Filipinos Playing crypto games for a living - Developer even says it is gambling

[CryptSafe]

I think this is a good initiative from the developers to keep up with the play to earn games so that their country men can be able to earn from the games they play. To the best of my knowledge, that country has no much resources that can sustain their nationals so they can go to any means that seems legit to see how they can generate a means of income for themselves.

 Now that it is the era of gamefi  ie P2E and there are lots of telegram tap games that earn players rewards of their token to trade for fiat, I believe they could take advantage of it and earn from it so they could be able to trade the token rewards for money when the time and opportunity avails itself.

[seoincorporation]

The games industry considera this as a marketing campaign, spend money on players sometimes has a better impact than spend that same money on adds, and I see this as a good practice.

And that doesn't happen only in the philipines, that's something that we see all around the wold nowadays. In latam we have some influencers like Fernando Flow who uses his network to promote New games.

[alani123]

The Philippines is ruled by a dictatorial government that has stayed in power by fully taking advantage of the Philippine people's poverty. Philippines have become a hub for outsourcing and for cheap labour. Labour rights are non existent over there. It's a large corporation's dream.

But for the people that live under these conditions it's a modern hell. No infrastructure, rising costs, crumbling cities and to too it all off, a dictator that has lavish holidays in his many homes abroad with the people's money. The minimum wage in the Philippines is so low that for them it is worth it to stay online all day and grind some shitty play to earn games. It's not just crypto games, they also play games like WoW and Old School RuneScape. It's a very sad reality. Hopefully people in the Philippines will soon rise up against this good for nothing status quo that has been imposed on them.

[Wexnident]

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Personally know a friend who's one of these guys, or at least part of a group. They beta-test a lot of web3 games and earn like a LOT of money off of it. They don't play for the tokens or whatnot, just test the games play it for 8 hrs a day, even more and the team behind the game pays them. Probably why they earn a lot in the first place since they're not really doing crypto, just standard, generic job of playing games.

For the games like Axie they showed on the vid, I highly doubt they earn that much. Even if it was higher than the minimum wage I don't think it'd be higher by that much in the first place. Wouldn't really say it's better than a job where you can hone your skill. But well, honing their skill is probably the last thing they want to consider when earning money tbf.

[blockman]

I've watched this video and that explanation of the developer whom I know by his name is really explaining a gamble. While most of us have been very optimistic with the NFT games like Axie Infinity, it's true that it is very risky and many of us have been delved into it trying to survive during the pandemic. But after the brutality of the bearish season, everyone have started to take an exit and took the losses just like me. The risk is there for NFT games not just for the games but also for the market and token that we'll receive playing them.

[avp2306]

I maybe don't agree to the article spreading that Filipinos Playing crypto game to escape poverty since I just had a feeling that they used that title to click bait their readers. Since at first place filipino young or old love to play pc and mobile games. Maybe they are just grabbing the opportunity to earn money while playing when they discover that there are ways to monetize their time playing those games they like then earn from it.

But for sure that's few percentage people living in that country since not all know the existence of crypto games also people are so busy working their ass on other thing. Axie infinity really open up a lot of of opportunity for people to seek for other more source to gain and there's nothing wrong with this since its just show that young people now are so smart to grab those opportunities able and they are not just wasting their time for nonsense games out there.

[Darker45]

I don't understand how it became gambling. Playing blockchain-based games isn't gambling. They're not even betting. They're risking nothing at all. So, how are these gamers gambling? They're earning because of the rewards provided by the games. Their income is more or less stable. It isn't like they earn sometimes and lose sometimes. They treat these games as their source of income.

I remember Axie Infinity players a few years ago earning more than a thousand dollars a month by merely playing for a couple of hours each day. That's good enough income. They have a lot of time left for the day that's why many of them are keeping more than one account. Others are playing different play-to-earn games. I also remember Wax blockchain as one of the popular options for these gamers.

[LogitechMouse]

Whenever these developers wanted to make a Play-2-Earn game, their target is always our country - the Philippines. I mean why not? Axie Infinity, Pegaxy, Plants Vs. Undead are the ones that became popular P2E games when it was on hype, and for sure, many people made huge money playing on it.

Playing while earning. This what makes it attractive and for a developing country like the Philippines, it's really attractive especially if you realize that you can earn way more than working 8 hours earning only minimum wage and the best part is, you are only spending at least half of the usual 8 hours working time to earn twice as much. These developers are using our country to attract more investors. As for these crypto games that can be considered as gambling, I don't see any gambling feature from them aside from the fact that you might lose your money if the developers decided to rug pull from their investors.

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I also remember Wax blockchain as one of the popular options for these gamers.

This Wax blockchain reminded me of the game "Alien Worlds" where you are just clicking and clicking that makes me bored from the first hour of doing it. Same with Cryptoblades.

[rdbase]

The games industry considera this as a marketing campaign, spend money on players sometimes has a better impact than spend that same money on adds, and I see this as a good practice.

