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July 17, 2024, 11:32:37 PM
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Lautauro Martinez was serie A best player and highest goal scorer last season.
He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.
He has more individual award than Vinicius jnr or any other player on the list and also has some good trophies.
Based on the criteria for ballon D’or as the overall golden ball he’s the best candidate but sadly he’s not been talked about enough.

Please what has Vinicius jnr or Jude Bellingham got over him (if you say UCL he has National Trophy)
Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
I don’t think any of them have any individual awards, so why are they the most talked about.
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July 18, 2024, 10:25:16 AM
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Any other name aside  Vini, Jude Bellingham is just a push by their fans to force us to believe that they are deserving of this award. And in my estimation it is ridiculous. These players have had brilliant records from the last season. And Lautauro Martinez, is also a top contender for this award...his records are damm impressive from being a Scudetto winner to Copa to top scorer. And I agree with everyone who says his name also should be in the list. I disagree with anyone who will want Toni Kroos, Rodri or Carvajal to be in the list with the earlier mentioned names. While they are fantastic players, their records are not as brilliant as the ones I mentioned.

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July 18, 2024, 11:47:44 AM
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Any other name aside  Vini, Jude Bellingham is just a push by their fans to force us to believe that they are deserving of this award. And in my estimation it is ridiculous. These players have had brilliant records from the last season. And Lautauro Martinez, is also a top contender for this award...his records are damm impressive from being a Scudetto winner to Copa to top scorer. And I agree with everyone who says his name also should be in the list. I disagree with anyone who will want Toni Kroos, Rodri or Carvajal to be in the list with the earlier mentioned names. While they are fantastic players, their records are not as brilliant as the ones I mentioned.

I disagree with anyone who thinks Rodri or Cavajal to be the ballon Dior, Vinicius, Bellingham and Lautauro should be the favorite players to win the award, these players deserve the award because they turn up for their team when the team wants to win, Vinicius and Bellingham have made Real Madrid not to miss Benzema because, from the beginning of the season, people think that Real Madrid can not win any trophy because they don’t have a striker but the players turn and make sure they played for the team and make their fans happy, even Toni Kroos deserves the award because he is among the best player that makes the young players in Real Madrid win the league.

I was very disappointed to see Rodri at the top of the Ballon Dior top five, can anyone tell me what Rodri has achieved this season, Rodri played for Manchester City and Manchester City won only the premier league trophy and they got knockout by Real Madrid in the champion league round of 16 and he played for Spain and won the Euros with them and they gave him the best player of the tournament that he did not deserve, Rodri didn’t deserve the best player of the tournament for Spain, those players who deserve it are Dani Olmo and Fabian Ruiz because they were very much better than Rodri in this tournament, If Rodri win this season ballon Dior that means the player performance for a team means nothing.

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July 20, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
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Any other name aside  Vini, Jude Bellingham is just a push by their fans to force us to believe that they are deserving of this award. And in my estimation it is ridiculous. These players have had brilliant records from the last season. And Lautauro Martinez, is also a top contender for this award...his records are damm impressive from being a Scudetto winner to Copa to top scorer. And I agree with everyone who says his name also should be in the list. I disagree with anyone who will want Toni Kroos, Rodri or Carvajal to be in the list with the earlier mentioned names. While they are fantastic players, their records are not as brilliant as the ones I mentioned.
Lautauro is not a push off or push by fans. The man deserves it, his achievements and statistics is there to prove it. He had a very outstanding season both National and club wise.
For me he’s the BEST candidate for the Ballon D’or.
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July 20, 2024, 07:11:14 PM
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It's hard to say who deserves Ballon D'or this year because when it was Messi's and Cristiano's era, it was easy to predict, both of them were phenomenal players with phenomenal statistics. I think we don't have footballer as magical and competitive as Messi for example and because of that, these days people mostly support their favorite players. There is not a clear best football player in the world right now, individual performances sucks today.

I personally like Lautaro Martinez very much, he also scored an important goal in the Copa America finale but I think that Rodri will get the Ballon D'or. I think Vinicius doesn't deserve it.

