Help!

Nc50lc, thank you for the advice and I did use whirlpool a few times in the process.

In using Electrum to detect existing accounts, do I enter the twelve word seed plus the passphrase? It doesn't give the option of uppercase or special characters.

Which leads me to another question. Does the passphrase have to be any certain format? Do upper and lower case matter? Could I have used numbers or special characters, or is it letters only? This will help me in my passphrase guesses.

When looking through the transaction history of the Samourai wallet it shows coins coming into the wallet from a coinjoin. I would assume then that those coins came from a separate Samourai wallet? I'm literally tracing back my steps like the main character in a movie where they've had a concussion.

First I did a tester and sent a small amount through whirlpool and landed it in the Samourai wallet without problem. Next I moved half of the savings through whirlpool into the same wallet, followed by the other half. So three whirlpool coinjoins into the Samourai wallet. Then I moved the two halves directly to a separate address unassociated with the Samourai wallet, in one transaction.

Thankfully I have all the Samourai account info correctly written down and using the transaction history I can see everything I did and refresh my memory.

Think it went Swan to Samourai wallet 1, Samourai wallet 1 through coinjoin to Samourai wallet 2, then Samurai wallet 2 to Trezor.

The tester amount went into the Samourai wallet and then out directly to an address. A different address than the two larger amounts. That also is still sitting where it was sent to.

My best guess is that I only wrote down the twelve word seed associated with the Trezor and either wrote down the passphrase somewhere else, or potentially, thought I would remember it. Ha!

That sounds like my style. Move a little, confirm. Move a larger amount, but still not the whole amount. Then finally move the other half. I really did take my time to learn what to do before I did it. I just haven't messed with Bitcoin sending or receiving since, so I'm refreshing my understanding.

Now that I'm realizing the initial first transaction that went into the Samourai wallet came from a whirlpool coinjoin, then went out to an address separate from the following two transactions tells me that I have two addresses associated with the correct wallet.

Which also tells me that I did the same as the coinjoin. Sent the tester amount from Samourai to the Trezor wallet. Confirmed everything was copacetic. Then sent the larger amount as one transaction after feeling comfortable.

I did in fact use the Electrum method you mentioned, and it returned no existing accounts. Same as when I connect my Trezor to the desktop suite. HOWEVER, I did a factory reset on the Trezor throughout this process, and when I booted it up again I entered the twelve word seed, without the passphrase. Therefore I'm thinking that both using Electrum or the newly downloaded Suite would show empty wallets.

Cricktor, sorry, I didn't realize to space things out, not much of a forum poster normally, but I see the format you're using now.

I moved the coins through Samourai to use their whirlpool coinjoin feature to add a layer of removal between my Swan account and the address where they would be sitting for a period of time.

My idea of cold storage is a receiving address generated offline with private keys stored offline. Maybe there's more to it?

I checked that my coins weren't in the wallet by entering the twelve word seed as well as connecting it to the Suite. However, that was assuming there was no passphrase. I'm thinking now that there is.

The Trezor I have is the Model T.

In fact I did change something with my Trezor Suite and maybe this will help my situation. Originally the Trezor Suite used was on a laptop that has since had the screen broken, though I may be able to get to work by connecting through a hdmi cord to a monitor.

Is this worth trying? Would the original Trezor Suite hold the past info?

I just downloaded Trezor Suite onto a new laptop in going about this recovery process. The old one might hold information on it though?

I may have been confused with the three keys thing. In Mycelium I was able to restore the Samourai account. It says six private keys associated with that and when I entered the twelve word seed to my Trezor wallet out of desperation it created an account with three private keys, which is the default for an empty account I think. So that would explain that.

The plot twist is far-fetched haha I don't think I actually did that now that I'm tracing back my steps. Before I bought the Trezor I had read about using a random generator and writing everything on paper, but decided to spend the money and buy the Trezor instead. So I don't think that's the case. I've just been trying to make sense of what I did.

Albeit this entire thread has shown my recent state of ignorance, I did in fact read quite a bit before making these moves and normally am fairly methodical.

