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July 07, 2025, 04:31:59 PM
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I just realized I've been missing another feature: the "All" button only works on topics with less than (I think) 26 pages. But for longer topics, I'd like to still be able to see 25 pages at once! Would that be possible? Say you click All, and the entire thread turns into pages with 500 posts (so there are 25 times less pages).

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That shouldn't be a problem as long as the posts are scraped and archived even before the deletion. However, what if a post is deleted within 5 minutes after it has been posted in a self-moderated thread?
That's not a problem. My bot first scrapes all posts within seconds after they are posted.

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July 11, 2025, 01:30:59 PM
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Ooh. I thought of one just now as I was doing a table for the first time in a while.

Why do we have to use a hack to put multiple words in the same row of a table? It seems like bbcode doesn't operate this way outside the forum. Like for instance, I had to do this because the forum software can't just recognize what the longest table row field is:

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It only recognizes what the longest word in any row is and then pushes everything down to a new row after that.

Its easy enough to overcome. But it is indeed a little thing that bugs me. Like, why can't the forum just handle it? Unless it does and I've just been doing it wrong for years.

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July 11, 2025, 01:48:52 PM
Merited by PowerGlove (1)
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Its easy enough to overcome. But it is indeed a little thing that bugs me. Like, why can't the forum just handle it? Unless it does and I've just been doing it wrong for years.
This may be similar to what i face when working on a table.



My bbcode write ups are right, still wondering how each time i try making use of tables, it usually affects the first texts on rows, for images it compress both sides of the first image. How can i overcome such bug.



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July 11, 2025, 05:34:06 PM
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Why do we have to use a hack to put multiple words in the same row of a table?
I think you've run into the bug that this patch would fix.

(Hmm... I'm not sure what to think/feel about an obviously useful patch with 3 different approaches for theymos to pick from just sitting there and collecting dust for ~11 months. It hurts me a little, I guess. I have a lot of pent-up frustrations around what it's been like for me to work on these little forum improvements. I don't know... I keep circling the thought that I'm not a good fit for Bitcointalk, and that I'm clearly swimming against the current, and I should take the hint and find a more productive endeavor.)
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July 11, 2025, 05:56:49 PM
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I just realized I've been missing another feature: the "All" button only works on topics with less than (I think) 26 pages. But for longer topics, I'd like to still be able to see 25 pages at once! Would that be possible? Say you click All, and the entire thread turns into pages with 500 posts (so there are 25 times less pages).

I think adding a  larger limit  like 50-100 pages would be nice.

Some topics like WO just cant be displayer all at once.


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Why do we have to use a hack to put multiple words in the same row of a table?
I think you've run into the bug that this patch would fix.

(Hmm... I'm not sure what to think/feel about an obviously useful patch with 3 different approaches for theymos to pick from just sitting there and collecting dust for ~11 months. It hurts me a little, I guess. I have a lot of pent-up frustrations around what it's been like for me to work on these little forum improvements. I don't know... I keep circling the thought that I'm not a good fit for Bitcointalk, and that I'm clearly swimming against the current, and I should take the hint and find a more productive endeavor.)

Don't think like that. Think about the number of patches you've already made that have been approved, bringing improvements to the forum—when no one expected those improvements.

Perhaps it was forgotten because they were involved in other work. Or perhaps the approaches weren't sufficiently trustworthy. Maybe a bump to the idea could help it be reviewed again.

 
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(Hmm... I'm not sure what to think/feel about an obviously useful patch with 3 different approaches for theymos to pick from just sitting there and collecting dust for ~11 months. It hurts me a little, I guess. I have a lot of pent-up frustrations around what it's been like for me to work on these little forum improvements. I don't know... I keep circling the thought that I'm not a good fit for Bitcointalk, and that I'm clearly swimming against the current, and I should take the hint and find a more productive endeavor.)
To the best of my knowledge, Gloves ain't a whiner -- if it has gotten to a point where he begins to speak up, somewhat unassertive about how he feels, then things don't just sit right with him.

