July 24, 2024 shall henceforth be known as America's National Day of Shame

[DaRude]

How many innocent people have Hamas killed and how many innocent people have Israel killed since then? Look it up

hamas/iran deliberately target innocent people

isreal send warnings to give innocent people time to move out of war zones. but when palestinians are told to stay put and defend the land by hamas.. things get bad for those that remain
isreal target is the hamas extremists.. but in war especially in built up area's collateral damage can happen

its also worth noting that hamas rile up the palestinians and goad them into becoming cannon fodder
many investigations have revealed that hamas taunt innocent palestinians into provoking conflict. such as hamas stealing and hoard the food and greedflating by 3-15x the price and then saying that palestinians should blockade the supply routes of aid, and then ambush the aid trucks. which causes the aid workers and the security defending them to then have to act

its the same escalating situations as many developed countries riots.. 99% of population want to peacefully protest or queue peacefully to get the things they want. but the 1% stir the pot and turn peaceful people into rioters. and then suddenly 30% are not acting shitty all due to the 1% protagonists

many times aid stops arriving because aid trucks get attacked, journalists and aid workers stop coming due to security risks. (kidnappings/murder)
but when the aid does come through they try to send enough aid to last longer then the gaps in supplies. right now there is enough food supplies sent into gaza to last until well into 2026. yet its hoarded in hamas camps. and so yes isreal has to take out hamas. and yes hamas will use palestinians as human shields causing palestinians to get hit during the battle against hamas.. but hamas dont care about palestinians. hamas want palestinians to starve/get hit as its this starvation/death that gives hamas the tools and excuses to do their atrocities/propaganda by pretending they are there to help

as soon as hamas are no more, peace deals can be reached with palestinians including war reparations(compensations)

I haven't heard a scarier justification than it's the other sides fault and they're leaving Israelis no choice but to massacre tens of thousands of innocent women, children and babies. At least lie and say that it's not happening at such scale, and that few kids that did die were from over eating ice cream or something. Your ridiculous attempts to justify such horrendous loss of innocent lives is actually making this exponentially worse for Israel side

[pooya87]

Let’s also not forget all the innocent Israeli people that have  been killed too. My mind goes back to the concert where Hamas slaughtered innocent party goers.

You mean the Unit 8200 officers? Palestinians hit them hard to arrest their terrorist officers not to kill them; the objective was to bring them back to Gaza for interrogation; the intelligence extracted from those Israeli terrorists helped dismantle many terrorist cells in multiple countries in the region in the months that followed.
Not to mention that Palestinian Resistance forces needed prisoners to be able to have something to force Israeli terrorists to release thousands of hostages (including women and children) from their torture dungeons. Palestinian hostages that nobody is talking about!

The soldiers (they refer to as civilians) who were killed, were killed by Israeli terrorists themselves when they activated their Hannibal Directive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive).

<justifying genocide>

I haven't heard a scarier justification than it's the other sides fault and they're leaving Israelis no choice but to massacre tens of thousands of innocent women, children and babies. At least lie and say that it's not happening at such scale, and that few kids that did die were from over eating ice cream or something. Your ridiculous attempts to justify such horrendous loss of innocent lives is actually making this exponentially worse for Israel side

Ask him about the genocide starting from 1940s when the Zionists first came to Palestine and began establishing their first terrorist cells in the country and started the occupation process until 1987 when HAMAS was first established.

Oh I know, the al-Qaeda sympathizer Franky wants to convince everyone that everything started on October 7, 2023 when the Zionist occupiers took the biggest hit in 70+ years of their occupation of Palestine...

[paxmao]

You should also rename the Strait of Aden to the "Strait of Iran" and perhaps the 4th of July to "the day of the sheep".

The OP and the respondants here share something in common: they cry a lot about what the US does, but keep very silent about their own sadistic regimes. Particularly, Iran is sponsoring terrorism while claiming that the US strikes killed children and DaRude trollfarm inmates claim while Ruzzia is attacking Ukrainian cities without any particular military objective.

I think people do know you around here by now.