I should have written down the passphrase somewhere, but it's very much my thought process to say "Let me write down the twelve random words I'll never remember and then keep the passphrase in my head so even if someone found the paper wallet seed, they would be locked out" Except, now I'm that someone Hahaha

*Next Question* In trying to input different passphrases along with the twelve word seed I have written down, what's the fastest option?I'm ok with making this cold storage wallet hot temporarily. If I can access the coins after a successful passphrase entry I'll just move them to a new Trezor wallet

Thank you very much for taking all that time out of your day to type up that long reply. I really appreciate it. Hopefully I'll be able to get this sorted.

Quote from: BTCRSMD on July 18, 2024, 01:36:55 AM

If you're using a passphrase in Samurai, then use a passphrase, if not, don't.
If you're not sure but know some possible passphrase(s); You can try as many times as you need until you get a result, first without a passphrase, next time with a passphrase.

But there shouldn't be that kind of limitation to "BIP39 Passphrase", it can contain special characters.
Perhaps you're talking about the screen where you input the seed phrase instead?
Because the passphrase should be typed in the next screen after clicking the "Next" button of seed phrase screen,
that will only appear if you ticked "Extend this seed with custom words" in the Seed Options.

Got it! So in the seed phrase screen the extend seed with custom words box was just out of sight without scrolling down. I see it now. I'll try that. I was indeed trying to enter the passphrase as a thirteenth word of the seed. Thank you! Now off to try a million configurations

Woohoo!! Got it back! After a couple dozen passphrase guesses of what I would have used, I got it! Bitcoin recovery successful! Thank you so much to all who replied on this thread! Very happy right now

Quote from: BTCRSMD on July 18, 2024, 01:36:55 AM

Which leads me to another question. Does the passphrase have to be any certain format? Do upper and lower case matter? Could I have used numbers or special characters, or is it letters only?

The mnemonic passphrase can be basically anything, even spaces in between or trailing. Therefore it needs to be documented very carefully.

I forgot, if there's some defined sanitation, like multiple spaces are sanitized to one only. Definitely upper and lower case chars are distinguished, numbers and special characters, all allowed. IIRC, all UTF-8 is allowed.

That went smoother than I expected, to be honest. Congrats to your recovery success. I hope you learned a lesson or two...

A little advise for the future:
if you create a new wallet, document a few things carefully, like

reason or purpose of this wallet
date of creation
which software or hardware was used, with version details
mnemonic recovery words (flavor used: BIP-39, Electrum, Azeed)
some hint if mnemonic passphrase is used (mnemonic passphrase needs to be backed up separately)
derivation path
if different accounts are used, purpose of those accounts (account level of derivation path)

Pay attention to secure and redundant backups. It's worse to document too little than too much in my opinion. Never try to rely solely on your wet brain memory, it will fail you sooner and surely later.

Never completely destroy recovery details even of wallets you don't use anymore. You can't know if you will ever need those details again for some unexpected reason. It's easier to lower the storage security of such abandoned wallets than face the issue to need the recovery details and don't have them anymore.

I'm really happy to hear you managed to recover your wallet. Congrats!

There are three lessons we have learnt from this thread:
- always write down your wallet seeds (+passphrase) on a piece of paper and keep it somewhere safe. Also, it's not a good idea to rely on your memory to store your passphrase (passwords, etc..)
- never import your hardware wallet seed into an online wallet. If you do, then it can't be considered an offline wallet anymore.
- keep your old wallets' seeds even if you are not going to use them anymore:

Quote from: satoshi on October 03, 2010, 08:54:07 PM

Sigh... why delete a wallet instead of moving it aside and keeping the old copy just in case? You should never delete a wallet.

It would've been difficult to know the address you sent the coins to if you didn't have the seed of the Samurai wallet.

Quote from: khaled0111 on July 18, 2024, 08:54:02 PM

- always write down your wallet seeds (+passphrase) on a piece of paper and keep it somewhere safe. Also, it's not a good idea to rely on your memory to store your passphrase (passwords, etc..)

If anyone want to follow this particular advice, make sure to write the passphrase on a separate paper on a separate storage.
It's not a good idea to keep them together where a thief can easily get both data together.
Otherwise, it'll defeat the purpose of the BIP39 Passphrase.