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November 30, 2024, 02:25:07 AM
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Yeah sometimes we think matches like this a  joke, the strongest team like Lazio played at home but could not win or maybe they think it's safe for the next round so that games like this are not important, Ludogorets Razgrad is the 4th worst team in this competition from 5 matches they lost 3 times and draw once so no one thinks they can draw against Lazio.
I think that's the beauty of football for neutral fans. If it was that easy to predict the results based on the line-up then we don't have to play the game and just run a simulation to decide the champions. I remember Liverpool also lost to Red Star in the UCL a few years ago, no one predicted they'd play badly even though their line ups are quite strong. Heck, people even predicted a Leverkusen vs Liverpool Europa League final last season right?

I guess Slot is right that these players are just human beings. They can play terribly for no reason even against a weak opponent (or can't score goals even though they dominate) and fail to capitalize on a good opportunity to secure points.

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November 30, 2024, 02:52:21 AM
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This victory in the Europa League is indeed quite meaningful for Amorim because apart from him being the new coach at Manchester United, he is also a new hope for Manchester United fans this season because since the beginning of this season Manchester United has often experienced defeat and has lagged behind more than any competitor. Now thanks to the victory at home in the Europa League competition, of course the motivation and enthusiasm of the players have become very good so that they can be more confident when they face Everton again in the Premier League this weekend.
There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.

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November 30, 2024, 03:24:45 AM
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Manchester United back in the frying pan...

I just realized that this United team will keep getting the same results regardless of which manager takes charge, and if change is to happen alot of players will need to be transferred out immediately or it's the same old story of losing!!

Amorim needs to put his foot down and make sure some of these bad seeds leave immediately...already I know Evans is not in his plans after that call out.
I don't agree with you. Claiming that Manchester United are back in the frying pan is incorrect.  The team in under the guidance of Ruben Amorim, one of the most promising young coaches in modern football. Given his track record particularly his success at Sporting CP where he rebuilt the team and achieve an impressive results.

Bro the expression "back in the frying pan"  would have been more meaningful if you watched the game and had saw what was happening...it has nothing to do the accolades Ruben Amorim has received.

You say you dont agree with me fine...you tell me, Rashford scored first for United and it was all celebrations and claiming the  Amorim effect was at play , but before we knew it Bodo was 2 goals ahead and it's at this point I said that...this is not a post reaction post after the game, it was during the game!!! So hope you understand where this came from...but so far so good, Manchester United looks promising with the new pilot.

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November 30, 2024, 03:53:45 AM
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Manchester United back in the frying pan...

I just realized that this United team will keep getting the same results regardless of which manager takes charge, and if change is to happen alot of players will need to be transferred out immediately or it's the same old story of losing!!

Amorim needs to put his foot down and make sure some of these bad seeds leave immediately...already I know Evans is not in his plans after that call out.
I don't agree with you. Claiming that Manchester United are back in the frying pan is incorrect.  The team in under the guidance of Ruben Amorim, one of the most promising young coaches in modern football. Given his track record particularly his success at Sporting CP where he rebuilt the team and achieve an impressive results.

Bro the expression "back in the frying pan"  would have been more meaningful if you watched the game and had saw what was happening...it has nothing to do the accolades Ruben Amorim has received.

You say you dont agree with me fine...you tell me, Rashford scored first for United and it was all celebrations and claiming the  Amorim effect was at play , but before we knew it Bodo was 2 goals ahead and it's at this point I said that...this is not a post reaction post after the game, it was during the game!!! So hope you understand where this came from...but so far so good, Manchester United looks promising with the new pilot.

