retiring an account in the age of AI

[Lida93]

If I was in your position I won't be red tagging my account as a part to retirement, it's not worth it after saving a reputation for years then have to permit a dent on it at the end. How do we get to explain that to the understanding of new members afterwards.

You should take the recommendations giving above by other members, because red tag always have a stigma in the forum irrespective of the reason it's given whether good or bad, by permission or omission.

[Nwada001]

AI usage is increasing day after day, and they are also advancing it in such a way that it's not even possible to detect which write-up is written by AI and which is written by humans with their new humanised AI writing tool.
 
But that's not enough reason for an account that stands as a role model to others, an account that is respected by others, and information they get from it to be painted red. Just imagine what that will look like. It's not just the profile we are talking about here; it's about legacy too. As one of the oldest active members here in the forum, that won't look good at all from my personal point of view.
 
A neutral and personal thread announcing one's retirement is the best thing to do for others to take note of in case a hacker tries to impersonate the account.

[promise444c5]

I think the idea of red tag will leave your account in a ridiculous  state, the way people see red tag is just red zone
Maybe there could be an additional signature area which will be permanent once edited  I.e can only be done once by the user ( there could be a certain time limit  to unlock by a user + once done account becomes inactive forever so it will be a use strict feature...
Just saying this could be done to pose a sig.tag on such account by user so this will show on every post that has been made by such user (E.g (Retired))

[Alone055]

I hope you don't have any serious illness or something and if you wish to leave the forum, it's for something better and you will venture into something more important for you and your loved ones.

That being said, just like everyone else suggested, it would be much better to create a thread when you decide to leave permanently and ask theymos to lock the account or give it a custom title or something so that even if what you fear happens, those dealing with the account understand that they are not dealing with the original owner of the account, and instead of red tags, there should be neutral tags indicating that the original owner has left the forum permanently and if someone has access to the account, it's either a hacker or an impersonator.

However, I wouldn't want you or any reputable members to leave the forum. It just doesn't feel right, makes me kinda sad as well.

[Rengga Jati]

Why not just create a thread in reputation and announce if you will leave the forum? in case you want to comeback, you need to sign a message from your old address. I think these two things are enough to prove someone ownership.

This should be a fairly effective way to notify members here that your account is retired. As several people did, just like Lauda did before and it really worked until now the account is safe.

Lauda Profile

By making or creating a post of goodbye BitcoinTalk forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.msg55407286#msg55407286

Make a statement on the related reputation about "PGP-key compromised and revoked."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159946.msg55407295#msg55407295

And even it's needed, Neutral flag given.
Or asking for account banned.

Maybe that could be an example of terminating an account on this forum and making it safe in the future from various hackers or AI or something like that.
But exactly, if this is needed to do it. Because now, there is 2fa protection available to be used. But, if this really needed, someone can do it to prevent more.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

According to the recent discussion I was having with a friend, he said that the output of AI is based on preexisting data, and if the results of AI are properly checked, you will always find a thin gap between the original data and that of the AI. In this case, I don't agree that your account should be tagged, if you decide to retire, there are still ways to keep your account free from AI.

I looked at the account of Satoshi which was last active on December 12, 2010, and has not made any posts since then and no tags.

You don't need your account to be tagged, you can just create your last thread and tell the community that you have decided to retire; then your account can be placed on archive by admin, and no AI can act in your absence.

Create a thread as a disclaimer for your retirement.
In that topic, you can state that, anytime your account comes online, members of the forum should request a signed message with your old Bitcoin wallet and the the current date of that day should be included in the signed message.

[vapourminer]

thanks for the comments.

i will say im not planning on leaving and have not had any email/accounts compromised. its just i hate loose ends. so i would want a "lock it and leave it" mode; basically start a new account after if needed.

for some reason i thought it was hard to permanently lock an account here.

I have read a post somewhere where a user tried to train AI to post like a particular user. I guess it was to post like "Franky1," but the result came out negative.  Can't locate the thread link for now.

that sounds interesting if you find it please post a link.

[BlackBoss_]

I looked at the account of Satoshi which was last active on December 12, 2010, and has not made any posts since then and no tags.

Satoshi account was hacked and theymos locked it, after that Satoshi account was no longer compromised. If he wants to come back, he must use his PGP key to sign a message and get approval from theymos.

We might not meet Satoshi Nakamoto again in this forum as an active account but we can always learn Satoshi's lesson.

Will "satoshi" ever login again?

Do you think "satoshi" will ever just randomly log in one day and post something?

His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature.

[nutildah]

I agree with the no red paint options... hypothetically speaking, its gonna be a while before people start training models for the sake of imitating Bitcointalk accounts, and there's ways to protect your account from that possibility, as others have mentioned.

It was a shame what happened to Bruno's account. In that case I think it got sold to a person that pretended to be him, but they did a poor job & didn't take any money. Still its sad that his legacy ended like that, with a -14 trust rating.

[LoyceV]

hypothetically speaking, its gonna be a while before people start training models for the sake of imitating Bitcointalk accounts

A decent AI doesn't need special training, you'll just set it loose and tell it to make you money. If it's a good AI, it'll keep the money for itself.
AI is a hype, it's added to anything now, from browsers to phones. The fact that people sell the idea of an AI to make money instead of having the AI make money directly tells me all I need to know about that "AI". Let's say I don't fear the AI that's being sold (although the spam is annoying), but I'm pretty sure we should fear the (future) AI that's being kept private.

[JollyGood]

If the options you mentioned are not going to be considered then what about directly asking admin to give accounts a retirement tag in their profile next to their member rank? The caveat being if someone asks for a retirement of their account then it is a one way request that cannot be undone. That way nobody including the owner/operator of the account (or any future AI hack attempt) will be able to access it.