[franky1]

<justifying genocide>

I haven't heard a scarier justification than it's the other sides fault and they're leaving Israelis no choice but to massacre tens of thousands of innocent women, children and babies. At least lie and say that it's not happening at such scale, and that few kids that did die were from over eating ice cream or something. Your ridiculous attempts to justify such horrendous loss of innocent lives is actually making this exponentially worse for Israel side

Ask him about the genocide starting from 1940s when the Zionists first came to Palestine and began establishing their first terrorist cells in the country and started the occupation process until 1987 when HAMAS was first established.

gotta laugh at pooya and DaRule both saying im justifying genocide
its not isreal tht is shouting the desire to massacre an entire nation or race.. yet iran are.. so its pooya and his ilk that want complete obliteration of a entire race/religion/nation

isreals target is not to obliterate all palestinians. its to take out hamas (a terror group sponsored by iran with iraninan intentions)
heck even hamas are willing to kill palestinians. so hamas are not innocent of anything

isreal have offered multiple peace opportunities. isreal have sent in more food supplies than needed.. enough to cover until mid 2026.. and yet its not reaching the starving palestinians due to hamas controlling the hoarded supplies

isreal is not performing genocide. yet the iran regime wants genocide
iran/hamas mantra: "death to isreal, death to america" sounds like genocide to me. also instead of saying destruction of IDF the iran/hamas rhetoric is not limited to military or authority targets, they want the destruction to jewish and isreal targets aka "zionists", thus again proof of genocide

Oh I know, the al-Qaeda sympathizer Franky wants to convince everyone that everything started on October 7, 2023 when the Zionist occupiers took the biggest hit in 70+ years of their occupation of Palestine...

isreal have 3000 years+ known occupation of "from the river to the sea".. yet, palestine had mistakenly been recognised by british memorandum for just 25 years of occupancy status of the land

palestine(philistines) only have old history of the gaza area 2000+ years ago.. thus isreal has more provenance
even the persian empire does not have as much history as the isrealites

but its funny how pooya wants to forget and not want to look at the atrocities performed by hamas/iran on random innocents, where there was no military target in the area's hit by hamas/iran proxys, so hamas cant even say the innocents were just background collateral..

[DaRude]

<justifying genocide>

I haven't heard a scarier justification than it's the other sides fault and they're leaving Israelis no choice but to massacre tens of thousands of innocent women, children and babies. At least lie and say that it's not happening at such scale, and that few kids that did die were from over eating ice cream or something. Your ridiculous attempts to justify such horrendous loss of innocent lives is actually making this exponentially worse for Israel side

Ask him about the genocide starting from 1940s when the Zionists first came to Palestine and began establishing their first terrorist cells in the country and started the occupation process until 1987 when HAMAS was first established.

gotta laugh at pooya and DaRule both saying im justifying genocide
its not isreal tht is shouting the desire to massacre an entire nation or race.. yet iran are.. so its pooya and his ilk that want complete obliteration of a entire race/religion/nation

isreals target is not to obliterate all palestinians. its to take out hamas (a terror group sponsored by iran with iraninan intentions)
heck even hamas are willing to kill palestinians. so hamas are not innocent of anything

isreal have offered multiple peace opportunities. isreal have sent in more food supplies than needed.. enough to cover until mid 2026.. and yet its not reaching the starving palestinians due to hamas controlling the hoarded supplies

isreal is not performing genocide. yet the iran regime wants genocide
iran/hamas mantra: "death to isreal, death to america" sounds like genocide to me. also instead of saying destruction of IDF the iran/hamas rhetoric is not limited to military or authority targets, they want the destruction to jewish and isreal targets akak "zionists", thus again proof of genocide

Oh I know, the al-Qaeda sympathizer Franky wants to convince everyone that everything started on October 7, 2023 when the Zionist occupiers took the biggest hit in 70+ years of their occupation of Palestine...

isreal have 3000 years+ known occupation of "from the river to the sea".. yet, palestine had mistakenly been recognised by british memorandum for just 25 years of occupancy status of the land

palestine(philistines) only have old history of the gaza area 2000+ years ago.. thus isreal has more provenance
even the persian empire does not have as much history as the isrealites

but its funny how pooya wants to forget and not want to look at the atrocities performed by hamas/iran on random innocents, where there was no military target in the area's hit by hamas/iran proxys, so hamas cant even say the innocents were just background collateral..

