bookmaker refusing to do KYC in advance - fortune jack btw-

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Also, some sites request KYC again citing various bullshit reasons whenever they want which is why one time only KYC is not a surety.

This is a common issue in the real world, where some casinos suddenly request a KYC process again, and you might not pass anymore. Casinos typically do not force everyone to submit KYC documents when an account is created because it would be a huge job for them due to the large number of gamblers. Additionally, not all gamblers stay with one casino; some just gamble once and then leave for another casino. Therefore, it's reasonable that casinos do not require KYC right away for that reason.

Well, I am just thinking, if crypto exchanges can implement immediately kyc verification for new users before that user is allowed to make any deposit to the exchange and start trading, why can't such implementation of setting work on online gambling casinos as well?

On the other hand though, I could see some reasons why some or most casino fail to have a permanent kyc verification method, and the reason is because there is alot of fraud on the world of gambling, gambling casinos are doing their own fraud, and gamblers are also doing their own fraud, and who ever is able to beat the other wins at the end of the day.
For example, underaged gambling is prohibited, but we still have alot of underaged gamblers today, and how do they verify their account? It's simple, they use documents of relatives or friends that are older, and alot of casinos know this, and this is why from time to time, they ask kyc verification for no reason, simply as a way to catch those either have verified bought account from other users or past users, or have used documents they do not own to verify their account.

This is just a part of the reason, there are several others actually.

[rohang]

so i have account in fortunejack since years

OP i have a way how you can get them to KYC you, without any deposit. DM if interested

[mak013]

That`s what i`m talking about. The gambler must be able to KYC when he want, not only when casino decide so. If the support refuse - it looks like they are ready to cheat during withdrawal: ask additional documents, video-calls, etc. May be their security systems don`t allow other way of KYC but it is unfair to the gambler.
PS. I can recommend to make several small withdrawals until they KYC you. The other way is to choose another casino.

To be honest I kinda agree with you a user should be able to do KYC at any time, If the casino want KYC after win BIG or during withdrawal process I don't think this fair. If there is mandatory then we should do KYC on the first we register IMO

I have a question for the OP? Can u just do KYC in their setting I don't play at fortune jack but I am just curious because if this is an exchange you can do KYC at the setting so basically you can do KYC later on.

It is fair, that they can ask KYC during withdrawal, but it is unfair that we can`t KYC when we want. They don`t care where from they get money but begin care when they have to give it back.

I don`t think that the OP can KYC himself, if support told him that he has to wait KYC during withdrawal.(As for me - it is awful support, they had to say something like "you wiil be KYCed when security decide so" but not "during withdrawal").

[Kavelj22]

That`s what i`m talking about. The gambler must be able to KYC when he want, not only when casino decide so. If the support refuse - it looks like they are ready to cheat during withdrawal: ask additional documents, video-calls, etc. May be their security systems don`t allow other way of KYC but it is unfair to the gambler.

This is completely agreed upon from an ethical theoretical point of view regarding the ethics of dealing and interaction between any service site and its users. However, there is always a loophole related to the fact that any user has approved the terms of use TOS before completing all the registration procedures for the first time. In those terms, there is no indication that the user can request to complete the KYC verification procedures at all levels. This has become clear that it is intentional and not spontaneous at all, since it gives the green light to any user to deposit and play indefinitely, until they win a large sum and intend to withdraw it, at which point the problems begin. The lucky platform will find the appropriate loophole during the completion of those procedures to deprive the user of them in a way that does not conflict with its policies announced in the TOS. If you know of casinos that allow this, please let me know.

[acroman08]

I do find it kind of weird that they'd reject a KYC verification when the gambler themselves is the one requesting it. I wonder what their reason is for rejecting your request to undergo KYC.

I am not supporting Fortunejack here, but to be honest, I think that the reason they don’t undergo advance KYC is that it will cost them additional time and labor work. KYC are processed manually at many casinos; hence, the work load for them will increase.

What difference does it make, doing the KYC now against doing it later at a withdrawal stage. Isn't same energy and time that will still be spent?

It's the readiness the OP has to submit the required documentation to finish the KYC and the convenience it can provide when withdrawing after finishing the KYC before you start gambling on the casino. also, being asked to perform KYC when trying to withdraw after winning a certain amount can be stressful for the gambler(I'm sure you've seen the people who posted complaints here on the forum that are KYC-related).

[jossiel]

While the others don't like to go through KYC and don't even have the thought of doing it in advance, OP is one of the kind that don't want to hassle it whenever he's going to withdraw bigger amount once he's won it.

