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September 26, 2024, 10:44:02 PM
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You've a great shock absorber buddy, if it was myself I would've cashed that game in because I'll be least pleased if it cuts. Over the weekend A friend of mine lost a ticket with $1.5 to win $320 that we played together.  Before the Chelsea game, it read a cashout of $120 and we staked for the both teams to score. Immediately I saw the cashout, I went for it and wished him well in his wait.

Finally, WestHam was not able to score Chelsea and he lost his stake. He was smiling, but deep down, I'm sure he's pained and regretting his resilience. Myself doesn't like stress. If anything leads me to the the platform and I see a good cashout, I'm going for it without a moment pause.

Congratulations to you on your past win.

I can't blame your friend - after all, 120 is much less than 320, right? It would be interesting to hear your opinion if he had won. I prefer to go all the way, so I wouldn't cash out either. But just in case, I should note that if you want to get out early, then cash out is not a profitable option, making a hedging bet is more profitable.

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September 26, 2024, 11:23:21 PM
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From what I have experienced with gambling, I would say that gambling is never considered fun by a gambler. We need money to gamble and no matter how much money we use to gamble to earn that amount of money, we have a little bit of effort, so we have a different love for money. If gambling results in unplanned loss of money then at some point we ourselves will face a lot of financial loss. I totally agree with you that gambling is fun for us when we win. When we lose money in gambling, we will not be amused, but we will become restless and we will feel resentful. So before every gamble we should make a proper plan and gamble according to that plan.
Even for a gambler who is playing to have fun, they get their fun when they are winning, it's only in almost impossible cases we see a gambler loosing and yet still having fun while loosing, basically almost every Gambler wishes to win at almost every time except for a few times when they loose they become agitated. It's never been the wish of a gambler to loose their games but it's an inevitable experience which causes the gamblers to experience too many moods almost at one because their money is involved and they are loosing it. If a gambler is having wins in a row you se that at that point it turns out a different games and they are in a very different and happy mood from the former.

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September 26, 2024, 11:46:59 PM
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They don't know when their luck will come so that will makes them in trouble if they decide to continue playing gambling with more money. Besides that, they will gets more emotionally when they still playing gambling and not decides to stop their gambling activity because their tension is also increase and will difficult to control. Even if they have good skills on the particular game, that doesn't means they can win easily because they must remember that the situation in the game can change anytime.

They must take care their tension not to become high because that will related many things such as losing more money, losing control, and else. So when they feels that their tension start increase, they can take a deep breath and thinks to stop their gambling activity and leave the casino. They can back to casino anytime after they reduce their tension.
The reality is that, if you bet wit a huge amount, or the amount you have won previously, that will surely create a tension on your part. That’s because you are betting an amount you can’t afford to lose, which is a wrong mindset in gambling. The key here is not to gamble again after you have won a huge amount, leave the casino immediately and go home.

However, some gamblers may want to take advantage thinking that their luck is still there, so they end up losing all the amount that they have won, this is just another trick of casinos.

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September 27, 2024, 01:22:15 AM
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Exactly, I think it is that simple in fact where the real pleasure is when we succeed in achieving a number of victories regardless of your goals in gambling, because after all everyone will always like something called free money. On the other hand you have said about some people who complain about the difficulty of getting a win and I will say that it is no longer a possibility but is indeed a fact considering that gambling is a business that will only benefit the bookies and not the gamblers.

Therefore, this is why gambling is always recommended to only be used as a place of entertainment, none other than because it will never be possible to be used as a place to make money, so don't take gambling too seriously, this is nothing more than a playground when you have the amount of money and time that you can sacrifice.
Actually its not free money because if we do speak about gambling winning then of course it do basically means that you have that put up something or risks something for you to be able to make up some winning on which this do really shows that you are that betting your own money on which means that free money cant suit out into this manner. One of the main reasons on why we do bet because we are really that aiming for a win and it will really be that too impossible that you wont really be that mindful or really that focusing into that. Its true that there might be some situations on which you will really be putting up yourself into a condition that you will really be that too optimistic about into the results into your bets. As for tension then it will really be just that a normal emotion that you will really be able to encounter on the moment or time
that you do make out some bets specially into the moment that you are in torn in between cashing out early or would really be tending out to finish up the game. This is something a situation on which i have been on several times specially on parlay bets on last games or neither last 2 games before hitting up some nasty win. It cant really be removed into someones mind that you will really be pushing it further but there are really some times that your gut feeling or inner voices will really be telling you to cash out early because the next game will be a lose. There are indeed situations that those guts turns out to be true and save up my ass
on getting those winnings but there are moment that it did really give out that kind of regret and disappointment just because the outcome was really that different.

