Help!

[BTCRSMD]

Hey everyone, stupid mistake from a newbie and I just can't figure out what to do. I bought BTC through Swan, then bought a Trezor, downloaded Samourai (this was a while back), moved everything from Swan's custody to the Samourai wallet and then finally to the Trezor generated address for cold storage. Pretty sure I did everything right at the time. The idea was for longer term hodling but now I'm looking to dip into and spend some of it. Samourai has been seized so I downloaded Mycelium but I'm not sure what to do now. At first I entered in the passphrase to restore a backup wallet which was from the Samourai wallet I used, and it shows in the transaction history where I sent BTC to the cold storage address, but now I'm looking at that public key with my money in it wondering how to move it to the Mycelium wallet address. I believe I read that to spend it I would have to send it to a hot wallet and then send what I want to spend to that person and then the remaining balance back to myself at a newly generated Trezor address. I have the twelve word passphrase to the Trezor that I thought is supposed to hold the keys to the address I generated with the device, but it's been so long since I used it I can't figure out how to make it all work again. The Trezor Suite lite when hooked up to the trezor model T shows me nothing in the dashboard although I thought it would show the balance associated with the address the device generated. I'm so confused. Any help please!

[OmegaStarScream]

Restoring Samurai's seedphrase shouldn't do anything if the funds were sent to the address generated by Trezor wallet. From my understanding that's what you did, right? you linked your trezor device to Samurai's wallet?

But since you're saying you tried using Trezor Suite Lite (which is nothing but a watch-only wallet for trezor) is still not showing you any balance, I'm starting to think that the wallet you sent the funds to, may not be the Trezor device. Have you checked the generated addresses?

[BitMaxz]

So the funds you sent end up in your Trezor wallet but you can't able to see your balance with Trezor Suite.

In the first place, how did you generate the Trezor receiving address?
You should use the same software that you generated the Trezor BTC address.

Or try to use Electrum wallet and connect your Trezor and let's see if it shows your balance.

[hd49728]

I believe I read that to spend it I would have to send it to a hot wallet

Either cold or hot wallet, you can send your bitcoin to other people, addresses. If with cold wallet, you can not send your bitcoin, it sucks and nobody use cold wallet.

Your question reveals something wrong in your understanding too. If you can send your bitcoin to a hot wallet, you can send it to any receiver. It's an on chain transaction and it's spending.

and then send what I want to spend to that person and then the remaining balance back to myself at a newly generated Trezor address.

If there is leftover of your bitcoin from UTXOs you choose for a transaction, you will receive it in a same address or in a change address. Change address is recommended because it helps your privacy and anonymity a little bit.

[BTCRSMD]

Thank you all for getting back to me . And you all are 100% correct. OmegaStarScream, Restoring Samourai's wallet did in fact do nothing, as I realized it should not have afterwards. It did however give me the transaction history where I can then see the transaction to the generated address on the Blockchain and that the full amount is still sitting there. So I do believe it to have sent correctly.

Bitmaxz, that could be my problem. originally I did everything through a laptop with the suite and now I've attempted to do everything on my phone. I thought I circumvented that problem by using the web interface through Google Chrome. Previously I didn't have the ability to hook directly to a phone so everything was done on a laptop that is since retired and can't find power cord for. Which led me to plug into my new phone through double sided USB cord. Opening trezor suite lite then told me to update firmware to use app. That led me to the web interface where I was able to update the device, but then upon opening trezor suite lite it was saying looking for Bitcoin or something, but found nothing. Maybe I really need to go back to the proper desktop app to get this straightened out? Assumedly I can download on a new laptop, use recovery phrase and I'm back on track? Hopefully.

Hd48728, I do understand the basic concepts, or did, enough to get things situated initially but now I'm struggling without a user friendly interface that makes sense to me. I don't know how I generated the address lol I believe through the desktop interface, but the specific steps are what's getting me lost. I was originally looking to send leftovers to a separate address as I had heard not to reuse addresses, but then last night as I was reading trying to refresh my memory someone mentioned having to put the whole balance from cold wallet to hot to spend but then it's vulnerable being in a hot wallet, so to move the remainder to a newly generated trezor sddress.  What I read could have been nonsense.

I have the generated address public key, as that is what's listed on the Blockchain (correct me if I'm misunderstanding) and I found it from using the empty Samourai wallet and entering in the twelve words and passphrase into Mycelium to then go through the transaction history. I also have the twelve word seed from the Trezor itself that I wrote down. I have the Mycelium wallet (though will use another if necessary) that gives the ability to send and receive from the address the wallet created. That address has no btc in it to start obviously. What I'm not understanding is how do I get the new wallet that's empty to suddenly hold the Bitcoin at the generated address
so that I can use it and send it places? I know this is super basic stuff and maybe it's because I haven't tried the desktop suite again yet?

