Have you played with the POGO?

[Viscore]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

You can watch this documentary, The Deadly World Of Philippines' Offshore Gambling Syndicates | Undercover Asia | CNA Documentary

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

[Maslate]

I'm not sure if I have played with this before since it's online and the government does not reveal the websites used by POGO. I think they mostly cater to Chinese people as the idea was to build a gambling hub in the Philippines since gambling is illegal in China. As for the spy thing, I don't think it's reliable because China has reached out to the Philippine government before to stop the operation of POGO, but the president did not entertain it since they are benefiting from the income they are making.

Mostly, the victims are just Chinese people, those they hire from China to work in the Philippines, so the crime wasn't very public since they hid what they were doing inside the hub. The biggest concern in their operation is the money laundering since they aren't fully regulated, and their transactions aren't being scrutinized, with regulations limited to paperwork, particularly on the license.

[Yaunfitda]

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

I'm not sure if I have played with the so called POGO, but for sure majority of us have played online and maybe we really don't know that the games that we have been playing is under POGO in the Philippines. And perhaps the question is, how do we know? Perhaps there are also some off shore gaming not from the Philippines with live dealers. Or maybe if we play let's say online roulette, we have seen live dealers and it seems that most of them are in Europe and not in Asia? So it's really hard to know where we play if it is off shore and if it is in Europe or Asia. In any case, it seems that POGO has a bad reputation already from the Philippine government and now they are halting everything and raiding those offices as it involved crimes inside and there is a big name involved like a local elect Mayor who reports says is the facilitator and could be a spy for the Chinese.

[EluguHcman]

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

I am sure not to had played on this site because I am pretty not a freak to be attracted on new gambling opportunities.

Even if I must gamble on new or strange sites, it must be by one on one recommendation and not as one of the running online ADs.
Apparently the POGO is totally a strange related to gambling to me.

[HONDACD125]

I am sure not to had played on this site because I am pretty not a freak to be attracted on new gambling opportunities.

Even if I must gamble on new or strange sites, it must be by one on one recommendation and not as one of the running online ADs.
Apparently the POGO is totally a strange related to gambling to me.

We would say way fewer complaints from gamblers if everyone had the same thoughts as you about new gambling platforms and opportunities, but most gamblers get attracted when they see an ad or a promotion with some bonus or something, and casinos and their marketing experts know this thing and this is why they use this tactic to attract new gamblers.

This is mostly common in new gamblers, they lack experience so they think that the bonuses they get from new casinos can make them money, though some of them manage to be lucky and earn something from the bonuses, most of them can't even clear the wagering requirements and lose all their money before that.

Those who are experienced understand that these bonuses are nothing more than a way for them to attract new gamblers to their platforms and one can barely manage to withdraw anything using those bonuses.

[avp2306]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

You can watch this documentary, The Deadly World Of Philippines' Offshore Gambling Syndicates | Undercover Asia | CNA Documentary

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

Not sure if their casinos operated are accepting cryptocurrencies but I'm bit sure I didn't pick yet any casino which have related to POGO's since so far I didn't played any casino which has been located on Philippines. I usually goes with those casino advertised in bitcointalk so maybe its safe to say that I didn't gamble on those controversial casino since still see those casino smoothly running and didn't experience any issue yet.

The problem beneath those POGO operation is they include those illegal operations that's why their operations has been stopped. I guess taxes they provide became nothing if their business model creates more larger harm to the community that's why they are been a hot topic now.

[_act_]

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

The first time that I heard about POGO was when someone brought it up on this forum that Filipino government wants to ban the game because of how it is used in criminal ways. I did not bother to check what the game is all about. I only play few of casino games which are roulette, dice and slots which are easy to know how to play. That is why I like casinos, they have many games including those ones that does not require cards. I do not know much about card games which is the reason I do not go for blackjack, baccarat and poker.

[crwth]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

I think you are late because the president of the Philippines has already announced the Banning of POGOs and this only going to be at the end of this year to completely seize operations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/philippines-bans-gambling-operations-catered-to-illicit-chinese-players/ar-BB1qskZw?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I don’t think I have ever played in one, but I just see the effects of it, and also the foreigners in the Philippines that are probably connected to that is quite alarming and there is a lot. All the negative effects and using POGOs As a front to commit crimes is definitely the best solution by banning it.

[Jating]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

You can watch this documentary, The Deadly World Of Philippines' Offshore Gambling Syndicates | Undercover Asia | CNA Documentary

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

I was under the impression that POGO is illegal as it become a front for illegal casinos and operators behind. But it could be true that there are some POGO that might be real and most likely we might have played on them specially live games.