Yes I realize that it seems like I was too brief in saying that winning is "free money" so that it might cause misunderstanding my friend, but maybe I will explain again simply my friend that what I mean by free money is that I focus on the amount of profit you get outside of the amount of capital that you previously faced with two possibilities between the chance of winning or the risk of losing, but I will also say thank you to you for completing and explaining in more detail regarding my too brief words above my friend.

I think most gamblers have the same scenario that can make them feel the tension where as you mentioned like when we are in the last few steps using the parlay method which of course it will be very tense, and actually maybe I would say that it is quite a confusing situation for gamblers to choose to continue or stop the game and cash out the amount of winnings they have got from the previous games, but the point is before you make a decision then make sure that you are ready for all the risks, that's the most important thing.

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September 27, 2024, 02:09:41 AM
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By the way, I often think about the fact that gambling has one strange feature: being an optimist is not very good. Problem gamblers often gamble because they are in an optimistic mood. They hope to win, that luck is around the next corner. And they believe in it so blindly that when another loss follows, they are overcome with rage, because they cannot believe that it happened again. And perhaps gambling is the only place where optimism is not needed. It is better to be realistic and know your chances. And then there will be no disappointments.
It is a certainty that happens to everyone who gambles if they think optimistically, even I think you yourself are sometimes like that including myself admitting that sometimes I do think optimistically and that makes me think that the bets I make can generate profits in the end. In my opinion, thinking like that is not wrong, it is a natural thing, but what must be fixed is not to expect too much from a gamble where the victory is not certain. As you said, blindly believing is what must be prevented, don't let us get trapped by our own thoughts that lead us to a point that is detrimental. The tension that occurs when gambling, whether at the end of the game being played or while gambling, is also natural, but we must be able to manage ourselves with the tension we feel so that we don't lose control.

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September 27, 2024, 02:51:14 AM
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They don't know when their luck will come so that will makes them in trouble if they decide to continue playing gambling with more money. Besides that, they will gets more emotionally when they still playing gambling and not decides to stop their gambling activity because their tension is also increase and will difficult to control. Even if they have good skills on the particular game, that doesn't means they can win easily because they must remember that the situation in the game can change anytime.

They must take care their tension not to become high because that will related many things such as losing more money, losing control, and else. So when they feels that their tension start increase, they can take a deep breath and thinks to stop their gambling activity and leave the casino. They can back to casino anytime after they reduce their tension.
The reality is that, if you bet wit a huge amount, or the amount you have won previously, that will surely create a tension on your part. That’s because you are betting an amount you can’t afford to lose, which is a wrong mindset in gambling. The key here is not to gamble again after you have won a huge amount, leave the casino immediately and go home.

However, some gamblers may want to take advantage thinking that their luck is still there, so they end up losing all the amount that they have won, this is just another trick of casinos.
Well, therefore we must be able to consider everything, for example, if we gamble with a small amount of money allocated, then balance it with our own abilities, because in my opinion, luck that determines victory will not look at the size of the bet we make or the money we allocate. With ourselves who have considered everything, we will be able to accept the results that occur, even though it makes us tense, but at least we have considered everything with the note that we must be able to accept the results that occur without worrying about disappointing results. Basically, we must allocate an amount of money that we are willing to lose because in gambling, losing the money we have is something that is certain to happen, and there is no way to eliminate it either. With players who have lost money that they have previously obtained, I think they are very close to greed.