Aye, I understand the frustration and it's all good... You've been a great help and motivation to both users with Problem-Solving skills like yours, and the regular users like myself. Brace yourself and keep doing what you do, we all see it, we appreciate every bit of time spent on a project (regardless of how small or easy it is to fix).  
Hopefully, this gets to Theymos' desk by the day!!
Edit: I owe you some merits  Smiley

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Oh yes, this forum software bug annoys me every once in a while I make a table (not so often). The most annoying part is, the post preview doesn't have the bug, but when you forgot about it and submit your post, the first column of the table is messed up.

Holy crap, @theymos, please apply one of the patches PowerGlove posted for this. I don't think this bug needs to stay in forum's code for some strange legacy reasons I can't imagine.


I think you've run into the bug that this patch would fix.

(Hmm... I'm not sure what to think/feel about an obviously useful patch with 3 different approaches for theymos to pick from just sitting there and collecting dust for ~11 months. It hurts me a little, I guess. I have a lot of pent-up frustrations around what it's been like for me to work on these little forum improvements. I don't know... I keep circling the thought that I'm not a good fit for Bitcointalk, and that I'm clearly swimming against the current, and I should take the hint and find a more productive endeavor.)
This is concerning and I can understand your frustration when some of your valuable contributions appear to be completely ignored by theymos and whoever else might be in charge with forum code maintenance.

Sure, there might be more important things than to fix this bug behind the scenes. But a short heads-up to PowerGlove that such a fix is basically accepted and queued to be incorporated can lift mood and motivation.

PowerGlove, please stay with us. Eventually miracles will happen. But frankly, why does it need miracles?

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I'm going to 3rd what was said by joker_josue and Cricktor and remind PowerGlove that he is an invaluable asset to the forum, and personally I know I'd be at least a little bit sad if he up and vanished one day.

So don't take anything too personally PowerGlove; I know theymos finds your contributions valuable as well. There's nobody else here doing the things that you do, in the way that you do them. I like reading your posts and seeing that big brain at work -- a refreshing contrast to 90% of what is going on here.  Cheesy

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theymos fixed it already using Patch C, it only needed a second bump for him to take action.

Moreover, you might want to see what he said.
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I didn't test it that much, but it seems to work without any side-effects AFAICT, so I added it
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I know I'd be at least a little bit sad if he up and vanished one day.
"at least a little bit sad"? Wow. I didn't realize I was having that magnitude of effect on Bitcointalk. Haha. Nah, I know what you mean, and, the feeling is definitely mutual: I'd miss you, too. Smiley



@joker_josue, @Sandra_hakeem, @Cricktor, @nutildah, @Obim34: Thanks for the encouragement (and for bumping the patch thread). Please don't take me not leaving merit on your posts to mean that I don't appreciate them.



theymos fixed it already using Patch C, it only needed a second bump for him to take action.
Yup, I saw that. It cheers me up. (And now my blood pressure can stop spiking when I see someone complaining about something that I've already fixed. At least, for this particular issue.) Cheesy



@LoyceV: I'm sorry that this affected some of your data projects. Fix A wouldn't have (but, that would've caused old posts to render differently). I don't think it's possible (as in, CSS isn't powerful enough) to repair this bug in a history-preserving way without making some kind of change to the markup. Anyway, I hope I didn't create too much extra work for you. (Longer term, the forum really needs an API. It's very backwards that the frontend has to be disturbed as little as possible because of all the third-party projects built against it.)
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@joker_josue, @Sandra_hakeem, @Cricktor, @nutildah, @Obim34: Thanks for the encouragement (and for bumping the patch thread). Please don't take me not leaving merit on your posts to mean that I don't appreciate them.
No oooo!!! Thaat ain't even the reason for the motivations (at least not from my part). Look, I understand that most people are trying to manipulate the system with  opportunities like this, which y'all also need to look out for, but we all know what it is right? Also one of the reasons why I barely post on merit-related threads.
That aside, I'm happy for the fact that patch C was finally implemented amongst the rest; I'm obliged to help, in whatever way it'd take, to improve this space from my own little respository... (I do more of reading than writing, so I read every other contribution in here, but never responded until I saw yours, that was different; that was a plea)
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Yes, of course that's what worries me the most.  Grin

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theymos fixed it already using Patch C, it only needed a second bump for him to take action.
Yup, I saw that. It cheers me up. (And now my blood pressure can stop spiking when I see someone complaining about something that I've already fixed. At least, for this particular issue.) Cheesy
Fixing it will also do on my advantage, my LB will be having our annual contest very soon, it worries me if i remain the one to organize all reports in table format and it looks same with the bug experienced last year, its a big mess to consider when several bumping should fix it.