For the Philippines, the sentiments are now negative, and even if the government are making billions in dollars, but the repercussions are very bad that's why the President will have not choice but to totally ban it. But I don't think it will stop this POGO, they might have to go to other Asian neighboring countries that are willing to cuddle them in exchange of billions on taxes but they should have learn from the mistakes of the Philippines government.

[ultrloa]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

You can watch this documentary, The Deadly World Of Philippines' Offshore Gambling Syndicates | Undercover Asia | CNA Documentary

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

I was under the impression that POGO is illegal as it become a front for illegal casinos and operators behind. But it could be true that there are some POGO that might be real and most likely we might have played on them specially live games.

For the Philippines, the sentiments are now negative, and even if the government are making billions in dollars, but the repercussions are very bad that's why the President will have not choice but to totally ban it. But I don't think it will stop this POGO, they might have to go to other Asian neighboring countries that are willing to cuddle them in exchange of billions on taxes but they should have learn from the mistakes of the Philippines government.

The way how they operate their business then doing those illegalities on their hubs leaves impression that there's nothing good it brings for people and to the country. That's why I agree with government officials urges the President to ban this kind of activities since illegal activities like what those POGO's do should be stop. And I think the latest updates about this cases is they totally ban this POGO on Philippines so its really good they decide about that since even in Chine this operation has been declared as illegal on their country.

If some institutions worrying about the tax then for sure they can find something else that can able to generate funds to them. But the evil deeds made by those illegal operators should be stop so they can avoid more bigger problems in future.

[danherbias07]

It looks like we have a lot of answers that we are not sure of. I am trying to research what games they are offering in POGOs here in the Philippines and I Googled it, surprisingly I have not played any games that are listed there. We don't know if they are also offering slot games like JILI and Fachai as slot providers which are very popular in our country. If they are, then we are not sure if we actually played one of them because many online gambling sites today are using those said slot providers since they are the fastest ones and we can bet at a cheap price too, as low as 1 peso per roll.
But, if all the games listed in Google is all they had, I don't think I have played in it yet.

[Finestream]

The way how they operate their business then doing those illegalities on their hubs leaves impression that there's nothing good it brings for people and to the country. That's why I agree with government officials urges the President to ban this kind of activities since illegal activities like what those POGO's do should be stop. And I think the latest updates about this cases is they totally ban this POGO on Philippines so its really good they decide about that since even in Chine this operation has been declared as illegal on their country.

Some of them are licensed with PAGCOR (a government agency), while others operate illegally. It cannot be regulated well due to corrupt officials, especially in immigration, who allow Chinese workers of POGO to enter without proper documentation in exchange for bribes. This is why many workers are coming to the Philippines to work for POGO, and the authorities can't monitor it effectively because they allow entry even without a working visa.

If some institutions worrying about the tax then for sure they can find something else that can able to generate funds to them. But the evil deeds made by those illegal operators should be stop so they can avoid more bigger problems in future.

They have already evaluated it, and the benefits don't outweigh the negative impacts it would bring to the country. So, the decision to ban was just right. I'm just worried about what will happen to the buildings they created, which are quite large. For instance, there is a POGO hub in one province that spans around 7 hectares.

[freedomgo]

It looks like we have a lot of answers that we are not sure of. <>

According to this article https://hyperlocal.ph/what-are-pogos-and-how-do-they-work-in-the-philippines/

POGOs fall under three main categories:

E-casinos – Online casinos that operate in real-time, usually offering a variety of games
Sports betting – Gambling that involves predicting results and placing bets on sporting events
Sportsbetting on Regulated Wagering Events (SBRWE) – Regulated by other jurisdictions and provides live audio/visual feeds of events to consumers

So, they likely offer a wide range of games, as popular games attract gamblers. We might not be aware of these because the majority of their customers are Chinese or other Asian people. We can usually tell if a live casino is operating in the Philippines if the dealers and staff are Asians. In contrast, other casinos often feature American or European staff.

[aioc]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

The problem here is monitoring the local officials are so corrupt that they failed to stop other POGO operators from turning their hub into a scam and criminal hub, there is human trafficking, sex extortion, scams, and torture the local officials are being paid by these criminal operators from operating without interference and monitoring.

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

The harm outweighs the benefits in this article POGO's contribution to the economy is only a small fraction of the GDP as detailed on this article

Government economic managers on Tuesday downplayed the economic losses that would result from the total ban on Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators (POGOs) in the country, pointing out that the industry contributed less than 0.5% of the gross domestic product (GDP).

