Half of Trump's former cabinet won't endorse Trump

[legiteum]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/trump-cabinet-endorsements/

There are many here in this community that clearly don't keep up with the details of American politics--they only check in on the news once every four years when there's an election, and they only get a few headlines. I get it: as an American, I probably have about the same level of knowledge of foreign elections (viz. for the UK) myself.

But if you are wondering what Americans are actually considering when they are looking at Trump, consider that only about half of Trump's former cabinet members are supporting his election this year: the other half have committed career suicide in order to send a critical message to Americans and the world that Trump is manifestly dangerous to both the US and the rest of the world. This includes Trump's former vice-president, who actively opposes Trump today.

It's also worth noting that about half of the remaining supportive cabinet members, along with Trump's own running mate, have said extremely bad things about Trump in the past, calling him things like "America's Hitler", a "moral disaster", and a "total fraud".

This can't be overstated: these are people Trump hired to hold high positions of power in his previous presidency, and these people who know that, by opposing Trump now, they will never work in politics again and will now be hated by their former colleagues.

Trump promises to make abortion illegal in the United States, which will require an enormous new police state to enforce--something that could easily involve a crackdown on cryptocurrency, as previous expansions of US government power (Prohibition, War on Drugs) have done similar things.

And Trump's promise to deport 5% of the US workforce will disrupt the US economy, sending the country into a recession, thus crashing the price of investments like Bitcoin.

Don't get me wrong, Trump's voters very desperately want to see abortion made illegal, and very desperately want all of those people deported from the USA. They have their reasons, I guess. But try, as a foreigner, to understand that these are the major issues that give rise to votes in the USA, not comparatively puny issues like Bitcoin mining regulations.

[Vod]

Every day you hear news reports that one immigrant wants another immigrant to "go back where they came from". 

The only people that can say that are indigenous.  Everyone else comes from a family of immigrants. 

If the Dump were to win, a lot of industries that rely on cheap (undocumented) labor will die.

[BADecker]

Every day you hear news reports that one immigrant wants another immigrant to "go back where they came from". 

The only people that can say that are indigenous.  Everyone else comes from a family of immigrants. 

If the Dump were to win, a lot of industries that rely on cheap (undocumented) labor will die.

Trump is doing people a favor by getting rid of the slave labor. He is forcing those people to be raised to a better status by making them fight for their rights.

One big thing about illegals. They are only illegal while they are crossing the border. Once they are in, they are people just like everybody else. In court, if they stand unrepresented, as men/women, the Republic takes over against the Democracy.

Let the man or woman that I harmed bring his accusation against me. Let him/her get on the stand under oath or affirmation, so that I can question him/her about the circumstances of the accusation he/she brought against me.

Nobody will come, because nobody was harmed by a simple border crossing. Or show the damage, and prove who was the one who did it.

[Hispo]

I am not okey with certain industries taking advantage of the immigration status of some vulnerable people seeking for a better way to live though. Actually, I have seen some democrat voters to argue that it should be more difficult for employers to violate the law and underpay those who are illegal inmigrants or being monitored so they have a harder time hiring them in the first place.
Though, I know it sounds rather hypocritical talking about ending slave labor while many of our products come from China when there are literal slave camps dedicated for people to manufacture cheap plastic products to be shipped around the world.

It would seems then, that it is okey for cheap/slave labor to exist overseas to keep consumerism going, while that kind of labor is unacceptable on American soil.

[legiteum]

I am not okey with certain industries taking advantage of the immigration status of some vulnerable people seeking for a better way to live though. Actually, I have seen some democrat voters to argue that it should be more difficult for employers to violate the law and underpay those who are illegal inmigrants or being monitored so they have a harder time hiring them in the first place.

Though, I know it sounds rather hypocritical talking about ending slave labor while many of our products come from China when there are literal slave camps dedicated for people to manufacture cheap plastic products to be shipped around the world.

It would seems then, that it is okey for cheap/slave labor to exist overseas to keep consumerism going, while that kind of labor is unacceptable on American soil.

The US has always had a contradictory, complicated view of immigration, and popular sentiment bounces from anti- to pro- immigrant all of the time here over the years.

Republicans talk about employment requirements but they also have major industrial donors themselves, so they never actually do it.

The US treatment of undocumented immigrants, while probably deficient in many ways, still doesn't compare remotely to Chinese slave labor camps. US residents are afforded all of the rights in the US constitution. Chinese laborers (citizen or not) don't have any such thing.