That's wise but if the casinos like fortunejack don't allow it to happen in advance then just proceed with the normal thing that you do OP.

Play and deposit that $1k and let it go through the process and when they flag your transaction as something alarming, they'd ask you for that kyc automatically but then, they'll read the history in the chats about you volunteering to do it in advance.

[Odusko]

Asking for KYC in advance is a weird practice, is the first time I see a user trying it. But I feel like every casino should let their users to KYC their accounts before making a deposito, that way the user will build trust.

Maybe other casino let you do it, you should try with the most popular casinos.

KYC at the point of registration seems to be the new norm's with most cryptocurrency casino, most reputable casinos are highly centralised and for that comply with KYC demands from the government so I don't see any issues if a user or the casino decide to ask for KYC in advance, and this time the ops or anyone who intend to make transactions that is somewhere above $1000 should at least go through KYC so as to secure the funds, that is my approach to most casinos, as far as centralised casinos are concerned, I think this should be what we first have a thought of before we create an account on a casino as long that the casino is a KYC compliance casino, this is most necessary for us to secure our funds and also comply with regulations as the try to put everything in place.

[Sunderland]

I do find it kind of weird that they'd reject a KYC verification when the gambler themselves is the one requesting it. I wonder what their reason is for rejecting your request to undergo KYC.

I am not supporting Fortunejack here, but to be honest, I think that the reason they don’t undergo advance KYC is that it will cost them additional time and labor work. KYC are processed manually at many casinos; hence, the work load for them will increase.

What difference does it make, doing the KYC now against doing it later at a withdrawal stage. Isn't same energy and time that will still be spent?

We are aware of how much difficult it is as gamblers to pass KYC at the stage of withdrawal in any casino, some could even go ahead requesting for information which initially at a registration stage before deposit they won't require. I am that person that don't feel comfortable depositing in any centralized platform without first fulfilling their KYC requirements, so I understand how the Op feels about that.

I'm sure it's not because of the work load issue, but it's just one of their security policies and I know many casinos that implement the same policy.
When a user is flagged by the system, the withdrawal will be pending and the user will be ask to do the KYC, with that way the casino will have more time to check why the user was flagged by their system.
And sometimes casinos have to request more information about it from their providers, and the process will certainly take time.

From a user's perspective, carrying out KYC at the beginning is to prevent their money from being lost/frozen because they cannot provided the KYC documents that the casino requires.
And there are also many abusers who think that KYC = whitelist and by doing KYC at the beginning, the casino will no longer have a reason to hold back their withdrawals.

[Charles-Tim]

so i have account in fortunejack since years

OP i have a way how you can get them to KYC you, without any deposit. DM if interested

If not a scam intention, why not just post what OP should do so that he or she can get verified on the gambling site that he is referring to? OP and everyone on this forum should be careful of you. If anything can be done to make OP get verified on Fortunejack, post it on this thread than to make people think you are having a hidden intention.

[topbitcoin]

so i have account in fortunejack since years

OP i have a way how you can get them to KYC you, without any deposit. DM if interested

If not a scam intention, why not just post what OP should do so that he or she can get verified on the gambling site that he is referring to? OP and everyone on this forum should be careful of you. If anything can be done to make OP get verified on Fortunejack, post it on this thread than to make people think you are having a hidden intention.

He should be open and talk about it honestly, but it could be that he is afraid of losing the trick again because the casino representative will verify and close the account doubling loophole on Fortunjack will find out here so he is having a discussion via PM.

Sometimes people don't know the place to do such things, if he offered, why not just PM the object right from the start, and like to attract people's attention, be careful with that person.

[Pmalek]

This is not a matter of being unable to satisfy anyone but for casinos to do the needful and be fair in their operations. At the worst, they should be flexible about the KYC and be reasonable unlike what the main OP experienced. I've never questioned a casino for asking for the KYC completion but I definitely see it awkward to disallow a person willing to do it. What possibly could go wrong if someone completes his KYC earlier? There must be an ulterior motive here.

I don't know. That's a question better directed to casinos in a hope you will get a true answer. Maybe they don't want to keep personal details of players on file unless it's really necessary. I have never been asked by any crypto casino to undergo KYC verification, and if they were to ask me, I wouldn't do it. Perhaps the cases we see on Bitcointalk where people are asked for KYC aren't that common when you look at the bigger picture of all players.

[mak013]

That`s what i`m talking about. The gambler must be able to KYC when he want, not only when casino decide so. If the support refuse - it looks like they are ready to cheat during withdrawal: ask additional documents, video-calls, etc. May be their security systems don`t allow other way of KYC but it is unfair to the gambler.