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July 20, 2024, 07:21:58 PM
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Please what has Vinicius jnr or Jude Bellingham got over him (if you say UCL he has National Trophy)
Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
It is the first time hearing Lautaro Martinez in this debate for Ballo D'Or, and I do not think he comes close or should even be a candidate for it. He has not been as influential for his team as Vini Jr or even Bellingham was for Real Madrid, and even though he finished the season as highest goal scorer or some other record. It still does not qualify him for it. Picking Lautaro Martinez is like picking Alvarez or some other random person for the award. It is Vini's year, he should have it.

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July 20, 2024, 07:29:59 PM
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I think it might be Vinicius Jr but a name not mentioned in the OP is Rodri of Man City. He won the PL title and was player of the tournament with Spain winning Euro 2024.

It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.

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July 20, 2024, 10:06:52 PM
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I think it might be Vinicius Jr but a name not mentioned in the OP is Rodri of Man City. He won the PL title and was player of the tournament with Spain winning Euro 2024.

It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.

If the Copa America and Euro 2024 are considerable factors, then I think Lautaro Martinez might have a shot at it too, for Vini and Bellingham, their chances are rather more dim now with Rodri also having had a special season, he wasn't bad in the PL this season and despite not making the finals of the Champions and winning it like Vini and Bellingham, I think his standout performance in the Euro would have place right on the same level with the supposed favorites, Vini and Brazil were way below par in the Copa America so, it really is going to be a very close margin now.

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July 20, 2024, 10:38:33 PM
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I think it might be Vinicius Jr but a name not mentioned in the OP is Rodri of Man City. He won the PL title and was player of the tournament with Spain winning Euro 2024.

It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.

If the Copa America and Euro 2024 are considerable factors, then I think Lautaro Martinez might have a shot at it too, for Vini and Bellingham, their chances are rather more dim now with Rodri also having had a special season, he wasn't bad in the PL this season and despite not making the finals of the Champions and winning it like Vini and Bellingham, I think his standout performance in the Euro would have place right on the same level with the supposed favorites, Vini and Brazil were way below par in the Copa America so, it really is going to be a very close margin now.

Who will be named the Golden Ball in 2024, perhaps a question that is difficult to answer immediately for many world football fans. Euro and Copa America take place at the same time with many exciting competitions and many surprises. However, competing for the Golden Ball is never easy. Lautaro Martinez will have to face strong opponents like Vinicius, Rodri, or Bellingham.
If talking about Rodri with the Euro 2024 Championship, Lautaro Martinez of Argentina is also a bright candidate for the Golden Ball. Martinez had the most successful season of his career to date, winning the Serie A Championship with Inter Milan and the Copa America Championship with Argentina. In the individual category, Martinez won the title of Serie A top scorer and was the best player of the tournament. This striker also won the Copa America top scorer title. So with the titles he has won, Lautaro Martinez deserves to win the award but to be honored he needs a lot of luck.

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July 20, 2024, 10:40:31 PM
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I won't be surprised if he is not even nominated for the Ballon D Or awards. Because this is not the first time someone who deserves this award was denied it. There were many players who would have won it but were denied of it in the past because of the fan's dominance of Messi and Ronaldo hype. It's just feeling this day it is based on hype because certainly when it comes to qualification Lautaro Matinez is the qualified candidate for this award. But the hypes and fame of Jude Bellingham and Vinicius have overshadowed his light. At the end of the day, i see no offense if Vinicius was given the awards but Jude I think he is not worth it at least not yet.



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July 20, 2024, 10:41:09 PM
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It doesn't matter what we think or discuss here. I want to believe the winner is already known to inner circles. Players like Vini and Bellingham are just for the PR. Looking at the stats, Vini abd Bellingham don't come close at all. If Bellingham won the Euro 2024, he would've been placed ahead of Vini. If people won by merits, Lewandowski would have won it in 2021 ahead of Messi despite having more goal/assist tally. That's why I want to believe that Martinez won't win it this year.