And that doesn't happen only in the philipines, that's something that we see all around the wold nowadays. In latam we have some influencers like Fernando Flow who uses his network to promote New games.

This is so very true. They are wanting to have a different approach now. Maybe the rise and fall of Axie Infinity showed future developers of these P2E games the error of their ways.
I remember when the coin was valued very high but when the collapse of FTX happened it suffered until it wasn't worth nearly anything to anyone.

Whenever these developers wanted to make a Play-2-Earn game, their target is always our country - the Philippines. I mean why not? Axie Infinity, Pegaxy, Plants Vs. Undead are the ones that became popular P2E games when it was on hype, and for sure, many people made huge money playing on it.

Playing while earning. This what makes it attractive and for a developing country like the Philippines, it's really attractive especially if you realize that you can earn way more than working 8 hours earning only minimum wage and the best part is, you are only spending at least half of the usual 8 hours working time to earn twice as much. These developers are using our country to attract more investors. As for these crypto games that can be considered as gambling, I don't see any gambling feature from them aside from the fact that you might lose your money if the developers decided to rug pull from their investors.

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I also remember Wax blockchain as one of the popular options for these gamers.

This Wax blockchain reminded me of the game "Alien Worlds" where you are just clicking and clicking that makes me bored from the first hour of doing it. Same with Cryptoblades.

Funny that you mentioned Undead because for the very first time I seen and actually noticed it while visiting a Coin Price Market website as an advertisement and clicked on it. All because I had  posted about this earlier today and wanted to see if it was one of these Pay to Earn games. And was in the least surprised when I did, that it was.

Now there was this thread I had noticed with the same concept over at the altcoin topic that might be the same:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5499333.0

[Davidvictorson]

When I first watched this on YouTube, I didn't give it much thought. However, since it has been brought here to the forum for discussions, I will share my thoughts.

- Who makes the most money. I kept wondering as I watched it. Is it the cyber cafe owner where the kids gather to play, the players, or the developers?

- I also disagree with the developer who said this is not gambling. It is gambling because there is a wager for an expected financial outcome.

- The probability of getting addicted to these games is very high most especially by those who are underaged. Therefore, I think the government should step in and do some regulation.

- It seems the casinos have to gear up for real competition. While it may not kick them out of business, they are probably going to see a drop in their revenue as people shift their attention to this new way of "making - easy - money".

[Apocollapse]

P2E games aren't promising, Mobile Legends is really popular in The Philippines. The games isn't P2E, but if you gets fame and your performance is very good, you will make a lot money and you don't have to switch the games since the popularity high unlikely would ends.

- Who makes the most money. I kept wondering as I watched it. Is it the cyber cafe owner where the kids gather to play, the players, or the developers?

The developers makes the most money, even though they're giving free tokens to the players, but they get a lot investment, sponsors, top up from the players, data from the players etc.

Cyber cafe owners should make more money than the players, but if the players are really funny and there are a lot followers donate them money, the players could be rich than the cyber cafe owners.

[Hewlet]

This is just a normal strategy that's used to promote a new project that has just joined the market to gain popularity. It's just almost the same with crypto airdrop games where participants get a fraction of the allocated coin that's to be released when they participate in the project by playing the games. Because participant want to get more coin and that the only way to do so is through consistent playing of the games, it cause them to remain active players and help the game to continue gaining relevance in the long run. 

I wouldn't call it gambling since it's more of a play to earn game rather than a pay to earn or lose game. It's only going to become addictive and unnecessarily engaging to some extent since it will consume more time of the individual players and maybe deprive them the time they would have used in putting into a more productive activity. At the end of the day, the cafe owners makes money from the game while most players struggle and easily become addicted in the game.

[TravelMug]

There's a lot of games that are very popular in the Philippines and it seems that our country is in top if every crypto based.

Even before the rise of P2E Axie Infinity in the market, the Philippines is one of the country that really make this game very popular and there are people around in my neighbourhood that time that really makes good money during it's hype so I'm not surprised by this.

As for who is making the most money, everyone, developers, cafe owners or even those players, so it's really a win win that's why it's popular in the country.

[danherbias07]

I don't think so unless you have a computer shop that can make multiple accounts.

You dont actually need to. Most of the people that farm these play2earn game, play with bare minimum effort daily. Probably just do few simple daily task and switch off to another accounts.

In fact, I know a whole family of 5 that handle around 200 accounts daily. They farm up in game currency on that pixels ( play2earn game ) then sell it off to another player. They make decent amount which according to them is quite huge compared to their living cost so I guess that they could be living somewhere in Asia with lower living cost

Wow! That must be exhausting for them. Also, I saw cryptocurrency online games who are restricting the usage of the same IP address or however they trace it. I think they did that with some of the games that I played. Mir4 can let one IP create 2 accounts because it's allowed since their program has Game Start 1 and Game Start 2 which is like telling you to create one more. Are they working on every account using data only? If it's one line internet subscribed then I don't think it can be done unless they use VPN. Still, I don't think I can do such a thing, just 2 accounts already made me puke.