Perhaps there's misunderstanding in definitions   A rather very simple question for you: please define "proportionality of a response", and a "genocide". That is, what threshold must be crossed for you to say that the loss of innocent lives in Gaza would be considered a genocide? Or are you're claiming that there are no limits, numbers don't matter, and Israel can wipe out million of innocent women and children in Gaza and you would still consider it a proportional response as long as IDF draws a happy face and writes "only use on Hamas" on every bullet or some other justification?

You should also rename the Strait of Aden to the "Strait of Iran" and perhaps the 4th of July to "the day of the sheep".

The OP and the respondants here share something in common: they cry a lot about what the US does, but keep very silent about their own sadistic regimes. Particularly, Iran is sponsoring terrorism while claiming that the US strikes killed children and DaRude trollfarm inmates claim while Ruzzia is attacking Ukrainian cities without any particular military objective.

I think people do know you around here by now.

Stop trying to steal spotlight for Ukraine everywhere. Give me population, amount of explosives launched, duration of a conflict, and amount of "collateral  damage" in civilian lives for Gaza and Ukraine. You know hard numbers. Once we have the ratio, and scale, then we can objectively discuss who should be condemned and sanctioned more. Very easy to pull up even AI will do it, but i'm guessing you won't do it because, you know, maths don't really matter when you have an agenda to serve



To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law

[franky1]

Perhaps there's misunderstanding in definitions   A rather very simple question for you: please define "proportionality of a response", and a "genocide". That is, what threshold must be crossed for you to say that the loss of innocent lives in Gaza would be considered a genocide? Or are you're claiming that there are no limits, numbers don't matter, and Israel can wipe out million of innocent women and children in Gaza and you would still consider it a proportional response as long as IDF draws a happy face and writes "only use on Hamas" on every bullet or some other justification?

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
hamas are a extremist terror group not their own nation/race/ethnicity/religion.. so taking out hamas is not genocide

isreal is not trying to ethnically clense all palestinians. nor are the palestinians the intended targets. hamas are the targets. palestinians are the unintentional collateral damage due to how hamas control the area and people they dont want to leave the area(hamas use palestinians as human shields)

isreal is not trying to "wipe out millions of innocent women and children in Gaza" isreal continually give warnings to the innocent population that hamas have infiltrated their neighbourhood and turned it into a target zone and isreal give innocent people a warning to move out the area so isreal can deal with hamas..

hamas are the ones dictating that people should stay put and become human shields.
hamas wont even let some groups move out of temporary tents in winter to find more suitable shelter. yep hamas want people to freeze to death and not get aid

and with regards to aid, isreal are the ones trying to bring in aid supplies.. but its hamas that are using palestinians as cannon fodder by hamas dictating that innocent palestinians should blockade and ambush the supply trucks, and its then hamas that steal the food and hoard it. hamas rile up the innocent palestinians to turn them into rioters to cause conflict

hamas also use schools, churches and hospitals as their hiding places, hoping that the human shields of palestinians using that infrastructure would protect them from attack.. but when isreal send warnings that this area is now a warzone target and innocent people should move out the way, but again hamas dictate that innocent people should stay.. thus its hamas causing unneeded casualties/collateral damage

if hamas simply did not exist, palestinians and isreali's would have had peace deals done years ago

iran and hamas dont care about who they kill, especially when hamas are now even killing palestinians that are trying to get the food out of the hamas storage yards
iran dont hit only strategic military targets as a priority, they mass bomb random residential buildings with no political/intellectual/military personnel, thus no strategic purpose but to harm innocents

[MusaPk]

How many innocent people have Hamas killed and how many innocent people have Israel killed since then? Look it up

According to UN, 798 people were killed in six weeks at aid points recently setup by USA and Israel. The only fault of these people is that they were hungry and went to aid centres in search of food. This shows the mindset of Israel army that they are not reluctant in killing hungry people who are lined up for food. No supply is entering Gaza and the way Israel and US distributing food to people in Gaza is just a humiliation of humanity.  

isreal have 3000 years+ known occupation of "from the river to the sea".. yet, palestine had mistakenly been recognised by british memorandum for just 25 years of occupancy status of the land

Israel has 3000 years old history that started on 1948.

