
For going on POV of a worker then you would really be having those reaction or anger.but instead on making yourself that mindful about it,then why you can't just find for some solutions if you do saw that you would gonna potentially lose your work?

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July 09, 2024, 05:47:37 PM
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I think the impact of AI technology on jobs could be significant both good and bad. In terms of benefits AI technology will reduce costs and increase individual empowerment and new types of jobs will be created on the other hand, if you look at its disadvantages because of AI technology the jobs of many people can be lost, so people have to upgrade themselves and their skills.  It is a fact that one needs people to operate the technology and those who scale themselves now and improve their skills will succeed in the future.

The disadvantages is usually more than the advantages and the moment AI is focused on their be a lot of problems, since people will prefer to us AI than pay people then the issue now is how do people survive because it’s usually no work no pay people will find it difficult to survive. And I bet you the moment people start going fully on AI and people are out of their jobs the way crime will increase even the government will not be able to control the rate at which it will go. Politicians are very selfish because all they want always is something that will favour them aside that one they don’t care because most of those companies belong to them. The thing will only favor them and not the citizens. The problem we are all facing globally is we that voted on reliable people that only care about them self. AI might make things easy, we know we can not do without it but rely on it is too much, their is no way it won’t affect us.

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July 09, 2024, 10:46:57 PM
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I think the impact of AI technology on jobs could be significant both good and bad. In terms of benefits AI technology will reduce costs and increase individual empowerment and new types of jobs will be created on the other hand, if you look at its disadvantages because of AI technology the jobs of many people can be lost, so people have to upgrade themselves and their skills.  It is a fact that one needs people to operate the technology and those who scale themselves now and improve their skills will succeed in the future.

The disadvantages is usually more than the advantages and the moment AI is focused on their be a lot of problems, since people will prefer to us AI than pay people then the issue now is how do people survive because it’s usually no work no pay people will find it difficult to survive. And I bet you the moment people start going fully on AI and people are out of their jobs the way crime will increase even the government will not be able to control the rate at which it will go. Politicians are very selfish because all they want always is something that will favour them aside that one they don’t care because most of those companies belong to them. The thing will only favor them and not the citizens. The problem we are all facing globally is we that voted on reliable people that only care about them self. AI might make things easy, we know we can not do without it but rely on it is too much, their is no way it won’t affect us.
We have no idea how this is going to be solved, taking into account the progress AI has, it will not be long until the majority of the jobs available today disappear and are done by AI, and while new jobs will be created, they will be fewer in number and will be incredibly specialized, with most people never having a chance to try to get them, so how will society function at that point? As a lot of people not only work to get their pay, they value their work and it is part of their identity, and without that we may see a lot of people getting lost and being confused about what to do with their lives.
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July 09, 2024, 10:56:33 PM
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Most companies don't publicly say it but behind the hood, they have started adopting AI for day-to-day workplace activities and it's only going to get serious in the near future. Already there are very limited amount of jobs and with AI, the number of roles a company need (bare minimum) will still reduce by up to 70%. A lot of people say that those who adapt quickly to AI tooling will eventually be shown the door too as AI gets more smarter and knowledgeable. LLMs are continously pushing the bounds of what's possible and what's not.


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July 09, 2024, 11:49:57 PM
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Ai will improve society for sure, there is no doubt in my mind that any tool which is capable of gifting a harness to the common population for computing power will be transformative.   Its natural to fear because its harder to see over the horizon and people fear what they cannot see.

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July 10, 2024, 08:14:17 AM
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Ai will improve society for sure, there is no doubt in my mind that any tool which is capable of gifting a harness to the common population for computing power will be transformative.   Its natural to fear because its harder to see over the horizon and people fear what they cannot see.

Like the existence of machineries where lots of people got afraid to lose their jobs because it can automate certain things needed to perform and it can mass produce product in short period of time but nothing happens. People still got a job and human interaction towards certain task is irreplaceable.

Maybe there are certain job s will be affected but provably that it cannot hurt the whole work force and employer will put those affected people to other work task.

People should not get feared unless they experience the effect of technology since if they thinking about anything didn't happened yet then they are just giving their selves a confusion or stress.


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July 10, 2024, 08:22:51 AM
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Most companies don't publicly say it but behind the hood, they have started adopting AI for day-to-day workplace activities and it's only going to get serious in the near future. Already there are very limited amount of jobs and with AI, the number of roles a company need (bare minimum) will still reduce by up to 70%. A lot of people say that those who adapt quickly to AI tooling will eventually be shown the door too as AI gets more smarter and knowledgeable. LLMs are continously pushing the bounds of what's possible and what's not.