Under Biden, Democrats and Republicans came together to create a critical immigration bill that would have solved a lot of our problems. Trump killed the bill because he wanted this issue to remain divisive for the election.

Democrats are stronger on immigration than Republicans are for this reason: they are trying to solve the actual problems, not playing populist political games.

[BADecker]

Half of Trump's former cabinet won't endorse Trump


Traitors to Trump, to making and keeping America great, and to freedom.

[Saukiyakui]

Trump is lagging behind in terms of public confidence, it's bad

[Die_empty]

Every day you hear news reports that one immigrant wants another immigrant to "go back where they came from".  

The only people that can say that are indigenous.  Everyone else comes from a family of immigrants.  

If the Dump were to win, a lot of industries that rely on cheap (undocumented) labor will die.

Rishi Sunak, the former prime minister of the UK who promoted anti-immigrant policies, is the son of African-born Indians. His parents are immigrants who moved to Southampton in the late 1970s. Suella Braverman, the former Secretary of State for the Home Department who called immigration a hurricane or invasion, is the daughter of Indian immigrants who moved to the UK in the 1960s from Africa. It was because the Indigenous population allowed them to remain and pursue their dreams. Sadly, these established immigrants are now championing anti-immigration policies. America needs to fight drug trafficking and not immigration because they need these workers to cover up for labor shortages.

[OgNasty]

Ask how many of Steve Jobs ex employees how many of them would want to work for him again. Ask the twitter employees that got fired under Elon Musk if they think he’s a good leader or not. Then find an iPhone user or someone driving a Tesla and ask them if they like the product. Being a good leader doesn’t necessarily mean making everyone happy.

[legiteum]

Ask how many of Steve Jobs ex employees how many of them would want to work for him again. Ask the twitter employees that got fired under Elon Musk if they think he’s a good leader or not. Then find an iPhone user or someone driving a Tesla and ask them if they like the product. Being a good leader doesn’t necessarily mean making everyone happy.

Can you name all of the former employees of Steve Jobs' who called him a "f**ing moron" (as the former US Secretary of State under Trump did)?

Can you name any former employee of Jobs' who basically ended their own careers by trying to warn the country about Steve Jobs?

Did any of the former employees of Musk recount him saying, at Arlington National Cemetery, that the soldiers buried there were "suckers" who didn't evade the draft like he did?

Musk? Any other US president? For that matter, anybody?

[TwitchySeal]

Let the man or woman that I harmed bring his accusation against me. Let him/her get on the stand under oath or affirmation, so that I can question him/her about the circumstances of the accusation he/she brought against me.

E. Jean Carroll testifies in Trump lawsuit trial, "I'm here because Donald Trump raped me"

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

Jury finds Trump must pay $83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll

[BADecker]

Let the man or woman that I harmed bring his accusation against me. Let him/her get on the stand under oath or affirmation, so that I can question him/her about the circumstances of the accusation he/she brought against me.

E. Jean Carroll testifies in Trump lawsuit trial, "I'm here because Donald Trump raped me"

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

Jury finds Trump must pay $83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll

You can bet that in this case Trump had attorneys, and that any questioning of Carroll that he personally did with Carroll on the stand was disallowed or modified by the court. Probably the attorneys did all the talking. And probably Trump wasn't really happy with what they said. So, he did it to himself. The judgment may easily have been a lie because of this.

But this topic is about the half of Trump's Cabinet that won't endorse him. And the point is that everybody has enemies and potential enemies among pople who he thinks are his friends... just as we see that Trump has loads of friends among the people who we thought were his enemies... the Black and Hispanic communities.

[TwitchySeal]

Let the man or woman that I harmed bring his accusation against me. Let him/her get on the stand under oath or affirmation, so that I can question him/her about the circumstances of the accusation he/she brought against me.

E. Jean Carroll testifies in Trump lawsuit trial, "I'm here because Donald Trump raped me"

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

Jury finds Trump must pay $83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll

You can bet that in this case Trump had attorneys, and that any questioning of Carroll that he personally did with Carroll on the stand was disallowed or modified by the court. Probably the attorneys did all the talking. And probably Trump wasn't really happy with what they said. So, he did it to himself. The judgment may easily have been a lie because of this.