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

edit: aside from setting up OTP and setting a password to something ridiculous, then destroying them both. i want something that makes the underlying account useless for taking over in the 1st place.

[Spaceman1000$]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

edit: aside from setting up OTP and setting a password to something ridiculous, then destroying them both. i want something that makes the underlying account useless for taking over in the 1st place.

I think the whole idea is to just show the community members that this account holder has retired or want to go on retirement, rather than wanting to use the negative tag procedure to neutralize the account so as to show that any post generated from this account is fake, why not just go on a public declaration and make an announcement and say that going forward from today, you are going on permanent retirement from the the forum and that you will be stopping the forum activities forthwith. at least that will permanently register on people's mind that this account holder is no longer on active service and has gone on retirement.

So that whosoever that might later come in the future to start posting or writing threads and mimicking your pattern of write up, will be reminded about the stance of the account, and whosoever the person is that is using the account to post is an imposter.

[Faisal2202]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

Are you really retiring from this forum or are you just emphasizing the impact of AI and how it changes the way people should resign? I don't know how it would be possible for a person to take over your account unless the admin gives it to someone else. I do have the idea that there are AI bots that can read all of your posts and mimic yourself but till now I find not a single bot. Maybe one with good AL or ML skills could pull this up but I don't think that's going to happen with your account.

I think you just don't want to leave or someone has access to your account already and trying to ask people to give you a negative. Which is useless as it can be removed. So, what's the catch in here. I really don't understand, why would you want a negative while when new members not knowing you will join the forum see your account they will think you did something bad which obviously can be prevented by giving some suitable comment while giving trust. I think neutral would be enough.

[Majestic-milf]

If I was in your position I won't be red tagging my account as a part to retirement, it's not worth it after saving a reputation for years then have to permit a dent on it at the end. How do we get to explain that to the understanding of new members afterwards.

You should take the recommendations giving above by other members, because red tag always have a stigma in the forum irrespective of the reason it's given whether good or bad, by permission or omission.

I think red tagging an account is absurd and he knows that but I feel he chose that option to pass across how seriously he is against an AI taking control of his account. It's like if he doesn't put such measures, it would seem as if his account is participating in deceiving others.
 

Other users have suggested cool options, op and if you are to ask me, either you lock the account or better ask an staff to disable it, if that can be done.

[DYING_S0UL]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

Locking the account will be the best option for me. The forum is not just for interaction but it is like an archive or historical information bank. People will keep visiting this forum for many years to learn and also identify reputable members. Some people will not be patient enough to read the reason for these red tags. Immediately they see these red tags they just assume that they were scammers or contributed negatively to the forum. Although I would like to see only green colors in the account of some reputable members a neutral tag might be manageable for security reasons.

The best option would be asking theymos directly give him a custom title. Since vapourminer has been with this forum from the very beginning and everyone knows him and holds a good reputation, I'm sure theymos would hear his request to give him a custom title. Having a red tag on a completely innocent account doesn't look so fair. New users would think that as scam at a first glance!
 

[Lucius]

Hypothetically, even if AI took over someone's BTT account, it can never completely take over someone's online identity if it does not have access to a signed BTC address, which most senior members have. This should remove any doubt as to the true identity of the owner.

However, as things stand, it is claimed that in a period of 5-10 years, AI will advance so much that it will no longer be possible to distinguish between content created by humans and AI. I assume that in that time many of us will leave the forum, in one way or another.

[Hazink]

I have read a post somewhere where a user tried to train AI to post like a particular user. I guess it was to post like "Franky1," but the result came out negative.  Can't locate the thread link for now.

that sounds interesting if you find it please post a link.

This is the post I was referring to. It took me time to search out since I’m currently on mobile, but I finally got it since I was able to recall the name of the user who made the comment. I just happened to search through his post history.

I really wanted to train ChatGPT to write in the style of franky1. I fed it like 100 of his posts and told it to write a response in his style, which is a very distinct writing style. It couldn't do it. What it could do was mimic his negativity and more-or-less convey his positions on things. But it couldn't capture the essence of his style.

If you want to train an AI language model to write in your style, I'm sure its possible, I just don't know what tool to use to make that happen.

[Jewan420]

AI usage is increasing day after day, and they are also advancing it in such a way that it's not even possible to detect which write-up is written by AI and which is written by humans with their new humanised AI writing tool.
 

AI technology is improving day by day. It is very difficult to tell which is real and which is created by AI. But it is very difficult to imitate human thinking by AI. I don't think recognizing AI generated text would be too difficult for a skilled technician but could be difficult for a layperson.

Tarnishing a hard-earned trusted account with a red tag just out of fear of AI bots will be negative for newbies. They might see a red tag on your account and think it's a scam account. Without taking such action, you may close your account by declaring retirement from your account prior to retirement.

[348Judah]

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

edit: aside from setting up OTP and setting a password to something ridiculous, then destroying them both. i want something that makes the underlying account useless for taking over in the 1st place.

there can't be a hundred effectively of the use of AI on your account for impersonation, it can be easily detected if checked, just from the way we can easily get to know a post that is AI generated, but nevertheless, if your account is not compromised and no one have access to it, they can't make a pirate copy of it as exactly as you can appear, the more an attempt is made the more it may be reported for plagiarism or being tagged on the forum.

[KingsDen]

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

This will be possible if we are allowed to give negative tag with the tone of a positive feedback. For instance;
vapourminer was a big asset to the forum. He is leaving, I had to drop this feedback to prevent AI from impersonating him in the future (his greatest fear).

LOL, but this is not allowed. We keep positive feedback positive, negative feedback should be negative and as well as neutral.