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July 20, 2024, 10:59:02 PM
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It doesn't matter what we think or discuss here. I want to believe the winner is already known to inner circles. Players like Vini and Bellingham are just for the PR. Looking at the stats, Vini abd Bellingham don't come close at all. If Bellingham won the Euro 2024, he would've been placed ahead of Vini. If people won by merits, Lewandowski would have won it in 2021 ahead of Messi despite having more goal/assist tally. That's why I want to believe that Martinez won't win it this year.
There's no doubt to the fact that the winner of this year's ballon d'Or will be decided by the performance of the players that has been shortlisted in their various clubs last season but the truth is that we currently do not know who is going to win as the votes are yet to be casted. Again the ballon D'or winner this year isn't yet decided because some of the performance of players in the new in the first few months of the new season will also determine if they can win the ballon D'or or not. That being said I think the players still have much more more work to do another to be winner.
Vinicius Jr had a very impressive season with Real where he helped the club to win the Spanish La Liga as well as the UEFA Champions League title which he finished as the best player of the tournament while Lautaro Martinez was able to win the Italian Serie A as well as the Copa America with his national team. Lautaro Martinez I think is a good candidate for the Balon D'or but not on the same level with Vinicius Jr who I think was clearly better

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July 20, 2024, 11:22:59 PM
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I think it might be Vinicius Jr but a name not mentioned in the OP is Rodri of Man City. He won the PL title and was player of the tournament with Spain winning Euro 2024.

It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.
The Ballon D'or winner is usually a striker who scores a lot of goals and assists, Rodri is a midfielder and his total goals and assists are still far less than Vini, Bellingham and Martinez.
Actually, Rodri really deserves to win the Ballon D'or, but it looks like the journalists and the coaches + captains of the national teams will choose Bellingham even though England failed to win the Euro - If Bellingham doesn't win it, Martinez will definitely win the Ballon D'or this year.

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July 20, 2024, 11:24:50 PM
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On 2021 there was a debatable about who is Ballon D’or winner because at that time Messi with PSG can being an the winner and some of people has give their opinion about this because on that year Messi performance is not really good with PSG so he didn't deserved to gets Ballon D’or because if the benchmark is individual achievement or club achievement people said Lewandowski is more deserved to gets that award rather than Messi which at that time Lewandowski can being an Bundesliga top scorer and can gets Bundesliga trophy with Bayern Munich

And this year too probably the winner of Ballon D’or could be very controversial because if we see from the achievement Lautaro Martinez is more deserved to gets this award rather than Vinicius but recently i have seen the lists of the winner candidates of this year and Rodri can replace Vinicius position on first place and if this position not change until October means Rodri will being an the winner of this year

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July 21, 2024, 01:51:13 AM
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Please what has Vinicius jnr or Jude Bellingham got over him[...]
The hype! Bellingham is being overrated and, that's not just gonna sit well for him at the end... I don't know why please think FIFA has been corruptible for years now with just one player.... Messi gave football an essence, and over his first 7 years of his Career, having him at 25, he won 4 ballon d'ors and that has been the highest so far for an average player at that age.
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Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
We've had players that were complete - even more than what any complete player in football should be... Pedro! Was he able to win the best player? No! Why's that? FIFA doesn't really focus on a player's achievement alone; your ability to create Chances and score unimaginable goals is part of their analysis as well.

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July 30, 2024, 11:50:30 PM
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Lautauro Martinez was serie A best player and highest goal scorer last season.
He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.
He has more individual award than Vinicius jnr or any other player on the list and also has some good trophies.
Based on the criteria for ballon D’or as the overall golden ball he’s the best candidate but sadly he’s not been talked about enough.


Well he is the most consistent scorer in Serie A and in the last 60 or 65 years there were only 5 players to have scored 20 or more goals in three consecutive seasons in Serie A and one of them is Lautauro with different strike partner every year which proves he can play with anybody, also to mentioned he finished Capocannoniere. But the most sensational about him being the top league's scorer, is he also the forward with the most interceptions also his teamplay is also off the charts he hounds the defenders off the counter-press and takes the pressure off and assure the other nine field players.