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Yes, of course that's what worries me the most.  Grin
I'm not insinuating that anything like that was the motivation. I'm simply saying "Thanks" to the people I mentioned (I should have included TryNinja), and I'm pointing out that I often don't merit posts that I personally really appreciate.



@Cyrus: I'm still stop-and-start working on your nice link-sharing suggestion from a few pages back, and I have a suggestion of my own for your bta.lk project.

This ended up being a bit of a back-and-forth with theymos (who added some nice ideas), but, instead of re-hashing the whole thought process that we went through, I'll just share the summary:

Basically, using your suggestion post as an example, with your existing approach, its URL would be shortened to: bta.lk/t/5503118.msg65275936#msg65275936. But, by taking advantage of the asterisk-topic-ID patch I did in 2023, and by using a Base58-encoded message ID (plus a bit of arithmetic that I'll justify later), you could implement an approach that would allow it to be shortened to: bta.lk/CY7XN. (I mean, that's pretty cool, right? 12 characters instead of 40.) Smiley

How it would work is that you take the message ID (in this case: 65275936), then multiply it by 2 and add 1 (resulting in: 130551873). Then you encode that integer using Base58 (resulting in: CY7XN). Then, on your end, you set things up so that your server responds to URLs of the form: bta.lk/CY7XN, by first Base58-decoding the CY7XN part back into 130551873, and then checking that it's numerically odd before floor-dividing it by 2, which gets you all the way back to 65275936. Finally, you use that recovered message ID to do a 301 redirect to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=*.msg65275936#msg65275936. (The multiplying/dividing by 2, and the adding/subtracting of 1 are details that have to do with keeping the scheme amenable to extension. In code, those steps don't appear in their arithmetical form, and are bitwise operations that are there to make sure that the least significant bit is set to 1 for message IDs. The least significant bit being unset is reserved for future use.)

To get this working on your end, the first step would be to add this PHP file to your document root:

Code: ("link.php")
<?php declare(strict_types=1);

function 
int_from_base58(string $base58): int null {

    
$result strlen($base58) >= null;

    foreach(
str_split($base58) as $digit) {

        
$value strpos('123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz'$digit);

        if(
$value === false || $result intdiv(PHP_INT_MAX $value58)) {

            return 
null;
        }

        
$result $result 58 $value;
    }

    return 
$result;
}

function 
redirect_die(string $location): void {

    
header('Location: ' $locationtrue301);

    die(
'<a href="' $location '">' $location '</a>');
}

if(isset(
$_GET['id']) && is_string($_GET['id'])) {

    
$decoded int_from_base58($_GET['id']);

    if(!
is_null($decoded)) {

        if(
$decoded == 1) {

            
$message_id $decoded >> 1;

            
redirect_die('https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=*.msg' $message_id '#msg' $message_id);
        }
    }
}

http_response_code(400);

die(
'Malformed shortlink.');

?>

I noticed this in your server's response:

Code:
x-powered-by: PHP/5.6.40

I wrote and tested the above code on PHP 8.2 (but, I think it would run on 7.4, too). To get the above code working on PHP 5.6, you could try the below version (I haven't tested it, but, if you can't upgrade your PHP interpreter for some reason, then, you should try it and let me know if it doesn't work):

Code: ("link.php")
<?php

function int_from_base58($base58) {

    
$result strlen($base58) >= null;

    foreach(
str_split($base58) as $digit) {

        
$value strpos('123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz'$digit);

        if(
$value === false || $result floor((PHP_INT_MAX $value) / 58)) {

            return 
null;
        }

        
$result $result 58 $value;
    }

    return 
$result;
}

function 
redirect_die($location) {

    
header('Location: ' $locationtrue301);

    die(
'<a href="' $location '">' $location '</a>');
}

if(isset(
$_GET['id']) && is_string($_GET['id'])) {

    
$decoded int_from_base58($_GET['id']);

    if(!
is_null($decoded)) {

        if(
$decoded == 1) {

            
$message_id $decoded >> 1;

            
redirect_die('https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=*.msg' $message_id '#msg' $message_id);
        }
    }
}

http_response_code(400);

die(
'Malformed shortlink.');

?>

You'll know that you've got this step working when you can navigate to: https://bta.lk/link.php?id=CY7XN, and be redirected to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=*.msg65275936#msg65275936.

