Ban evason rule for Profiles representing Businesses [Inquiry]

[Smartvirus]

When an official profile representing a business is banned, is it a ban on the business or the exact rep behind the account and how can this be determined?

A registered company is an entity, different from anyone representing the company. This means the company can be sued and can sue. But in the context of this forum, it's somehow complicated.

• Let's say a business has an account here which more than one person manages.
• If one of the persons managing the account caused the account to be banned, there's no way to determine whatever than to believe the business is banned.
• If the business returns and informs the forum that a new person is behind its management, there's no how the forum will know if it's true or not.

The best thing is to avoid being banned as a business. But if banned, come to meta and appeal rather than making another account. Unless you are willing to change your domain name and every other things related to the account.

Oh no! I was so feeling you but, I almost lost it even though, I could see value in what you’re presenting.

I don’t think it’s any complicated. In anyway, given that the entity is different from the persona, even though it happens that there is an individual behind the management of the business, banning of this individual shouldn’t affect the business. I mean, it might have some effect as to how users on the forum might perceive the business but not in the terms of a ban on the business.

That doesn’t mean, the business wouldn’t solve its problems. Of course if it comes with a problem under which ever name, the issue has to be solved.

Let’s not forget, a business could hire a known manager on the forum to help manage their operations, should the manager be banned, does it have anything to do with the business? Obviously not.

That’s how distinct a business could be from the person managing it.

[dkbit98]

When an official profile representing a business is banned, is it a ban on the business or the exact rep behind the account and how can this be determined?

Only if ban was done by theymos that came in package with updated forum rule, like it was in case with mixers ban.
For anything else this should be case by case, and some common sense is needed but I wouldn't ban entire company if one of their accounts made a mistake and got banned.

[coin-investor]

When an official profile representing a business is banned, is it a ban on the business or the exact rep behind the account and how can this be determined?

Only if ban was done by theymos that came in package with updated forum rule, like it was in case with mixers ban.
For anything else this should be case by case, and some common sense is needed but I wouldn't ban entire company if one of their accounts made a mistake and got banned.

Online and offline companies can hire and fire representative, even though we have no way to know  if its the same account or not, so they should be given a chance, only if the offense is light but if the company is guilty of scamming members of the community then they should not be given a chance.

This is only my opinion its really up to Theymos if he wants it implemented to all account regardless of individual or one that represents a business.

[Upgrade00]

I don't see any mod answering here so it seems they haven't seen the thread or decide to ignore it since they don't owe us any explanation but you can send them some DM to see if they'll honour us with some clarification.

I thought about this, but I didn't want to burden anyone with having to reply my inquiry. Posting it means they could easily ignore it if they don't have a answer.

Online and offline companies can hire and fire representative, even though we have no way to know  if its the same account or not, so they should be given a chance, only if the offense is light but if the company is guilty of scamming members of the community then they should not be given a chance.

Ironically a company which has been proven to scam users are not at any risk of being kicked off the forum, they only get negative community feedback.

[robelneo]

I don't see any mod answering here so it seems they haven't seen the thread or decide to ignore it since they don't owe us any explanation but you can send them some DM to see if they'll honour us with some clarification.

I thought about this, but I didn't want to burden anyone with having to reply my inquiry. Posting it means they could easily ignore it if they don't have a answer.

Since you asked this and there is no specific answer to your question, the rules apply to ban evasion on the account regardless of whether it's a personal or business account. When joining this forum, we are not asked if this is a business or personal account.

[Odusko]

When some incidents happened recently, my thoughts triggered this question, and I was able to settle it within myself even though there is no admin clear statement on this particular peculiar situation, because if the campany representative got banned for such offense what happened next to their promotions here in the forum, this need to be clarified ASAP so as for us to have a clear standing on cases like this because I am sure, we are going to encounter more similar situation in the future.
But what I ordinary believe is that, a company trasend an individual representative, so regardless of what happened to a representative account it may not have a direct consequences on the company, just as companies can hire and fire a rep at anytime, brand is bigger than an individual.

[Odusko]

There is another potential negative consequence of such a decision. What if someone creates a fake account and falsely claims to be an official representative without the company's knowledge?  If this person intentionally does something to get banned, it could harm the company's reputation, and they might not have the right to create a new official account to defend themselves.  This would put companies in a bad position, forcing them to prove their innocence, which I believe is unfair.

The thing there is that, is not easy for a person to act as a representative of a company because being in such position requires you to have basic information about the company and as you all know scammers are lazy, and only a lazy and greedy person fall for scams because there is always a line between each scammers speech that reveals the secrets of him being a scammer and if you are wise enough, you should be able to pick between those lines, so if any account just come up to claim a brand the user will face some obvious question from members of this forum that will at the end expose him as an intruder and tag will be given to the account appropriately to warn other forum members about the nature of members.

[Pmalek]

I guess it depends on the reasons for the ban.
If the account of a service representative got banned for plagiarism, then their personal account(s) should also be banned. If the ban was issued because the service itself and its existence on the forum is against the rules, I think it's going to be a ban on both the person running the account and the service.

It gets complicated, though. An account of a service banned for plagiarism could return and say, we fired Larry, the old forum representative because he didn't respect the rules, but now we are back with Mark, who will make sure to not commit the same or other infractions. How would theymos and the admins know this is true and why would they care even if it is?

@Upgrade00
PM theymos and ask him directly. I am sure he will reply back to shed some light on it.

[Upgrade00]

@Upgrade00
PM theymos and ask him directly. I am sure he will reply back to shed some light on it.

I may do that eventually, if it becomes really necessary to get an answer. I'm sure he'll have some more pressing PM's to attend to, would not want to clog that pm some more t satisfy my curiosity.

I'll.be locking this thread now as enough time has passed to get a response from mods or the admin. Appreciate all the contributions gotten.