And you are of course correct because that is what I instantly thought. Maybe the frying pan didn't come to my mind, but now that you say it, it hits the nail quite on the head. They were back in the frying pan and I thought they would lose it or tie the game at best. The fact that Bodo as able to take the lead is bad enough for Manchester United. The win became a sideshow and they couldn't score more than 3 goals, which is embarrassing. With one good attack, Bodo could have tied the game until the final whistle blown. Insane what Manchester United is playing these days.
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November 30, 2024, 04:20:36 AM
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It is about the money and it is pretty easy money for him because yes, there is pressure but he knows that with his character everyone else knows if they attack and blame him, he doesn't care and waits for getting sacked, makes money from it and leaves the country again. Mourinho doesn't have this unlimited will to win titles anymore. He is doing the job because it is paid so well, but in the past he has been doing the job because he wanted nothing but to be the best.
I think you are wrong about Jose Mourinho who only thinks about money, he chose Fenerbahce compared to becoming a coach in one of the Saudi Arabian clubs because he did not want to leave the Europa League, even though if Mourinho wanted to leave the Europa League and choose the Saudi League he would definitely get a bigger salary than what he gets now, last season when he was fired while coaching Roma, Saudi Arabian clubs competed for his signature but he waited for a club that wanted to recruit him in the Europa League and it fell on Fenerbahce so money is not the reason Mourinho is in Fenerbahce.
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November 30, 2024, 04:32:52 AM
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It is about the money and it is pretty easy money for him because yes, there is pressure but he knows that with his character everyone else knows if they attack and blame him, he doesn't care and waits for getting sacked, makes money from it and leaves the country again. Mourinho doesn't have this unlimited will to win titles anymore. He is doing the job because it is paid so well, but in the past he has been doing the job because he wanted nothing but to be the best.
I think you are wrong about Jose Mourinho who only thinks about money, he chose Fenerbahce compared to becoming a coach in one of the Saudi Arabian clubs because he did not want to leave the Europa League, even though if Mourinho wanted to leave the Europa League and choose the Saudi League he would definitely get a bigger salary than what he gets now, last season when he was fired while coaching Roma, Saudi Arabian clubs competed for his signature but he waited for a club that wanted to recruit him in the Europa League and it fell on Fenerbahce so money is not the reason Mourinho is in Fenerbahce.

Fenerbahce is not a Saudi Arabian club. Fenerbahce is a Turkish club. And I think Fenerbahce is a strong enough club. Saudi clubs are not that strong. Fenerbahce has the ability to do well in the Europa League. That is why Mourinho took charge of Fenerbahce.

Also, Fenerbahce management is paying Mourinho higher wages than Roma. From what I heard, Mourinho will earn more than 11 million a year at Fenerbahce. Roma management is probably not interested in spending half of that money on a coach.

I would be happy if Mourinho were to be the coach of a big club. Mourinho takes charge of teams that are not very rich. He does not spend much money on buying players either. That is why Mourinho cannot form a squad with the players he likes.

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November 30, 2024, 06:17:15 AM
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It is about the money and it is pretty easy money for him because yes, there is pressure but he knows that with his character everyone else knows if they attack and blame him, he doesn't care and waits for getting sacked, makes money from it and leaves the country again. Mourinho doesn't have this unlimited will to win titles anymore. He is doing the job because it is paid so well, but in the past he has been doing the job because he wanted nothing but to be the best.
I think you are wrong about Jose Mourinho who only thinks about money, he chose Fenerbahce compared to becoming a coach in one of the Saudi Arabian clubs because he did not want to leave the Europa League, even though if Mourinho wanted to leave the Europa League and choose the Saudi League he would definitely get a bigger salary than what he gets now, last season when he was fired while coaching Roma, Saudi Arabian clubs competed for his signature but he waited for a club that wanted to recruit him in the Europa League and it fell on Fenerbahce so money is not the reason Mourinho is in Fenerbahce.
You are right, if we are talking about money then we will see Mourinho in the Saudi Pro League right now, because I think the teams from there are willing to spend more money than Fenerbahce spends, so Mourinho still wants to be in Europe rather than going to a team outside Europe.
This coach's ambition is still very big, so it is quite certain that he also still has a very high desire to present a title to the team he is currently handling. But in my opinion, it doesn't matter that he actually prioritizes money, because his achievements are also very good, so maybe this is the right time for that.

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November 30, 2024, 07:51:39 AM
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This victory in the Europa League is indeed quite meaningful for Amorim because apart from him being the new coach at Manchester United, he is also a new hope for Manchester United fans this season because since the beginning of this season Manchester United has often experienced defeat and has lagged behind more than any competitor. Now thanks to the victory at home in the Europa League competition, of course the motivation and enthusiasm of the players have become very good so that they can be more confident when they face Everton again in the Premier League this weekend.
There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.

It is natural that Amorim has not been able to maximize his team in the shortest possible time, we can also see that Amorim made several quick rotations in the match against Bodo. In addition, we have not been able to determine his best starting eleven for Amorim. I think there is still a lot that Amorim will do for the next matches, whether it is dismantling his players to optimize the system he is trying to build. At least what the United players did was better than a draw, although the opposing team is not a strong team, but Man United's situation is not out of pressure, especially after the draw against Ipswich in the Premier League. It is not an easy job for Amorim, especially since he does not have many choices other than maximizing the available players. In addition, we also need to remember that Amorim's system is different from the previous coach, so what he does is what he knows. I mean, with the system he wants to try to build for his team. Well, winning the match against Bodo is very important for Amorim and United because it can encourage them to play better in the next match. as for their statistics, not all of them played optimally but some of them did their job very well. next, we'll see whether Manchester United will perform better and more stable. or, they will be constrained again in other matches especially in this Europa League.