This is why I am amazed by those who can do this because I know they do exist. I guess it will also depend on every game. Because in Mir4, you cannot just do the dailies and make money, you need to farm minerals to exchange it for their currency so it should be running unless they can create a program that will run it without eating too much memory in the computer or smartphone. Just like what they did with Ragnarok before.

[HONDACD125]

I think it's not only in the Philippines but a lot of people from different third-world countries get involved in such things when they realize that there are opportunities to make money from such things. Besides, the newer generation is more into online things and working from home than going out and finding jobs that require physical attendance.

Even in my country, thousands of people are always looking for ways to earn money online because the internet and smartphones have spread all around, and people are now realizing that they can make money online and everyone wants a share of that.

However, I don't see how this is gambling, it could be compared with trading I guess because if you are paying some fees to play a game, you tend to risk some money to try and get profit from it, but if you do research and choose good projects, you will get ROI for sure.

[lovesmayfamilis]

While I'm not a gamer or a fan, my husband is. However, if I were motivated by the financial benefits of games, I would gladly join the society of players. It is the wasted time spent on the computer playing games that irritates me somewhat, and I have always believed that wasting time is not the right step. Especially if these games can help people in need improve their financial situation, this is, in my opinion, an excellent idea. In our fast world, everything is valued in money, and if both parties benefit, then such games are much better than just passing time.

[rdbase]

I think it's not only in the Philippines but a lot of people from different third-world countries get involved in such things when they realize that there are opportunities to make money from such things. Besides, the newer generation is more into online things and working from home than going out and finding jobs that require physical attendance.

Even in my country, thousands of people are always looking for ways to earn money online because the internet and smartphones have spread all around, and people are now realizing that they can make money online and everyone wants a share of that.

However, I don't see how this is gambling, it could be compared with trading I guess because if you are paying some fees to play a game, you tend to risk some money to try and get profit from it, but if you do research and choose good projects, you will get ROI for sure.

Which country is that if you wouldn't mind me asking since we are trying to gain a perspective that it is not only in the Philippines that this phenomenon is occurring currently as the video would suggest to us.
I wouldn't doubt that this happens in many other places around the world as many other countries currencies have fallen in recent months such as richer countries for example the Yuen in Japan.
So I would not doubt there are these types of Cyber Cafes popping up around there as well and gathering a mass following from there aswell in recent months.

Now the part you and others had mentioned on the thread so far when it comes to it becoming like gambling.
If you had watched closely when they interviewed one of the developers from the game with the smiley face on the screen, you will hear him say "..this is a type of gambling since the player pays for the possibly of winning more if their choice wins". Now they explain how this new concept they were introducing to the game was a type of bingo where the player would risk their earnings to gain more but there would be a probability that they might lose.
This is the essence of gambling.
So don't be fooled with the name of it all and this is just a game, because it is not.
It is big business and we all know that they need to make money somehow so to stay in business.

[hedgeh0g]

While I'm not a gamer or a fan, my husband is. However, if I were motivated by the financial benefits of games, I would gladly join the society of players. It is the wasted time spent on the computer playing games that irritates me somewhat, and I have always believed that wasting time is not the right step. Especially if these games can help people in need improve their financial situation, this is, in my opinion, an excellent idea. In our fast world, everything is valued in money, and if both parties benefit, then such games are much better than just passing time.

The fact is that there is a lot of useless work in the world, and after that, making money in computer crypto games looks very good. But even this is not the main thing, the whole point here is that in poor countries, earning even a couple of dollars in the game is already an excellent result, because the players see how hard it was for their parents to make money while doing difficult work in the field growing crops.

The digital crypto world is developing at a rapid pace, sometimes I even think that if everyone starts playing and earning money in games, then who will be doctors or mechanics...

[Kelward]

Any means to make money that is not illegal is welcomed by me and I'm happy that the youths in the Philippines are taking advantage of these crypto play to earn games. There is high rate of unemployment in many countries and thankfully the internet and cryptocurrency have provided employment for many in the unemployment market. The youths now finds it very convenient to relax in front of their computers or smart phones to engage in making money online. Whether it's gambling, crypto or social media, they prefer it than working on a farm like the guy in the OP video or being employed to do hard jobs.

[Darker45]

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I also remember Wax blockchain as one of the popular options for these gamers.

This Wax blockchain reminded me of the game "Alien Worlds" where you are just clicking and clicking that makes me bored from the first hour of doing it. Same with Cryptoblades.

There was actually a number of popular play-to-earn games built on the Wax blockchain. Alien Worlds was one. I've also tried it and you're right; it was boring. Strictly speaking, it wasn't even a game. You aren't playing. You're just clicking on buttons. Characters aren't even moving.

Although I didn't survive playing play-to-earn games, I can say that there's so much money in it. I've got family and friends who were into it. They're making good money. Especially if you intend to spend 8 hours on it, you'd be earning so well.