Ah yes.  Poor Trump wasn't allowed the opportunity to defame E Jean Carrol during his trial for defaming  E Jean Carrol the day after he was found liable by jury for raping E Jean Carrol (ok, ok, we don't know if he used his finger or penis...she couldn't tell for sure)[/quote]

But this topic is about the half of Trump's Cabinet that won't endorse him. And the point is that everybody has enemies and potential enemies among pople who he thinks are his friends... just as we see that Trump has loads of friends among the people who we thought were his enemies... the Black and Hispanic communities.

Counter point:  Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon: all former presidents who ran for a second term.  I don't think any of them had any prominent members of their own party campaign against them in the general election, much less a member of their cabinet....much less half their cabinet and their own vice president.

Bidens had more support from the opposing party in 2020 than any other presidential candidate in history and it appear Kamala will have even more.  

If only Trump could find a way to convince all republicans to put his own personal best interests over the interests of the country.

[BADecker]

^^^ Not all Deep State people realize that they are Deep State. Notice how the ideals of supporting Ukraine are often entrenched among the average citizenry. Same with Trump's cabinet in a lot of things that are essentially anti-American.

These people didn't know that Trump was this way - in favor of America - and they didn't realize that they were against America. The things that Trump did crystalized this in their minds, so that they could formally turn against him, and against the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

All that Trump wants to do is bring freedom to America. The way he would do it would open a lot of countries up to freedom... starting with freedom from the US. After all, forcing American freedom on another country isn't freedom. However, forcing freedom on Ukraine freed a lot of Ukrainians and Russians from having to be alive in this life. And that is what the Deep State is after... death for people of other countries as long as they get their profit.

Trump's former Cabinet? Many anti-freedom people in there.

[TwitchySeal]

^^^ Not all Deep State people realize that they are Deep State. Notice how the ideals of supporting Ukraine are often entrenched among the average citizenry. Same with Trump's cabinet in a lot of things that are essentially anti-American.

These people didn't know that Trump was this way - in favor of America - and they didn't realize that they were against America. The things that Trump did crystalized this in their minds, so that they could formally turn against him, and against the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

All that Trump wants to do is bring freedom to America. The way he would do it would open a lot of countries up to freedom... starting with freedom from the US. After all, forcing American freedom on another country isn't freedom. However, forcing freedom on Ukraine freed a lot of Ukrainians and Russians from having to be alive in this life. And that is what the Deep State is after... death for people of other countries as long as they get their profit.

Trump's former Cabinet? Many anti-freedom people in there.

Hey remember back during the 2016 campaign,  when Trump was heaping praise on Putin and Russia while consistently denying he had any financial interests in Russia saying things like he has "nothing to do with Russia" and "I know nothing about Russia ... I don’t deal there."

Remember how we later found out that in reality he was negotiating Trump World Tower Moscow when somone leaked the letter of intent for the project, which Trump signed on the day of the second Republican debate?

The reason so many Republicans are working to prevent Trump from winning the White House is that there have been so many examples of Trump acting ridiculously corrupt and self serving that most people have already forgotten about Trump Tower Moscow.

The sad part is there would be many more Republicans speaking out against him if it didn't mean having hire security for your family and go into hiding after the Magatards are tricked into believing some ridiculous lie about you.

[Sender78]

The "former part", and to hell with them. The main thing is that the current ones are nearby.

[OgNasty]

Ask how many of Steve Jobs ex employees how many of them would want to work for him again. Ask the twitter employees that got fired under Elon Musk if they think he’s a good leader or not. Then find an iPhone user or someone driving a Tesla and ask them if they like the product. Being a good leader doesn’t necessarily mean making everyone happy.

Can you name all of the former employees of Steve Jobs' who called him a "f**ing moron" (as the former US Secretary of State under Trump did)?

Can you name any former employee of Jobs' who basically ended their own careers by trying to warn the country about Steve Jobs?

Did any of the former employees of Musk recount him saying, at Arlington National Cemetery, that the soldiers buried there were "suckers" who didn't evade the draft like he did?

Musk? Any other US president? For that matter, anybody?

It would probably be easier naming fired employees who HAVEN'T called their boss a f^&*ing moron.  Obviously the swamp people being drained out of the swamp aren't going to have nice things to say.  A lot of people in Trump's administration turned out to be snakes and he dealt with them appropriately.  I think that's why they are trying everything they can to keep him out of office again.  He's got a camp he can trust now, which means he'll be able to get a lot more done with less sabotage and interference.