I won't be surprised if he is not even nominated for the Ballon D Or awards. Because this is not the first time someone who deserves this award was denied it. There were many players who would have won it but were denied of it in the past because of the fan's dominance of Messi and Ronaldo hype. It's just feeling this day it is based on hype because certainly when it comes to qualification Lautaro Matinez is the qualified candidate for this award. But the hypes and fame of Jude Bellingham and Vinicius have overshadowed his light. At the end of the day, i see no offense if Vinicius was given the awards but Jude I think he is not worth it at least not yet.




For me Lautauro is a complete package of a player but these awards also have Recency Bias, Popularity and such. I would say they count World Cup over Copa America.

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July 30, 2024, 11:57:05 PM
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It's hard to say who deserves Ballon D'or this year because when it was Messi's and Cristiano's era, it was easy to predict, both of them were phenomenal players with phenomenal statistics. I think we don't have footballer as magical and competitive as Messi for example and because of that, these days people mostly support their favorite players. There is not a clear best football player in the world right now, individual performances sucks today.

I personally like Lautaro Martinez very much, he also scored an important goal in the Copa America finale but I think that Rodri will get the Ballon D'or. I think Vinicius doesn't deserve it.

Sometimes it is the popularity that matters among its fans. It is not about the number of goals or trophies that a player is holding under his belt. It is the charisma so to speak. Also, we don't know the criteria of the judges these days. It can be the combination of  -
> their individual performance (career success)
> impressive on-field performances that people are talking about
> their role in the team, any significant contribution of the athlete
> fair play
Which translates that it is not about the number of goals or trophies but the overall performance of this individual as an athlete of the sports. It is like they are looking for the best role model of this sports.

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July 31, 2024, 03:08:55 AM
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I so much like it as it's hard to even predict who's going to be the winner for the Ballon D'or, players have proven to be the best and non can easily say is going to be from the EPL, la Liga, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, Serie A etc. But definitely we are sure to have a winner, according to this past event (Euros) player like Rodri said this is the time for a Spanish player to win the Ballon D'or and I buy the idea too because they have been one of the best and going out to play 7 games without any defeat is something they need to look out for and their performance was out of this World, non expected it from them because the way and manner they went about business in that competition has been great with them giving the fans every single moment to believe and have a 100% confidence in them.
With that been said I think if they're handing the award it should be from the Spanish side or maybe give it to Rodri because he has been a better player both club and country, he's also the main reason City have their first champions league title and some other trophies including the Euros, I'd say Rodri deserve the award and I think you guys would agree with me on that.











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July 31, 2024, 03:15:06 AM
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Lautauro Martinez was serie A best player and highest goal scorer last season.
He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.

Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
These players have balancing achievements with their clubs by winning domestic titles (domestic league, domestic super cup) but Lautaro did not win Champions League, while Vinicius and Jude Bellingham won Champions League with Real Madrid. To cover this disadvantage at club level, Lautaro won Coppa America title with his national team while Vinicius and Jude Bellingham failed with their national teams in Coppa America and Euro 2024.

At international level, Lautaro looks better but Judge went to a final match in Euro 2024 with England and only failed against Spain. Between Vinicius Junior and Jude Bellingham, I see Jude is a better competitor against Lautaro for Ballon d'Or this year.

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July 31, 2024, 06:15:04 AM
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Indeed, Lautaro Martinez is player who has scored lot of goals for his team and has several individual awards, but basically the assessment to get the Ballon d'Or is not only that but there are several other factors that are determining factors.
It just that for the real assessment, no one knows, even that is secret in my opinion, if there are players who have been truly selected, it will only be published and announced when the event is officially held because everything is secret.

For now, only Bellingham and Vinicius Jr are the most potential players to get it, but there are other names like Mbappe who are also favorites of some people, they are young players who have created new era in European football.
Lately, Bellingham performance has also been highlighted quite impressively in helping England reach the Euro 2024 final, but that will not guarantee whether he will be selected.
In my opinion, only those two players are worthy, whether it Bellingham or Vinicius, they are still two great young Real Madrid players who has won various titles during his career in European football.

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