This is completely agreed upon from an ethical theoretical point of view regarding the ethics of dealing and interaction between any service site and its users. However, there is always a loophole related to the fact that any user has approved the terms of use TOS before completing all the registration procedures for the first time. In those terms, there is no indication that the user can request to complete the KYC verification procedures at all levels. This has become clear that it is intentional and not spontaneous at all, since it gives the green light to any user to deposit and play indefinitely, until they win a large sum and intend to withdraw it, at which point the problems begin. The lucky platform will find the appropriate loophole during the completion of those procedures to deprive the user of them in a way that does not conflict with its policies announced in the TOS. If you know of casinos that allow this, please let me know.

The main part of well-known casino will pay as the result, but you will spend some time trying to get your prize. In the offline casino my record was about 1,5 month, even with personal visit to the bookies` office.
I can`t recommend some casino - in the main part of casinos i still use - i was KYCed due to several deposit-withdrawals, so i even didn`t searched for such an opportunity.

[Kavelj22]

That`s what i`m talking about. The gambler must be able to KYC when he want, not only when casino decide so. If the support refuse - it looks like they are ready to cheat during withdrawal: ask additional documents, video-calls, etc. May be their security systems don`t allow other way of KYC but it is unfair to the gambler.

This is completely agreed upon from an ethical theoretical point of view regarding the ethics of dealing and interaction between any service site and its users. However, there is always a loophole related to the fact that any user has approved the terms of use TOS before completing all the registration procedures for the first time. In those terms, there is no indication that the user can request to complete the KYC verification procedures at all levels. This has become clear that it is intentional and not spontaneous at all, since it gives the green light to any user to deposit and play indefinitely, until they win a large sum and intend to withdraw it, at which point the problems begin. The lucky platform will find the appropriate loophole during the completion of those procedures to deprive the user of them in a way that does not conflict with its policies announced in the TOS. If you know of casinos that allow this, please let me know.

The main part of well-known casino will pay as the result, but you will spend some time trying to get your prize. In the offline casino my record was about 1,5 month, even with personal visit to the bookies` office.
I can`t recommend some casino - in the main part of casinos i still use - i was KYCed due to several deposit-withdrawals, so i even didn`t searched for such an opportunity.

The problem is not with the well-known casinos, and those casinos are few in number and there is no criticism about them, and here I am focusing on the casinos based on crypto. But we currently have a large number of casinos in the market that share relatively the same policies, but differ in their implementation, considering that those policies are flexible in a way that allows the casino to impose types of procedures that may be arbitrary or the purpose of which may be to scam users’ deposits. For example, it is logical to impose KYC procedures within the framework of the policy of combating money laundering and suspicious activities, but it cannot be logical for this to be only at the request of the casino and in cases that can be read in different ways.

Unfortunately, this is a reality that we find ourselves forced to deal with when it comes to online casinos, especially those residing in countries that do not support their online activities.

[o48o]

Asking for KYC in advance is a weird practice, is the first time I see a user trying it. But I feel like every casino should let their users to KYC their accounts before making a deposito, that way the user will build trust.

Maybe other casino let you do it, you should try with the most popular casinos.

I find it way much weirder that op couldn't do that. I haven't actually ever asked to do it but imho it's a good idea. Staying ahead of the problem of slow withdraw process is a really good reason. Because sometimes you need to withdraw faster, and kyc at that point could take a long time and might even require several tries with additional documents (that aren't fast to get and might cost extra), like in some cases.

I don't even know if this is a common practice, but i can't see any reason why this couldn't be an option for OP, especially when it's probablty mandatory in few years to do kyc beforehand in everywhere.

[khaled0111]

but i can't see any reason why this couldn't be an option for OP, especially when it's probablty mandatory in few years to do kyc beforehand in everywhere.

Some of the above members have given two hypotheses so far.
The first is that they don't have or don't want to spend resources on unneeded verifications.
The second is that they don't want to store users' personal documents unless it's necessary.
Personally, I don't think those are valid reasons especially when it comes to what is supposed to be a well established casino such as FortuneJack.

[rage_degen]

so i have account in fortunejack since years
never did kyc
deposit and withdra  few times but im negative in this account
i want to re deposit around 1k so i ask them to do my lyc now and so everything will be ok
i know fortune jack is pretty famous and looks legit
but i want to avoid any issue

so there is the answer i get just few minute away
im sorry but i find this ridiculous
from my country kyc is mandatory before betting, and it should be the norm everywhere
but i get it if i win too much they will ask kyc and more shitty documents like cloudbet and others did to me in the past

so yeah sorry fortune jack, i will go somewhere else
i really find this behavior weird.