AI tools are great and all but honestly, we haven't reached at that point where LLM could work seamlessly, despite the billions of parameter supplied to the LLM model often time there are many hallucinations coming from the LLM model therefore still not a reliable tool to be used for industry yet.
at best currently it works like simple tool that helps doing repetitive work but that's about it, not to mention copyright infringement risk with the use of AI that train from data not obtained in a good manner so from the view point of industrial sector, the use of AI honestly still not that much beneficial.

overall, I think most companies using AI under the hood is because they still so uncertain with the legality aspect of the AI itself, not to mention the use of AI is depicted as not morally good since it means there's lays off.

but yeah, moving forward, these LLM models will just get better, it's just matter of time, the billions of money poured into the AI industry will just further speed up the process.

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July 10, 2024, 08:52:52 AM
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LLMs are continously pushing the bounds of what's possible and what's not.

It pushes the boundaries in all directions, both good and bad. Every technology has pros & cons, and many technological advances seem to be used for the wrong purposes. The older I get, the less I like the direction in which it's going, I wonder where the progress will end and when we will dedicate ourselves more to people and nature. The fact is that some technologies that exist do more bad things than contribute to the betterment of all people and this world we live in, in which our children and future generations should live.

In the end, the vast majority of companies only think about profit... they don't think about whether something is good, ethically, and morally correct. All that matters is profit and figuring out ways to make even more profit in the future.

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July 10, 2024, 12:17:09 PM
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We cannot avoid the development of AI, it is something we have to accept whether we like it or not. But even though it is developing and getting smarter every day, it is not able to beat humans, because AI is based on the data and information it obtains and it does not have feelings and conscience like a human in general. So even though in some sectors there will be jobs taken over by AI, there are limits to that and not all jobs will be taken over by AI - and it is very likely that there will be new jobs that will be created.
But that doesn't mean that we don't need to pay attention to this, because AI technology can be a double-edged sword and the government needs to regulate it before it harms society.

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July 10, 2024, 01:09:16 PM
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We cannot avoid the development of AI, it is something we have to accept whether we like it or not. But even though it is developing and getting smarter every day, it is not able to beat humans, because AI is based on the data and information it obtains and it does not have feelings and conscience like a human in general. So even though in some sectors there will be jobs taken over by AI, there are limits to that and not all jobs will be taken over by AI - and it is very likely that there will be new jobs that will be created.
But that doesn't mean that we don't need to pay attention to this, because AI technology can be a double-edged sword and the government needs to regulate it before it harms society.
we cannot avoid the development of the times which will always develop every year, many industries use AI services to mass produce their products, or in other sectors, we cannot avoid this, as you explained, we have to accept that,
as an industrial or other business owner who uses AI, you will benefit from AI because it can reduce operational costs, on the other hand there are workers who become victims, but with AI there will be new jobs created, this will also be profitable and
As workers, we are required to always be creative in developing our talents in our work, so that stability is maintained and AI should be focused on heavy work or other difficult jobs.

and the government must step in to regulate this in order to maintain stability. and it is not impossible that if the government turns a blind eye to the existence of AI, it will make the economy of some communities unstable. The government must immediately find a solution to this
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We cannot avoid the development of AI, it is something we have to accept whether we like it or not. But even though it is developing and getting smarter every day, it is not able to beat humans, because AI is based on the data and information it obtains and it does not have feelings and conscience like a human in general. So even though in some sectors there will be jobs taken over by AI, there are limits to that and not all jobs will be taken over by AI - and it is very likely that there will be new jobs that will be created.
But that doesn't mean that we don't need to pay attention to this, because AI technology can be a double-edged sword and the government needs to regulate it before it harms society.
It's inevitable and this is something that you should that make  yourself accept such reality.Just like other people been saying that if you do find yourself having some hints or doubts that you would be laid off then it would be better that you should be finding options on which you could be able to earn in other methods or ways.We do know that technology will really be getting advanced on and any possible integrations could really happen in a business on which it would be understandable that there would be someone that will really be that affected.

There would really be things that would be affected and there would really be ones that will benefit but just been said that positive will outweighs the negative, so it would really be just that fine.

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July 10, 2024, 04:02:29 PM
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In the end, the vast majority of companies only think about profit... they don't think about whether something is good, ethically, and morally correct. All that matters is profit and figuring out ways to make even more profit in the future.
Ethics is gone when the business is being affected and sales have decreased dramatically. That's why those companies that can replace workers with AIs or robots have gone through that process because it is inevitable.

And for them, they'd save more cost than to pay someone who can join a labor union and complain about work ethics and underpaid overtime.

They don't need to deal with someone who might be a threat to them and will cause them money for cases that might file against them.

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Ethics is gone when the business is being affected and sales have decreased dramatically. That's why those companies that can replace workers with AIs or robots have gone through that process because it is inevitable.

And for them, they'd save more cost than to pay someone who can join a labor union and complain about work ethics and underpaid overtime.

They don't need to deal with someone who might be a threat to them and will cause them money for cases that might file against them.
We would also do the same thing if we were in the position of a company owner who adopted AI so that we could save budget and work could be completed on time without any salary complaints from workers. I realize that it is unfair to respect human resources, but it is different from comparing technological developments in other fields. all work has been assisted by machines and times have changed, including company work has been assisted by technology.

