Club loyalty or winning bet?

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

There are two things involved in this, we first have the aspect of the club loyalty in which we may all render upon the very club in which we supported, the second is about the bet we are taking, have to do with the money we have and using them to gamble at our own risk for either winning or loosing as long as we achieved having fun, but it will be uncalled for if a gambler is in support of a team or club he already know will be defeated in a game, all in the name of being a fan, the same club will not be responsible for one if anything should happened to him later in life, a real gambler will also not see a big and well performing club on ground to now go after a small upcoming one and still stake on them for winning.

[Dailyscript]

It's my money that is at stake so there is no way am choosing club loyalty over winning. However, it depends on the reason for gambling.  If they are in for fun then they can choose any of the options but when they are in for making lots of money. Not even their love or feeling for their club would concern them.  Most times i gamble if am picking my club i know what would probably happen at the end, so if i think they will loose of course ill choose them to lose but it doesn't mean i do not have passion for my club. Of course, I do want them to win by performance or by luck but deep down i want my bet to be won because that is a means for money.   

[Makus]

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

There should be limitation on your being a follower of a team or a fighter you're not betraying them its just you want to have an opportunity to make money, its just being practical and I'm sure many gamblers or supporters are doing this.

You're on point. Besides what's the need to spend money on a stake that you have absolutely zero believe that the game would come true. Though there are times where you become very much supportive to your team and you make bets even if the odds are high. There are times were I bet against my club, and times were I make bet on other options like the total amount of goals, corner kicks, shot on target.... If I'm not sure of what the result would be based on my prediction. That doesn't mean you have abandoned your club or something else.

[rachael9385]

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

There should be limitation on your being a follower of a team or a fighter you're not betraying them its just you want to have an opportunity to make money, its just being practical and I'm sure many gamblers or supporters are doing this.

You're on point. Besides what's the need to spend money on a stake that you have absolutely zero believe that the game would come true. Though there are times where you become very much supportive to your team and you make bets even if the odds are high. There are times were I bet against my club, and times were I make bet on other options like the total amount of goals, corner kicks, shot on target.... If I'm not sure of what the result would be based on my prediction. That doesn't mean you have abandoned your club or something else.

It's insane to bet on the team you support when you know too well that they won't win or even by any chance draw the game. When you know that the team you support won outsmart the their opponents, you are the fan should change another safer options or don't stake instead. You have to spend your money wisely because even if the fan you support cuts your bet, they will still get paid and you that bets on them will lose, so it's better not to bet on them if you know that they won't perform as expected.

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I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

You know people are used to saying nobody pity their club like Arsenal, I'm one of those fans. I have leave my studies to go watch Arsenal matches many times than I could remembered but I have bet for Arsenal to lose match which they did. Winning and losing bets has nothing to do with your loyalty about the club you support but your true judgement based on what the league is playing, if your club is not good to win, why bet on to win, you can be emotional later after you have stake on your game as fans love.

People that will bet to favour their club been sentimental are not betting in my opinion, they are only putting money to what their mind want and what you want isn't what football does often times but how each team contribution performance is what to be used as judgement.

[Egii Nna]

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

There are many things that are considered in stop gambling and the gamblers because you prefer to have your profit than your team to have their profit. This means you have more priority on yourself than that of the interest of the club you are supporting, while he who says that he would rather lose has more priority of his club than that of himself, which means he is not a real gambler but just gambles for the sake of sport, and mostly his gambling will be base-one football. and it will not be frequently, and that will prevent him from being addicted to gambling.
 
Although he is a real gambler, he will never prefer to lose his game just because of a club he supports, so everyone has his choice and decision to make, so I don’t see anything wrong with it.

[famososMuertos]

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Sports Betting vs Real "Sports Feelings"
:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278818.msg55280967#msg55280967

It's a topic that doesn't need a novel behind it to comment on it: "... the friend of a friend, of a friend, told another friend, that that friend...", it's the never-ending story.

The point is, that in that thread above there is a very good collection of ideas,anyway, no always it's not about money.So as long as there is a balance between the return and the risk of that bet, what's the problem? If you bet on your favorite team...

[livingfree]

I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

[Odusko]

It's my money that is at stake so there is no way am choosing club loyalty over winning. However, it depends on the reason for gambling.  If they are in for fun then they can choose any of the options but when they are in for making lots of money. Not even their love or feeling for their club would concern them.  Most times i gamble if am picking my club i know what would probably happen at the end, so if i think they will loose of course ill choose them to lose but it doesn't mean i do not have passion for my club. Of course, I do want them to win by performance or by luck but deep down i want my bet to be won because that is a means for money.   