[legiteum]

It would probably be easier naming fired employees who HAVEN'T called their boss a f^&*ing moron. 

Name one--ONE--former politician who has done this. Name one--ONE--politician who has committed career suicide by warning the USA about the danger of their former boss.

For Trump, you can name hundreds. There has never been anything like this in the history of politics or leadership.

Obviously the swamp people being drained out of the swamp aren't going to have nice things to say.  A lot of people in Trump's administration turned out to be snakes and he dealt with them appropriately.  I think that's why they are trying everything they can to keep him out of office again.  He's got a camp he can trust now, which means he'll be able to get a lot more done with less sabotage and interference.

All of those "snakes" were... hired by Trump and given a position of power in the US government. They all brought hard evidence of dangerously gross incompetence when they left.

And I can absolutely guarantee you that Trump does not have a camp he can trust now--he is already talking about ousting his VP pick. 

Trump is a spoiled little rich kid who inherited a bunch of money and loan guarantees from his daddy, and lost half of it by not even being able to run a real estate business with a few dozen employees. His lawyers famously will not attend a meeting alone with him because they know he will override their advice and then blame from for the outcome, saying he gave them bad advice.

Look, I get the appeal: abortion is a very polarizing issue, and some people will do absolutely anything to make it illegal including electing satan for president. And I get that no amount of danger or incompetence could possibly matter to you because you need to stop "baby murder".

But I just think it's... sad... that you are force to prop up this monster.

[BADecker]

It would probably be easier naming fired employees who HAVEN'T called their boss a f^&*ing moron.

Name one--ONE--former politician who has done this. Name one--ONE--politician who has committed career suicide by warning the USA about the danger of their former boss.

For Trump, you can name hundreds. There has never been anything like this in the history of politics or leadership.

Obviously the swamp people being drained out of the swamp aren't going to have nice things to say.  A lot of people in Trump's administration turned out to be snakes and he dealt with them appropriately.  I think that's why they are trying everything they can to keep him out of office again.  He's got a camp he can trust now, which means he'll be able to get a lot more done with less sabotage and interference.

All of those "snakes" were... hired by Trump and given a position of power in the US government. They all brought hard evidence of dangerously gross incompetence when they left.

And I can absolutely guarantee you that Trump does not have a camp he can trust now--he is already talking about ousting his VP pick.  

Trump is a spoiled little rich kid who inherited a bunch of money and loan guarantees from his daddy, and lost half of it by not even being able to run a real estate business with a few dozen employees. His lawyers famously will not attend a meeting alone with him because they know he will override their advice and then blame from for the outcome, saying he gave them bad advice.

Look, I get the appeal: abortion is a very polarizing issue, and some people will do absolutely anything to make it illegal including electing satan for president. And I get that no amount of danger or incompetence could possibly matter to you because you need to stop "baby murder".

But I just think it's... sad... that you are force to prop up this monster.

I'm kinda enjoying your rant. It might be a bit like Walz, Kamala'a pick for VP. Somebody will say that he's no good for stopping the police in the Minneapolis riots. Others will find some good that he did.

The point is that you are simply ranting. All of Trump's picks have done good and bad here and there. But none of them have killed off millions like the Biden team... by supporting wars around the world with financial help.

So, if you are NOT ranting, then all you are doing is trying to hide the Big Biden evil by ranting about some tiny, might-be evil in Trump and his team. Where does that place you? Part of the Deep State? If so, no wonder you are against Trump. Maybe you'll even be going to prison when he gets elected.

Did you ever notice how the Big Bad Biden team seems to mess with patriots who are trying to inform the public? Here's another one.

Scott Ritter Statement Following FBI Raid on his home - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2BQAYUtLrg

[TwitchySeal]

All of Trump's picks have done good and bad here and there. But none of them have killed off millions like the Biden team...

Maybe in BADeckerville, but in the real world Biden killing off millions is a literal maga fantasy.  I literally don't even know what you're talking about.  Are you trying to blame Biden for the war in Ukraine?  Because that's idiotic on it's own and on top of that the total death count is not close to 1 million let alone millions.  What did happen under Trump was more Americans died from covid than were killed fighting World War 2.  But only after Trump decided to politicize the virus in early 2021 saying it was a democratic hoax that would go away by Spring 2021 like the flu.  Then, once the daily death count was in the thousands, he decided to start encouraging the magatards to protest local governments for following the advice of health experts.