Benefits from POGO ban outweigh costs -economic managers

[coin-investor]

POGO has been a hot issue in the Philippines recently due to crimes related to its operation. I was surprised to learn that there was already a documentary about this three years ago, but the government seemed not to have taken the right action. Now, it seems they are considering banning the operation due to the mentioned reasons.

The POGO has already been banned, the president of the Philippines has announced it on his SONA
Marcos bans Pogo, cites ‘disorder’ it caused PH

From a financial aspect, POGO brings in billions of pesos to the Philippines through taxes, so it's hard to let this go. However, these crimes are no longer tolerable, and they have tarnished the country's reputation. There are also rumors that other countries, particularly China, have sent spies to the Philippines since POGO is operated by Chinese people.

It is not yet established, but there's a strong belief that there are spies in the POGO hub because they found camouflage, other high-tech telecommunication equipment, and, of course, undocumented Chinese. All these make one suspicious that there's espionage.

So the question is, have you played with these casinos before? They have live dealers, which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum; I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

I don't know if there are casinos here that POGO is serving that are based in the Philippines if they have then there will be an interruption of their service because of the ban.

[alani123]

The Marcos dictatorship in the Philippines seems so inept and unable to understand even basic concepts. Seems like they're banning operators that didn't bow to their corruption because they were foreign now. If they wanted to fix the issue why not try to work with these businesses to regulate them? A few years ago they were happy to issue licenses and allow them to operate under the country's non-existent human rights and worker's rights record.

It's a crazy world in the philipines. The doctator does as he pleases without any due process. If you hear the government's point for banning an entire sector, it's just "disorder"... Ok, why not just try to tax this industry and make laws for worker's rights that would also positively affect the local population? Marcos just doesn't care. He wants his people to suffer under inhumane working conditions so his cronies can enrich themselves. But when foreign nationals take advantage of the scheme he has created he might as well ban it outright.

[Wapfika]

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

AFAIK, POGO is only exclusive for foreign people outside the Philippines, this casino charge different taxes which is higher than the regular tax on casino.

Playing in POGO is for VIP only since they typically being played by rich Chinese businessmen and also doing something shady such as money laundering. As a regular gambler, There’s no advantage playing on this type of casino because they offer nothing special except for the possibility to launder of foreign businessmen.

[Questat]

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

AFAIK, POGO is only exclusive for foreign people outside the Philippines, this casino charge different taxes which is higher than the regular tax on casino.

Playing in POGO is for VIP only since they typically being played by rich Chinese businessmen and also doing something shady such as money laundering. As a regular gambler, There’s no advantage playing on this type of casino because they offer nothing special except for the possibility to launder of foreign businessmen.

There's not much information shared about how to play POGO. However, there should be a website that players need to visit in order to play, just like a regular casino where we can see if they cater to our country, so we would know if we can play or not. All we know is that POGO is linked to money laundering as its biggest issue. Aside from that, we have no idea how to access it to at least try and see if it does really restrict the locals from playing.

[YOSHIE]

So question is, have you played with these casinos before. They have this live dealers which are also available in other casinos that are popular in the forum, I'm thinking maybe they are providing those.

We can't get much information about the POGO network, obviously this gambling network is generally developed in the Philippines, I tried searching on Bitcointalk and just found it in this thread, so obviously I haven't done anything on that website, it's foreign to me.

Moreover, it clearly mentions the crimes committed by the POGO network.

22nd July 2024 | By Kyle Goldsmith. All Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators (POGOs) will be banned, president Ferdinand Marcos Jr has announced today. Marcos accused the sector of facilitating illicit activities like financial scamming, money laundering, prostitution, human trafficking, kidnapping, torture and murder.

For me about POGO, it's better not to know him at all, considering the negative things happening as above.

[topbitcoin]

I don't seem to use that casino to play, I also seem to have just heard the name and don't feel familiar with it at all, and I also sometimes don't pay attention to where a casino is from where I play.

As long as it's not advertised on the forum I don't think anyone uses it except people in the country itself, some friends from the Philippines who are on the forum may have tried it.

But it's unfortunate that the government didn't take direct action despite the documentary, it probably goes back to the country's own interests, because as you said they get a pretty big tax it seems so before this entered the international scene it was left alone, and now that the problem has exploded, it's time to shut it down, after all the country's reputation may be at stake for such a widespread problem.