[franky1]

isreal have 3000 years+ known occupation of "from the river to the sea".. yet, palestine had mistakenly been recognised by british memorandum for just 25 years of occupancy status of the land

Israel has 3000 years old history that started on 1948.

you have no clue.. look further back.. do some history lessons for your own benefit. palestinians did not have land rights for 3000 years.. they only had assertions for ~25 years. assertions based purely on british memorandum of recognition.., not the rest of the world

palestinians only rightful claim is of the area known as gaza.. not the whole "from the river to the sea" rhetoric

learn about the philistines and isrealites. awaken your mind beyond modern media studies.

[YADAYADA]

...........see that tiny yellow dot? That is Israel, the only Jewish State in the world.

They want you to believe that this tiny dot, a state the size of New Jersey, is a colonial invader.






This is October 7th.

Hundreds of young women and men who just wanted to dance at a music festival, were mercilessly slaughtered by Hamas.

[DaRude]

Perhaps there's misunderstanding in definitions   A rather very simple question for you: please define "proportionality of a response", and a "genocide". That is, what threshold must be crossed for you to say that the loss of innocent lives in Gaza would be considered a genocide? Or are you're claiming that there are no limits, numbers don't matter, and Israel can wipe out million of innocent women and children in Gaza and you would still consider it a proportional response as long as IDF draws a happy face and writes "only use on Hamas" on every bullet or some other justification?

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
hamas are a extremist terror group not their own nation/race/ethnicity/religion.. so taking out hamas is not genocide

isreal is not trying to ethnically clense all palestinians. nor are the palestinians the intended targets. hamas are the targets. palestinians are the unintentional collateral damage due to how hamas control the area and people they dont want to leave the area(hamas use palestinians as human shields)

isreal is not trying to "wipe out millions of innocent women and children in Gaza" isreal continually give warnings to the innocent population that hamas have infiltrated their neighbourhood and turned it into a target zone and isreal give innocent people a warning to move out the area so isreal can deal with hamas..

hamas are the ones dictating that people should stay put and become human shields.
hamas wont even let some groups move out of temporary tents in winter to find more suitable shelter. yep hamas want people to freeze to death and not get aid

and with regards to aid, isreal are the ones trying to bring in aid supplies.. but its hamas that are using palestinians as cannon fodder by hamas dictating that innocent palestinians should blockade and ambush the supply trucks, and its then hamas that steal the food and hoard it. hamas rile up the innocent palestinians to turn them into rioters to cause conflict

hamas also use schools, churches and hospitals as their hiding places, hoping that the human shields of palestinians using that infrastructure would protect them from attack.. but when isreal send warnings that this area is now a warzone target and innocent people should move out the way, but again hamas dictate that innocent people should stay.. thus its hamas causing unneeded casualties/collateral damage

if hamas simply did not exist, palestinians and isreali's would have had peace deals done years ago

iran and hamas dont care about who they kill, especially when hamas are now even killing palestinians that are trying to get the food out of the hamas storage yards
iran dont hit only strategic military targets as a priority, they mass bomb random residential buildings with no political/intellectual/military personnel, thus no strategic purpose but to harm innocents

So it's not the actual results of an action but a claimed intent that makes all the difference for you? So, all Hitler had to do was to claim that final solution was not his intent and then there wouldn't be a genocide in your head? I think we found where the problem is here.

5. Among others, the following types of attacks are to be considered as indiscriminate:
...
(b) an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.

Do you see how Geneva convention is indifferent to what anyone claims they're not trying to do?

But let's take a step back here, without laying blame of who's at fault, would you concede that a loss of civilian life of 24,818 men 9,126 women 17,121 children and 4,137 elderly is excessive in Gaza, regardless whether you believe it's Hamas or Israels to blame.

[MusaPk]

you have no clue.. look further back.. do some history lessons for your own benefit. palestinians did not have land rights for 3000 years.. they only had assertions for ~25 years. assertions based purely on british memorandum of recognition.., not the rest of the world

palestinians only rightful claim is of the area known as gaza.. not the whole "from the river to the sea" rhetoric

learn about the philistines and isrealites. awaken your mind beyond modern media studies.

This is very strange logic that since Jews were living in this region 3000 years ago so they have the right to occupy this land now by hook or crook. Of course we don't know who was living in this region 3000 years ago and that's why they have coined that logic of 3000 years.

As per this logic, my grand parents were forced to migrate from Punjab region in India in 1947. I also now have the right to claim that piece of land my ancestors were having their?