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November 30, 2024, 08:20:17 AM
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There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.
After this victory, there were some weaknesses in the Manchester United squad, especially in the defensive area because they were not ready to face attacks from the opponent. It must be admitted that Man United in the Amorim era has not yet performed optimally because he had to go through an adaptation process with the players to find the best strategy. This victory will have a positive impact on the players to achieve victory in the next match, while Amorim must be able to overcome the shortcomings in his squad.
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November 30, 2024, 08:28:11 AM
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It is natural that Amorim has not been able to maximize his team in the shortest possible time, we can also see that Amorim made several quick rotations in the match against Bodo. In addition, we have not been able to determine his best starting eleven for Amorim. I think there is still a lot that Amorim will do for the next matches, whether it is dismantling his players to optimize the system he is trying to build. At least what the United players did was better than a draw, although the opposing team is not a strong team, but Man United's situation is not out of pressure, especially after the draw against Ipswich in the Premier League. It is not an easy job for Amorim, especially since he does not have many choices other than maximizing the available players. In addition, we also need to remember that Amorim's system is different from the previous coach, so what he does is what he knows. I mean, with the system he wants to try to build for his team. Well, winning the match against Bodo is very important for Amorim and United because it can encourage them to play better in the next match. as for their statistics, not all of them played optimally but some of them did their job very well. next, we'll see whether Manchester United will perform better and more stable. or, they will be constrained again in other matches especially in this Europa League.


Amorim is looking at all the players he has in the squad, he is rotating to see and find the main composition that he can apply in the next match. For now he has not found the best composition and that is normal because he has only played 2 matches. I think Amorim's current approach is right, he is looking for players from all the existing squads to be able to apply the strategy he wants. He is also not too hasty and dares to take risks to try all the players he has. Indeed, there will definitely be those who are not satisfied with the 2 matches that have been played, but that is also normal because there will be people who like and dislike things like this.
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November 30, 2024, 08:29:44 AM
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There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.
After this victory, there were some weaknesses in the Manchester United squad, especially in the defensive area because they were not ready to face attacks from the opponent. It must be admitted that Man United in the Amorim era has not yet performed optimally because he had to go through an adaptation process with the players to find the best strategy. This victory will have a positive impact on the players to achieve victory in the next match, while Amorim must be able to overcome the shortcomings in his squad.

Amorim has not been in charge of Manchester United for long. Manchester United have only played two matches since Amorim took charge. Although they failed to win a Premier League match, Manchester United have performed quite well in the Europa League match.

Manchester United's overall condition was very weak. So I think Amorim needs more time to stabilize this team. Manchester United played well and won in the Europa League match. However, United's defense was weak. And this problem cannot be solved very quickly. Amorim needs to be given more time by the Manchester United management.

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November 30, 2024, 08:35:34 AM
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There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.
After this victory, there were some weaknesses in the Manchester United squad, especially in the defensive area because they were not ready to face attacks from the opponent. It must be admitted that Man United in the Amorim era has not yet performed optimally because he had to go through an adaptation process with the players to find the best strategy. This victory will have a positive impact on the players to achieve victory in the next match, while Amorim must be able to overcome the shortcomings in his squad.

I don't think they will be able to adapt that quickly because playing with 3 defenders is something unusual for them, and besides it is not easy to have 2 wingbacks who can work well, that's why Amorim has plans to get new players in that position. Maybe in the meantime, he will continue to experiment and look for anyone who could make a good contribution to his strategy, and when that doesn't satisfy him, it looks like he'll be making a move on the January transfer window.
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November 30, 2024, 08:37:37 AM
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This victory in the Europa League is indeed quite meaningful for Amorim because apart from him being the new coach at Manchester United, he is also a new hope for Manchester United fans this season because since the beginning of this season Manchester United has often experienced defeat and has lagged behind more than any competitor. Now thanks to the victory at home in the Europa League competition, of course the motivation and enthusiasm of the players have become very good so that they can be more confident when they face Everton again in the Premier League this weekend.
There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.
Currently, Manchester united defense is the major problem that they are having since Ten Hag time till date. This is why you see that sharp attackers breakthrough easily and find the back of the net, United should be happy that Onana is always confidently waiting on his spot to stop any ball coming into the goal post. A lot needs to be put together in the team starting from the defense to the strikers.