The next and final step is to hide the link.php?id= part behind some URL rewriting.

I mocked this up a few different ways in my test environment...

On nginx, I got it working by adding the following line to the server section of the config:

Code:
rewrite ^/([1-9A-HJ-NP-Za-km-z]+)$ /link.php?id=$1 break;

On apache2, I got it working (after enabling mod_rewrite) by adding the following line to the VirtualHost section of the config:

Code:
RewriteRule ^/([1-9A-HJ-NP-Za-km-z]+)$ /link.php?id=$1

I'm not sure what you'd have to do for LiteSpeed, which is what I see you're running, but, hopefully the above is enough for you to figure it out. (I'd take everything I've said about this URL-rewriting step with a large grain of salt: DYOR and all that; I can't remember the last time I put a web server into production that I didn't write myself, and I don't have the temperament to learn configuration syntax and struggle with an off-the-shelf tool when it's easier for me to just write an application-specific server in C++ and do everything in code. Basically, what I'm saying is: I don't employ this style of problem-solving when I can help it, so, probably someone more versed in HTTP server configuration can find fault with or otherwise add value to my URL-rewriting snippets.)

Anyway, in case it isn't clear, the whole idea here is that when I get around to finishing the link-sharing patch, this new kind of really compact shortlink is what I'd like to generate in addition to a normal Bitcointalk link. (And, in the meantime, I guess people could make use of it early by manually taking any message ID, multiplying it by 2 and adding 1, then using an online Base58 encoder to derive a working shortlink.)
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Yes, of course that's what worries me the most.  Grin
I'm not insinuating that anything like that was the motivation. I'm simply saying "Thanks" to the people I mentioned (I should have included TryNinja), and I'm pointing out that I often don't merit posts that I personally really appreciate.

I know, friend.  Wink
I was just joking a little about the situation.

I'm glad I could help, and I appreciate your excellent effort in improving the forum, despite the existing limitations. Thanks!

 
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 #318

Limits on posting
Code:
waittime = 360;
if(activity >= 15)
        waittime = (int)(90 - activity);
if(activity >= 60)
        waittime=(int)(34.7586 - (0.0793103 * activity));
if(activity >= 100)
        waittime = max((int)(14-(activity/50)), 4);
Limits on PM'ing (private messaging):
ActivityMax recipientsMax recipients if whitelistedMax PMs per hourMax PMs per hour if whitelistedMax PMs per dayMax PMs per day if whitelisted
02101402120
15310104015120
30510104030120
1007142080150600
25015301201203001200
500303012012012001200

You are automatically whitelisted if you buy a copper membership. You don't need to wear the copper membership, just own it. You can also be whitelisted for free by any staff member and a few non-staff ~
A whitelisted user with low Activity can send more PMs, and has a much smaller delay in between posts. But: that only lasts until the user ranks up! When a user reaches the next rank, he's down to the above list without whitelisting. Users can only be whitelisted once, so it can't be fixed anymore.
I don't know if Copper members also lose their whitelist-privileges when they rank up.

I guess most of this is custom code, but it kinda is a bug that needs patching.

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I noticed that drafts are only saved when you preview or post a reply/topic. This makes it possible to still lose your writeup while typing and then your browser crashes or the page refreshes before you click the preview button. I believe that it would be great if the forum supported an autosave draft feature while typing, like every 30 seconds or so especially for those with lengthy writeups and then an unstable internet connection.

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I noticed that drafts are only saved when you preview or post a reply/topic. This makes it possible to still lose your writeup while typing and then your browser crashes or the page refreshes before you click the preview button.

Right below the "Preview" button is "Click preview to save a draft." These drafts are kept for 7 days by the forum -- just make sure to click "Preview" if you really don't want to lose the post you are writing.

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