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September 27, 2024, 04:38:43 AM
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From what I have experienced with gambling, I would say that gambling is never considered fun by a gambler. We need money to gamble and no matter how much money we use to gamble to earn that amount of money, we have a little bit of effort, so we have a different love for money. If gambling results in unplanned loss of money then at some point we ourselves will face a lot of financial loss. I totally agree with you that gambling is fun for us when we win. When we lose money in gambling, we will not be amused, but we will become restless and we will feel resentful. So before every gamble we should make a proper plan and gamble according to that plan.
It is undeniable that victory is what will make us very happy, but in this case we need to realize that the risk of losing in gambling is greater than winning, so we must be able to prepare for it, one of which is by gambling using money that we are ready to lose.
For some people I think gambling will make them happy even though there is a little annoyance when facing defeat. However, the annoyance they feel will not be like that felt by people who aim to win, usually people who come with the aim of winning will make them frustrated when they feel defeated. Unlike people who come with the aim of having fun, there must be annoyance when they feel defeated, but they will be able to enjoy every round or match, that is a pleasure for them.
If we discuss sports betting in terms of gambling, it is clear that the stronger we bet and the weaker our opponent, the less money we will be paid if we win. But if for some reason the strong team loses against that weak opponent then all our money will be lost. Since the money is not safe, the amount of money we bet before placing each bet has to be deducted from our total money because there is no guarantee of that money. In this case gamblers can fix certain amount of money to gamble and if gamblers lose that amount in a day then they have to stop gambling there and plan for next day. If gambling can be done with this plan then there will be no chance of losing extra amount of money by gambling.

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I think the tension on the last game being discussed here is specifically from the parlay bet since last bet on parlay usually hold a lot of weight and pressure to the outcome of overall bet since there’s already an option of guaranteed profit from cashout or keep playing in exchange for higher rewards.

Last bet on normal game usually doesn’t provide a lot of tension because it usually just waste bet however all-in bet when player is already at huge loss can give a tension too but not the same tension on the topic because there’s already a choice to take profit or continue risking.
Whatever the bet name, the last bet will give tension to the gamblers because they really want to win the games. We don't want to see the lose so we expect that the last bet will give some money so we can end our gambling activity with happiness and enjoy the money. But sometimes what we expect can not happen and make us lose the money so we should understand that anything can happen in gambling and it should be better to prepare for that.

When you play on normal gambling game, if that is a last game that you want to play, you will want to see the winning so you really expect you can win. If they use all-in for their bet and lose, their tension will be higher and that could not make stop them to keep playing because they already lose huge money. That will only makes them want to recover their lose before so they will deposit more money to keep playing gambling.

The reality is that, if you bet wit a huge amount, or the amount you have won previously, that will surely create a tension on your part. That’s because you are betting an amount you can’t afford to lose, which is a wrong mindset in gambling. The key here is not to gamble again after you have won a huge amount, leave the casino immediately and go home.

However, some gamblers may want to take advantage thinking that their luck is still there, so they end up losing all the amount that they have won, this is just another trick of casinos.
Yes, that is the reality because I have that experienced before so I don't want to repeat that again. The tension will be high until make us can not realizes that will give a big lose to us. if we bet with huge money, we want to win more than our bet so that will make our tension increase and we will difficult to control.

We can not take advantage of the luck as we don't know if our luck still besides us or already leaves us in the last round. We must understand that we don't have to bet with huge money if we are not ready with anything that can happen. And if you decide to place your last bet, you should not place a huge bet but only place a bet with the amount that you can afford to lose. So you can finish your gambling activity without high tension and you can walk away from the casino easily.

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September 27, 2024, 10:40:05 AM
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By the way, I often think about the fact that gambling has one strange feature: being an optimist is not very good. Problem gamblers often gamble because they are in an optimistic mood. They hope to win, that luck is around the next corner. And they believe in it so blindly that when another loss follows, they are overcome with rage, because they cannot believe that it happened again. And perhaps gambling is the only place where optimism is not needed. It is better to be realistic and know your chances. And then there will be no disappointments.
It is a certainty that happens to everyone who gambles if they think optimistically, even I think you yourself are sometimes like that including myself admitting that sometimes I do think optimistically and that makes me think that the bets I make can generate profits in the end. In my opinion, thinking like that is not wrong, it is a natural thing, but what must be fixed is not to expect too much from a gamble where the victory is not certain. As you said, blindly believing is what must be prevented, don't let us get trapped by our own thoughts that lead us to a point that is detrimental. The tension that occurs when gambling, whether at the end of the game being played or while gambling, is also natural, but we must be able to manage ourselves with the tension we feel so that we don't lose control.