However, AI will not be able to do all the company's work and there are still many job vacancies for human work, but we have to prepare for the future with technological developments and we have to prepare skills according to the company's job needs.

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July 11, 2024, 10:11:01 AM
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I do not think that it is as scary as people think it is. Sure maybe in the future we may see a movie studio that makes movies by getting AI to write it and animate it, but we are not going to see AI breaking nuclear codes or something, lets not get there, at least not yet. Most people are reacting as if we are going to see the doom because of this but we are not going to see that, we are going to do much better without trouble if we focus on the right way.

We need to consider how that is not going to be all that simple, and we could make it change with time. I hope that people could focus on the part where it is going to improve our life if we know how to use it well, if we do that then slowly we are going to get better results.

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July 11, 2024, 11:14:25 AM
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Ethics is gone when the business is being affected and sales have decreased dramatically. That's why those companies that can replace workers with AIs or robots have gone through that process because it is inevitable.

And for them, they'd save more cost than to pay someone who can join a labor union and complain about work ethics and underpaid overtime.

They don't need to deal with someone who might be a threat to them and will cause them money for cases that might file against them.
We would also do the same thing if we were in the position of a company owner who adopted AI so that we could save budget and work could be completed on time without any salary complaints from workers. I realize that it is unfair to respect human resources, but it is different from comparing technological developments in other fields. all work has been assisted by machines and times have changed, including company work has been assisted by technology.
We probably might do the same but there are business owners that are really for their people. By that, I mean that they care for the welfare of their people as they know that it is their mission aside to profit but also to give livelihood to their employees.

Not that many of these kinds of entrepreneurs and businessmen are there, but I know for a fact that there are still a remaining few. Because if I'd have businesses, that's what I'll do.

However, AI will not be able to do all the company's work and there are still many job vacancies for human work, but we have to prepare for the future with technological developments and we have to prepare skills according to the company's job needs.
That's right, AI isn't capable of all especially the ones that are needed labor.

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July 11, 2024, 12:11:26 PM
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I do not think that it is as scary as people think it is. Sure maybe in the future we may see a movie studio that makes movies by getting AI to write it and animate it, but we are not going to see AI breaking nuclear codes or something, lets not get there, at least not yet. Most people are reacting as if we are going to see the doom because of this but we are not going to see that, we are going to do much better without trouble if we focus on the right way.

We need to consider how that is not going to be all that simple, and we could make it change with time. I hope that people could focus on the part where it is going to improve our life if we know how to use it well, if we do that then slowly we are going to get better results.
AI is a damn mirror of us, our brilliance, and our neuroses, not some Terminator shit. Examining personal finance, guy, Not by being some robo-advisor, but by crunching numbers at ridiculous speed and identifying patterns we would miss, artificial intelligence can completely improve our money game. It's about arming us to make wiser decisions, not substituting for us

Deep, buddy, the AI and human thing is quite deep. It's about creating a future that reflects our ideals, not only about code. Imagine AI guiding us through relationships or enabling us to decode the entire chaotic emotional range. That's guy, next-level connection! By concentrating on that, we are not only developing technology but also a tool to produce a more rich and significant human experience

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July 11, 2024, 08:39:03 PM
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We cannot avoid the development of AI, it is something we have to accept whether we like it or not. But even though it is developing and getting smarter every day, it is not able to beat humans, because AI is based on the data and information it obtains and it does not have feelings and conscience like a human in general. So even though in some sectors there will be jobs taken over by AI, there are limits to that and not all jobs will be taken over by AI - and it is very likely that there will be new jobs that will be created.
But that doesn't mean that we don't need to pay attention to this, because AI technology can be a double-edged sword and the government needs to regulate it before it harms society.
AI will be here for good, and its continuous development is inevitable. If it's not yet completely recognized this time, I believe in the future it will, and that's something people have to prepare. It could be a great competition for us more than we can imagine.

However, people will always be people, and without us, the world's labor will drop badly if they chose to rely for AI. There's still a big difference when it comes to works by AI and works by people, the quality will always be at its highest when done by hardworking and almost perfect people, compared to any AI that is still operated by a single person and just programmed it to the computer.

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July 12, 2024, 01:27:23 AM
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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.

It's still too early to tell. We might need to wait another decade or so to determine whenever or not AI is mature enough to replace the jobs of everyday people. Even if AI proves to be highly-efficient and cost-effective (through automation), there will always be a need for the "human touch". I'd say AI has progressed a lot, but it doesn't pose a threat to humanity yet. When it becomes as self-conscious and aware as Terminator's Skynet, that's when we need to worry about AI taking control over everything.

I don't want to live in a future where AI replaces humans. It will be nothing but utter disaster. "The future is not set", so lets hope for the best.

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July 12, 2024, 05:50:40 PM
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I think we have to be very careful with AI but I don’t think it’s going to be taking a large % of human jobs any time soon. It can be used in the workplace to help people & as time goes on & it becomes more refined it could do certain human tasks but I think major concerns at the moment are not needed.

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