If you select you bet based on a club loyalty it then means you are not gambling but just supporting your club and I will say there is no need to stake a bet on such match unless you know that you club will win at all cost which is not always possible to happen in football games because the results are always unpredictable and only the 90 minutes will determine who win and who lose, so if you are a fan of a club, it should be limited to not staking and just watching the match.
But anything that make you want to place a bet on such game, it has gone beyond being a fan to trying to gamble and at this point you shouldn't bring sentiment into your decision making process, best thing to do at this point is to pick the team that will likely win and wait for your luck to see if you win the bet or not, but keep loyalty out of the thought because if you follow such you are risking your money and you may likely lose the money when your club failed to win the match as you expected even though you analysis shows their are weaker but because you are a fan you still selected them to win.

[Crypto Library]

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I don't really understand that what is the connection of gambling with the Club loyalty. Here it appears that the friend you mentioned in the first case is actually stupid because there is no reason for his love for that club to decrease or increase with betting here.
In my case if Arsenal vs Southampton is playing and I am a Southampton supporter then even I am a fan of them I will place my betting on Arsenal because it is very clear that Arsenal will win that match.
The second friend is on the right track I'd say the first friend needs to make an appointment with a psychologist or else he'll have to sell his house and hit the road in a few days to show his loyalty to the club if he doesn't get kicked out the way he's betting.

[RockBell]

It's my money that is at stake so there is no way am choosing club loyalty over winning. However, it depends on the reason for gambling.  If they are in for fun then they can choose any of the options but when they are in for making lots of money. Not even their love or feeling for their club would concern them.  Most times i gamble if am picking my club i know what would probably happen at the end, so if i think they will loose of course ill choose them to lose but it doesn't mean i do not have passion for my club. Of course, I do want them to win by performance or by luck but deep down i want my bet to be won because that is a means for money.   

No matter how much you love your club and no matter how loyal you are you will always want to choose money over the loyalty of your club and I think gambling will offer you something compared to choosing your club over money. we can say we watch football for fun and when it comes to gambling the fun is also there but their money will always be the focal point, the reason why people gamble we all know it already. and no matter how hazy you are to want to make money from gambling you still have to chill out because getting too excited when gambling can make you cross the limit and their things you have to avoid. choosing money over your club is not a bad thing at all, i do know that there will be people who will choose their club over money but since everyone has their choice for everything then they can go ahead to support their club.

[shield132]

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

That case is really funny. I have a friend who supports Messi and in 2012 Fifa World Cup final he wanted Messi to finally win the World Cup but he thought that France was a very strong team and he made a bet on France winning the world cup but deep in heart, he wanted Messi to win with Argentina, his reactions was very funny during the game, he was like a person with bipolar disorder.
Your case is exactly similar of this one but now let's seriously think, if your favourite team wins and you lose money, what's the point? You are not a club owner, you are not a club manager, you are not a relative of the player, you get zero financial profit if your favourite team wins when you have bet on its opponent team winning the match. I think it's better to be rational than a diehard fan but to be fair, I wouldn't bet against my favourite club and if I think they are losing, then I'll simply skip this match in my sportsbet ticket and go in the stadium to watch the game and support them without worrying about winning or losing money.

[Smartvirus]

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I have had to see people that did bet against their teams because, they weren’t playing good football, we’re under performing and not winning games regularly. So this fan gets to bet against his team because, he was almost sure they would lose and some times they do. Of course he cashes in on them but, it doesn’t make you a very good or supportive fan. you’re no fan at all eventually because, your loyalty ensures you stay true to the team.

Looking at the scenario described in the OP, it would be very reckless of any gambler, knowing that your team would loss and still, go ahead to place bet on them to win. That’s not some way to approach gambling. You gamble because you know by some statistics or your gut felling tells you, this could be and not the other way around.

[AmoreJaz]

I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

That's actually good analogy. I am also on the side of winning the bet as you can also root for your favourite team while watching. But when it comes to taking the risk of your own money, better select the odds that you believe has high chance of winning. Do remember, at the end of the day, that team won't care if you lose or win. So better take care of your own business.

[GiftedMAN]

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I'm not a blind follower of any team that I support, and I have done so several times, betting against my favorite because they are a huge underdog and they have no way of winning the game.

There should be limitation on your being a follower of a team or a fighter you're not betraying them its just you want to have an opportunity to make money, its just being practical and I'm sure many gamblers or supporters are doing this.

You're on point. Besides what's the need to spend money on a stake that you have absolutely zero believe that the game would come true. Though there are times where you become very much supportive to your team and you make bets even if the odds are high. There are times were I bet against my club, and times were I make bet on other options like the total amount of goals, corner kicks, shot on target.... If I'm not sure of what the result would be based on my prediction. That doesn't mean you have abandoned your club or something else.

It's insane to bet on the team you support when you know too well that they won't win or even by any chance draw the game. When you know that the team you support won outsmart the their opponents, you are the fan should change another safer options or don't stake instead. You have to spend your money wisely because even if the fan you support cuts your bet, they will still get paid and you that bets on them will lose, so it's better not to bet on them if you know that they won't perform as expected.