It's just strange that you don't need to be an optimist. It turns out that gambling is a phenomenon where you need to be a realist. You need to know your chances of winning very well. And try not to feel anything. At the same time, everyone knows that gamblers have little chance against the casino, it turns out that you need to go to the casino and not for emotions and not for money.
Some kind of paradox is emerging Smiley

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The tension that I notice I get from gambling is when I mistakenly did not make a significant bet (did not click or instead of bet cancel bet that I have already placed or run out of time to place a bet), my potential bets loses, I did not lose money, but realise that easily would have lost and was a second away from it. That is the moment when my heart starts to beat faster, cheeks starts to turn red. Last bet, all-in did not give me any noticeable feeling, but when I was one step close to losing and by miracle had my money saved, that is when I feel tension and emotions.

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From what I have experienced with gambling, I would say that gambling is never considered fun by a gambler. We need money to gamble and no matter how much money we use to gamble to earn that amount of money, we have a little bit of effort, so we have a different love for money. If gambling results in unplanned loss of money then at some point we ourselves will face a lot of financial loss. I totally agree with you that gambling is fun for us when we win. When we lose money in gambling, we will not be amused, but we will become restless and we will feel resentful. So before every gamble we should make a proper plan and gamble according to that plan.
Even for a gambler who is playing to have fun, they get their fun when they are winning, it's only in almost impossible cases we see a gambler loosing and yet still having fun while loosing, basically almost every Gambler wishes to win at almost every time except for a few times when they loose they become agitated. It's never been the wish of a gambler to loose their games but it's an inevitable experience which causes the gamblers to experience too many moods almost at one because their money is involved and they are loosing it. If a gambler is having wins in a row you se that at that point it turns out a different games and they are in a very different and happy mood from the former.
Naturally nobody likes to lose or loose something that is important like money, so anytime you win you'll become happier and the fun will be complete. If you're looking for a place where you'll be constantly winning then don't gamble because it's basically luck that makes it to happen. I think that people should gamble for the thrill of taking risks, not necessarily to make money because of the obvious house edge, there's no way that you can continuously be winning everything. This is why it's important to gamble with the amount that you can afford to loose so that you wouldn't feel so bad if you lose. If it's a small amount there'll be no much tension on you till the end of the game.











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September 27, 2024, 12:45:40 PM
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The tension that I notice I get from gambling is when I mistakenly did not make a significant bet (did not click or instead of bet cancel bet that I have already placed or run out of time to place a bet), my potential bets loses, I did not lose money, but realise that easily would have lost and was a second away from it. That is the moment when my heart starts to beat faster, cheeks starts to turn red. Last bet, all-in did not give me any noticeable feeling, but when I was one step close to losing and by miracle had my money saved, that is when I feel tension and emotions.

Can clarify this statement because I don’t get what you are trying to express here. Why you feel tension on bets that you place didn’t place successfully or some sort(confusing) compared to all-in bet.

Typically, all-in bet is always the most nerve wrecking bets among all bets unless your bankroll is just a penny when you do all-in but assuming you will bet all your bankroll immediately then this is more intense than the one you are describing.

Can you clarify whether the bet you are describing is a mistake bet which you place significant amount?