How am I using the twelve word seed to access the generated address and send Bitcoin again? At the time everything was fairly straightforward, Swan, Samourai, using Authy to help keep things safer.. Now I'm coming back to things with a new phone, new wallet app, my twelve word seed, and thankfully the address where the Bitcoin is sitting (as I wasn't sure what the address even was for a bit and got nervous).

Even with all I've said, and all you've responded with, I'll still likely be back with a few more questions but I'm going to try the desktop suite and see if that makes things make sense. Thank you so much for responding y'all

[Findingnemo]

Lot of questions, and hurting eyes to read, keep it simple so people might read them and assist you in better way.

So far the address where you sent your funds is still there now you need to access it to send the funds right? Now you got 2 12 word seeds right which is nothing but the recovery seed.

Just import both of them into electrum and see which one got balance.

What I'm not understanding is how do I get the new wallet that's empty to suddenly hold the Bitcoin at the generated address
so that I can use it and send it places? I know this is super basic stuff and maybe it's because I haven't tried the desktop suite again yet?

Funds are store in the blockchain and the seeds are like key to access the blocks where those funds were store and whatever wallet you use is just an interface to access the blocks where funds are stored.

[PX-Z]

I also have the twelve word seed from the Trezor itself that I wrote down.

Don't import that trezor's word seed to mycelium or any wallet because it will defeat the purpose of having hardware wallet in the first place, you can do it as your last option, so keep your backup seed safe and untouch.

Instead use your Mycelium wallet to connect your trezor, there's an "add new account" -> "advance & more" -> import using trezor. This will scan your trezors wallet addresses, probably the used ones and will shows it on the screen like "account 1", "account 2" with balance on it, choose then you can use it to send and to receive btc to your trezor's addresses.

[BTCRSMD]

FindingNemo, yes I tried to share where I'm at and what's going on in my head but that was alot to follow. I'll try to be more concise. I thought of importing the recovery seed into Mycelium, or Electrum or any wallet, but then that makes the cold storage useless I thought. However that may be my only option at this point.

PX-Z, I have not yet imported the Trezor word seed into Mycelium, but just tried what you recommended, but to no avai.l  Added an account, chose Import a Trezor HD bitcoin account, let it scan and it returned that there were no active accounts. One other thing I forgot to mention. In trying to figure this all out I realized I had imported the twelve word seed from Samourai into the Trezor (I think) so I did a factory reset, entered in a new pin and the original Trezor recovery seed. So now the device should in fact be importing the correct address into Mycelium when following the steps you mentioned. But it isn't.

I'm now thinking maybe just enter the Trezor twelve word seed into Mycelium to try and gain access and then repopulate a new Trezor twelve word seed, right? If I did it the first time, I should be able to generate a new one.

Also, Is the desktop suite necessary to be using, or can I accomplish what I'm looking to do through the web interface and Mycelium wallet?

[BTCRSMD]

Also, when attempting to import from trezor to mycelium it asked if there was a passphrase and gave the option to skip if there was none. I dont have one written down so I'm thinking there isn't an associated passphrase with the twelve word seed. Should there be?

[PX-Z]

I'm now thinking maybe just enter the Trezor twelve word seed into Mycelium to try and gain access and then repopulate a new Trezor twelve word seed, right? If I did it the first time, I should be able to generate a new one.

Try to check it on trezor suit instead since you mentioned that you imported the samourai wallet seed to your trezor which doesn't work earlier and now you imported back your trezor seed to trezor.

If it does not work, i could only think the worst — that you backup the wrong seed, i hope im wrong though.

Also, when attempting to import from trezor to mycelium it asked if there was a passphrase and gave the option to skip if there was none. I dont have one written down so I'm thinking there isn't an associated passphrase with the twelve word seed. Should there be?

Yes, you can skip that if you don't have added a passphrase to your 12 word seed to make it 13. It's a feature to make it safer and hard to guess.

[BTCRSMD]

Ok so now I've successfully reinstalled Trezor suite on a new laptop, connected my trezor and it continues to import nothing. If I decide to import the twelve word phrase into Mycelium, as I'm not sure what else to do, I can start a new wallet with a new twelve word seed from the Trezor again to move things back into a newly generated address, correct?

Separately, should I be turning off my vpn when using Trezor?

[BTCRSMD]

If the twelve word seed that was used to backup my trezor is also where the Bitcoin address was generated from that I sent btc to, that addresses private keys should be tied to the backup. That's the whole point I had thought. Now, it seems that the Trezor after having the backup seed entered into it, has nothing to show. I think I lost this money and I really thought I had followed all steps correctly at the time I transferred it into cold storage.

What are my options? Potentially I wrote down the private key address somewhere, and that would grant me access again? I finally just tried putting my trezor twelve word into mycelium out of desperation. It shows three private keys with 0 btc. I really don't get it. It's as if I generated an address with the Trezor wallet, sent Bitcoin to it, it's still at that address, but the wallet backup seed shows no relationship to the address. Guess I moved it to a random address that I didn't have the keys to. This sucks