You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

You can also make more money by betting against the team that you support when you realize that they are having a bad season and they find it difficult in winning matches if it's another opportunity for you to get against them so that you can make more profit. I remember betting against my team Manchester United when they were having a poor performance last season, I make more profit betting against them especially when the pick is in a single bet.

[_act_]

You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

I do not agree with this. If you have studied both team and see that the chance of the team that is opponent to the club you are a fan of is very high, then bet on the opponent that it would win the match. Betting should not be that you are a fan of a club. Betting is about selecting the matches and odd that you would win. Just as you said in your other post, bet against your club if you think they are going to lose.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If there are such weirdos who are ready to bet on a guaranteed loss, you can simply advise them to give this money to the club they support or buy flags and banners that help fans support their team. Of course, such actions will look stupid. It is good to be a fan of the team, but it will be better to understand the strength and preparation of the team to say that you are a real fan. I would not hesitate to bet against it, perfectly understanding that my team is still too weak to hope for a win.

[GiftedMAN]

You are very correct, I think the best thing for a bettor to do since he or she is a fan of a particular club who is not in good form in a season is to avoid betting on the team, since you are not going to be refunded by the team you support whenever you lose betting on them to win I think you need to choose your money over the support for your club.

I do not agree with this. If you have studied both team and see that the chance of the team that is opponent to the club you are a fan of is very high, then bet on the opponent that it would win the match. Betting should not be that you are a fan of a club. Betting is about selecting the matches and odd that you would win. Just as you said in your other post, bet against your club if you think they are going to lose.

The reason why I said that is because most bettors don't like to bet against the team they support because of the love they have for the team, I witnessed a Chelsea football club fan who had a side bet with someone when Chelsea was losing 1:0 to another team last season. Every one was astonished because of what he did but the dude said he did what he did because of his love for his team Chelsea, I think the best thing is to have a good calculation of the team with the potential winning abilities before placing a bet but then when shouldn't forget the love that is attached to the team we also support.

If there are such weirdos who are ready to bet on a guaranteed loss, you can simply advise them to give this money to the club they support or buy flags and banners that help fans
support their team.

The problem is that they won't even see it as a loss since they are blinded by what they see as the love for their club, in my region I can still point out few numbers of Chelsea fans who do some crazy betting when ever their team is playing against a better opponent I guess I will approach them with the idea you shared right here.

[AliMan]

Sports betting is a very passionate type of gambling. This is because some gamblers are supporters of a team or contestant before even placing bets on them. Some fans are so passionate about a club that they can risk betting on them even when they know that they lack the quality to win the game. They don't care if they win because they want to show their loyalty or support for their favorite clubs or teams.

A few days ago, two friends who were gamblers were discussing, and one of them said that he would be willing to lose a bet that would make him cash out $500 so that the club he supports could win the UEFA Champions League this season. The other one, who is also a fan of the same club, said his friend was stupid. He said he prefers to win the bet and doesn't care if the club wins the Champions League. The other diehard fan told him that he was not loyal to the club and was not worthy to be a fan.

I am also a fan of a club that I love, but I would prefer to win a $500 bet than to see them win the UCL. My loyalty doesn't supersede my quest for gambling wins. What's your view?

I would prefer winning on bets, but it's a case to case basis because being loyal is very hard to become consistent due to changes of decision making. Maybe we can be diehard for few days, but eventually we will see another options on other team that we seem to see capable with our analysis then we will pursue our projections to divert with them. Winning that huge amount could be doubled once there's potential on other team, so loyalty isn't guaranteed when it comes to betting with sports.

[livingfree]

I'll take this comparison with companies and employment.

As an employee, there's no loyal employee that has a long vision to the company and are a typical jobhopper. But there are employees that are loyal to their own companies but they are taken for granted.

Majority if not all of the employees are for the money because that helps them/us to bring food to the table and that's wherever we'd go, that's the motivation. (Others might find this as an odd comparison but that's how my logic is on this topic.)

And as a gambler, money is the motivation as we gamble. Only a very few gamblers that are showing loyalty to the clubs that they are a fan of. But this isn't a big deal whether you gamble for money or for the sake of loyalty, you're the captain of your own ship.

That's actually good analogy. I am also on the side of winning the bet as you can also root for your favourite team while watching. But when it comes to taking the risk of your own money, better select the odds that you believe has high chance of winning. Do remember, at the end of the day, that team won't care if you lose or win. So better take care of your own business.

While we're living for ourselves and we don't live by the teams and clubs that we're supporting. At least by doing some bets depending on what's favorable odds to us, we'll do it.

And for these players and clubs, they're living from us whether we bet or not. They've got a fan base that's building their career and what's important to them is for them to win the match and so as us, what's important for us is to win our bets.

They have their own battle through matches and so do we.