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From what I have experienced with gambling, I would say that gambling is never considered fun by a gambler. We need money to gamble and no matter how much money we use to gamble to earn that amount of money, we have a little bit of effort, so we have a different love for money. If gambling results in unplanned loss of money then at some point we ourselves will face a lot of financial loss. I totally agree with you that gambling is fun for us when we win. When we lose money in gambling, we will not be amused, but we will become restless and we will feel resentful. So before every gamble we should make a proper plan and gamble according to that plan.
Even for a gambler who is playing to have fun, they get their fun when they are winning, it's only in almost impossible cases we see a gambler loosing and yet still having fun while loosing, basically almost every Gambler wishes to win at almost every time except for a few times when they loose they become agitated. It's never been the wish of a gambler to loose their games but it's an inevitable experience which causes the gamblers to experience too many moods almost at one because their money is involved and they are loosing it. If a gambler is having wins in a row you se that at that point it turns out a different games and they are in a very different and happy mood from the former.
Naturally nobody likes to lose or loose something that is important like money, so anytime you win you'll become happier and the fun will be complete. If you're looking for a place where you'll be constantly winning then don't gamble because it's basically luck that makes it to happen. I think that people should gamble for the thrill of taking risks, not necessarily to make money because of the obvious house edge, there's no way that you can continuously be winning everything. This is why it's important to gamble with the amount that you can afford to loose so that you wouldn't feel so bad if you lose. If it's a small amount there'll be no much tension on you till the end of the game.
If you tend to gamble for entertainment but gambling depends on your losing or winning but the tendency to earn extra money in the meantime increases, then the fear of losing money starts working in you and you keep losing. In luck-controlled gambling, it is very unusual to win continuously and it is also unusual to lose, but you should control yourself while playing and refrain from over-gambling. When you feel stress while gambling, chances of losing can increase so you should gamble with a combination of particular time and limited amount of money and keep yourself from getting more chances of winning to keep yourself tension free.

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September 27, 2024, 01:22:34 PM
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The tension that I notice I get from gambling is when I mistakenly did not make a significant bet (did not click or instead of bet cancel bet that I have already placed or run out of time to place a bet), my potential bets loses, I did not lose money, but realise that easily would have lost and was a second away from it. That is the moment when my heart starts to beat faster, cheeks starts to turn red. Last bet, all-in did not give me any noticeable feeling, but when I was one step close to losing and by miracle had my money saved, that is when I feel tension and emotions.

Can clarify this statement because I don’t get what you are trying to express here. Why you feel tension on bets that you place didn’t place successfully or some sort(confusing) compared to all-in bet.

Typically, all-in bet is always the most nerve wrecking bets among all bets unless your bankroll is just a penny when you do all-in but assuming you will bet all your bankroll immediately then this is more intense than the one you are describing.

Can you clarify whether the bet you are describing is a mistake bet which you place significant amount?
Well, you are very right because I also did not clearly understand the angle he's coming from really.
I don't understand how he doesn't feel any tension after placing a (maybe an all in) bet, but can only feel tension after he has actually won the game simply because he would have lost it, or perhaps I am so damn confused 😕.

Well, based on general opinion, and according to what op shared, the last minutes of a match you place a bet on is always very intense for the gambler, might not be for the players in the field, but when a gambler is at the verge of losing a huge amount of money, man, the tension is always very high, like, you literally will almost see you heart burst out of your chest, this is mostly very dangerous for people with some kind of health issues as it can lead to high blood pressure with can lead to death.

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I have experienced this numerous times and still don't understand this...
it's it's usually between the first or last game that spoil the parlays maybe because of pressure of how you will start the parlay or how you will end it...maybe just bad luck at play Roll Eyes

But I have come to a conclusion that the reason for this first/last game failure is usually greed!! We are always trying to fatten the odds when we already have enough but still push our luck till nothing is left.

 
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From what I have experienced with gambling, I would say that gambling is never considered fun by a gambler. We need money to gamble and no matter how much money we use to gamble to earn that amount of money, we have a little bit of effort, so we have a different love for money. If gambling results in unplanned loss of money then at some point we ourselves will face a lot of financial loss. I totally agree with you that gambling is fun for us when we win. When we lose money in gambling, we will not be amused, but we will become restless and we will feel resentful. So before every gamble we should make a proper plan and gamble according to that plan.
Even for a gambler who is playing to have fun, they get their fun when they are winning, it's only in almost impossible cases we see a gambler loosing and yet still having fun while loosing, basically almost every Gambler wishes to win at almost every time except for a few times when they loose they become agitated. It's never been the wish of a gambler to loose their games but it's an inevitable experience which causes the gamblers to experience too many moods almost at one because their money is involved and they are loosing it. If a gambler is having wins in a row you se that at that point it turns out a different games and they are in a very different and happy mood from the former.
No a gambler that plays to get fun does have fun whether he is losing or not. Although in fun there is excitement and unhappiness. So when he wins he will feel excited about winning, but when he loses he will be unhappy and try to do better in the next game so that he will win. Now, the difference between gambling for fun and gambling to earn money in terms of mood is that when a gambler is gambling for earning profits his mood when he loses in the game will be sadness and regret. And when he wins it will be the joy of making free money. While gambling for fun is different because there is no room for regrets or sadness. Whether they loss or win at the end of the day they will be comfortable with the outcome.