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[frenchmika]

but i can't see any reason why this couldn't be an option for OP, especially when it's probablty mandatory in few years to do kyc beforehand in everywhere.

Some of the above members have given two hypotheses so far.
The first is that they don't have or don't want to spend resources on unneeded verifications.
The second is that they don't want to store users' personal documents unless it's necessary.
Personally, I don't think those are valid reasons especially when it comes to what is supposed to be a well established casino such as FortuneJack.

the reason is easy
i want to provide my id, source of funds and adress

so if they validate at the opening and even they ask me lot of others papers before i want to deposit , i know the risk of being scammed will be lower than 1% because i provide some documents that have been accepted in the past so there is no reason to make it harder later.
im sorry but i dont trust the bookmakers.

as i say in my country KYC mandatory before deposit and believe me i never get scammed by a real licenced operator.
curacao licenced are just a big joke they not protect player

[Russlenat]

but i can't see any reason why this couldn't be an option for OP, especially when it's probablty mandatory in few years to do kyc beforehand in everywhere.

Some of the above members have given two hypotheses so far.
The first is that they don't have or don't want to spend resources on unneeded verifications.
The second is that they don't want to store users' personal documents unless it's necessary.
Personally, I don't think those are valid reasons especially when it comes to what is supposed to be a well established casino such as FortuneJack.

the reason is easy
i want to provide my id, source of funds and adress

so if they validate at the opening and even they ask me lot of others papers before i want to deposit , i know the risk of being scammed will be lower than 1% because i provide some documents that have been accepted in the past so there is no reason to make it harder later.
im sorry but i dont trust the bookmakers.

as i say in my country KYC mandatory before deposit and believe me i never get scammed by a real licenced operator.
curacao licenced are just a big joke they not protect player

That is a misconception, as submitting a KYC in advance, even if they are going to accept it, doesn't reduce the risk of getting scammed. Just think about it, even if you are fully compliant with the rules but the casino is a scam, you are not exempted; you will be subjected to the same kind of scam they do to others.

[Coin_trader]

the reason is easy
i want to provide my id, source of funds and adress

so if they validate at the opening and even they ask me lot of others papers before i want to deposit , i know the risk of being scammed will be lower than 1% because i provide some documents that have been accepted in the past so there is no reason to make it harder later.
im sorry but i dont trust the bookmakers.

I don’t really see the logic behind this statement. Fortunejack doesn’t apply KYC if you still doesn’t play at all which the support mention. Your issue will be easily resolved if you will just play first using small amount then ask for KYC once you will withdraw already.

as i say in my country KYC mandatory before deposit and believe me i never get scammed by a real licenced operator.
curacao licenced are just a big joke they not protect player

Because your local casino use FIAT currency which is different to cryptocurrency. All FIAT transactions needs to be regulated while cryptocurrencies doesn't really required unless your country is regulating crypto too.

[ultrloa]

but i can't see any reason why this couldn't be an option for OP, especially when it's probablty mandatory in few years to do kyc beforehand in everywhere.

Some of the above members have given two hypotheses so far.
The first is that they don't have or don't want to spend resources on unneeded verifications.
The second is that they don't want to store users' personal documents unless it's necessary.
Personally, I don't think those are valid reasons especially when it comes to what is supposed to be a well established casino such as FortuneJack.

the reason is easy
i want to provide my id, source of funds and adress

so if they validate at the opening and even they ask me lot of others papers before i want to deposit , i know the risk of being scammed will be lower than 1% because i provide some documents that have been accepted in the past so there is no reason to make it harder later.
im sorry but i dont trust the bookmakers.

as i say in my country KYC mandatory before deposit and believe me i never get scammed by a real licenced operator.
curacao licenced are just a big joke they not protect player

That is a misconception, as submitting a KYC in advance, even if they are going to accept it, doesn't reduce the risk of getting scammed. Just think about it, even if you are fully compliant with the rules but the casino is a scam, you are not exempted; you will be subjected to the same kind of scam they do to others.

But since he is on Fortune Jack I guess that scam incident will likely less to happen. But for encountering an issue provably it cannot give any guarantee that he will not submit again if there will be some cases show up that he need to do KYC again for verification purposes.

So maybe its best for OP to just wait for the casino to ask this so that there's less hassle on his side regarding in this KYC matters and much better for him to gamble only the amount he want to use if he's still interested to gamble in that casino.