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September 27, 2024, 03:46:13 PM
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If you tend to gamble for entertainment but gambling depends on your losing or winning but the tendency to earn extra money in the meantime increases, then the fear of losing money starts working in you and you keep losing. In luck-controlled gambling, it is very unusual to win continuously and it is also unusual to lose, but you should control yourself while playing and refrain from over-gambling. When you feel stress while gambling, chances of losing can increase so you should gamble with a combination of particular time and limited amount of money and keep yourself from getting more chances of winning to keep yourself tension free.
That can be more frustration if we lose that money in the last bet so that will make our tension higher without we can control. Stressing in a gambling games is a normal thing that many gamblers face but we should be able to control that stress so we don't lose control. The tension can increase no matter what the gambling games we play and in the beginning, middle, or even in the last game, that can happen.

So what we can do is just still trying to control ourselves and realize that gambling can give any result that we must accept. We should also control our tension not to higher and quitting gambling is the best thing that you can do to prevents the other bad things.

So in @OP case, it is right that the last bet will trigger the tension increase especially when we see the result is not as what we expect and will make us do something whether that is good or bad things.

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The tension that I notice I get from gambling is when I mistakenly did not make a significant bet (did not click or instead of bet cancel bet that I have already placed or run out of time to place a bet), my potential bets loses, I did not lose money, but realise that easily would have lost and was a second away from it. That is the moment when my heart starts to beat faster, cheeks starts to turn red. Last bet, all-in did not give me any noticeable feeling, but when I was one step close to losing and by miracle had my money saved, that is when I feel tension and emotions.

To me it all depend on the amount of money being staked, most time may feel more tensed when they know that the amount they staked is not something can afford to lose . Because they know that getting that amount of money back will be hard , so they will be tensed. But is natural for one to feel tensed when something that is valuable to you is at stake.

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September 27, 2024, 09:34:05 PM
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The tension that I notice I get from gambling is when I mistakenly did not make a significant bet (did not click or instead of bet cancel bet that I have already placed or run out of time to place a bet), my potential bets loses, I did not lose money, but realise that easily would have lost and was a second away from it. That is the moment when my heart starts to beat faster, cheeks starts to turn red. Last bet, all-in did not give me any noticeable feeling, but when I was one step close to losing and by miracle had my money saved, that is when I feel tension and emotions.

To me it all depend on the amount of money being staked, most time may feel more tensed when they know that the amount they staked is not something can afford to lose . Because they know that getting that amount of money back will be hard , so they will be tensed. But is natural for one to feel tensed when something that is valuable to you is at stake.
Its normal for human being to be that get tensed or having that kind of panic whenever they do lose money and now if we do speak about into the situation on which you would really be that having those kind of doubts on which on the time or moment that you've seen that the amount is already that big then you would really be that tempted on cashing it out early but if you are really that just minding
about on having fun and wanting to let that bet to finished then it will really be that normal that there would really be those hesitations on cashing out early and i've been on many times on such situation or condition on where you are really that in torn in between cashing out early or you will really be finishing out the game on which it would really be that up to you on this case.

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September 27, 2024, 09:36:33 PM
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I have experienced this numerous times and still don't understand this...
it's it's usually between the first or last game that spoil the parlays maybe because of pressure of how you will start the parlay or how you will end it...maybe just bad luck at play Roll Eyes

But I have come to a conclusion that the reason for this first/last game failure is usually greed!! We are always trying to fatten the odds when we already have enough but still push our luck till nothing is left.

Nope. It's completely opposite  Cheesy I may be wrong but most players try to reduce the risk and therefore it hits their winnings hard. Most choose the favorite and make a "safe" bet (with such bets they only remove themselves from even a simple doubling) instead of at least taking the favorite's victory with a handicap of -1.
Roughly speaking, to achieve x100 it is much more realistic to make two successful bets with a coefficient of 10.0 than many bets with a coefficient of 1.2.-1.4. It's just mathematics.

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