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November 30, 2024, 11:40:30 AM
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It is about the money and it is pretty easy money for him because yes, there is pressure but he knows that with his character everyone else knows if they attack and blame him, he doesn't care and waits for getting sacked, makes money from it and leaves the country again. Mourinho doesn't have this unlimited will to win titles anymore. He is doing the job because it is paid so well, but in the past he has been doing the job because he wanted nothing but to be the best.
I think you are wrong about Jose Mourinho who only thinks about money, he chose Fenerbahce compared to becoming a coach in one of the Saudi Arabian clubs because he did not want to leave the Europa League, even though if Mourinho wanted to leave the Europa League and choose the Saudi League he would definitely get a bigger salary than what he gets now, last season when he was fired while coaching Roma, Saudi Arabian clubs competed for his signature but he waited for a club that wanted to recruit him in the Europa League and it fell on Fenerbahce so money is not the reason Mourinho is in Fenerbahce.

He can still go to Saudi Arabia and he knows it, but money is a reason for him to have chosen Fenerbahce while at the same time being able to stay in the UEFA competitions. But I think he will one day go to Saudi Arabia and take an additional paycheck for his career. But he appears as if he doesn't like the game as much as he used to like it. He is is focused too many things that happen off the field or he is blaming the referee all the time. He always did for strategic reasons when he was the coach for Real Madrid for example, but it has become pathological.
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November 30, 2024, 04:23:52 PM
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Tottenham Hotspur - 5.00

Manchester United - 6.50

Athletic Bilbao - 7.00

Real Sociedad - 9.00

Lazio - 11.00

Eintracht Frankfurt - 13.00

So the bookmakers' opinions regarding the title remain more or less the same, but some of Tottenham's chances have been distributed in favour of Athletic and Sociedad. It's funny that the favorite is not even in the top 8 now and will probably be forced to play in the preliminary. United, which are the second favorite, are only one point behind and are in 12th place.
In any case, these are random odds, I think we will see the first adequate ones only after the draw takes place.

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November 30, 2024, 04:24:00 PM
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Currently, Manchester united defense is the major problem that they are having since Ten Hag time till date. This is why you see that sharp attackers breakthrough easily and find the back of the net, United should be happy that Onana is always confidently waiting on his spot to stop any ball coming into the goal post. A lot needs to be put together in the team starting from the defense to the strikers.
Well, this is what I understand from the weaknesses that Man United has that will later be fixed by Amorim. Even before I also said that there were several defenders who made the performance of the defensive line bad and I'm sure Amorim already knows who will be replaced with new players.
It would be a waste if Man United had a strong attack line but a defense that is easy to break through. So there is no balance between the front line and the back line which causes the performance to be less than optimal.
And I was also disappointed when De Gea was fired and replaced with Onana who I think is much worse than De Gea.

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November 30, 2024, 05:03:21 PM
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~snip~.
There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.
Currently, Manchester united defense is the major problem that they are having since Ten Hag time till date. This is why you see that sharp attackers breakthrough easily and find the back of the net, United should be happy that Onana is always confidently waiting on his spot to stop any ball coming into the goal post. A lot needs to be put together in the team starting from the defense to the strikers.

Indeed, we must to admit that Manchester United is in a bad condition at the moment although they previously managed to win over bodo/glimt in the UEL, I think the mentality and also the game strategy are their weaknesses in the ten hag era, so I personally don't agree if you say that defense is their current weakness, because the reality is that they have only conceded 13 goals in the league so far, and that is still better than Chelsea, Manchester City and also Newcastle and 1 more goal than Arsenal, but I think Amorim should focus more on improving their attacking line which is currently not too sharp.
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November 30, 2024, 05:48:46 PM
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Mourinho to Saudi would be quite great and I would totally see that becoming a great situation. It's true that he is making a lot of money from getting fired and he has done that quite a few times now, so it's not really all that important for him to win anything at all, at this point if he ever wins anything big, he would just go to a bigger club and just get a fee there instead, and be fired there and get that money. He was considered in other clubs for a while, premier league was considered a place he could go back to, I think it was Everton that considered him? But, it was too much money to get him and they probably decided against it.

All in all, Saudi would solve all his problems, because he would be paid a lot there, and he wouldn't need to get fired, because no other place would pay him that much. He could actually give his best and try hardest there and he wouldn't just cry to losing, he would actually try to get some wins, could be a great deal.


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November 30, 2024, 05:55:54 PM
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This victory in the Europa League is indeed quite meaningful for Amorim because apart from him being the new coach at Manchester United, he is also a new hope for Manchester United fans this season because since the beginning of this season Manchester United has often experienced defeat and has lagged behind more than any competitor. Now thanks to the victory at home in the Europa League competition, of course the motivation and enthusiasm of the players have become very good so that they can be more confident when they face Everton again in the Premier League this weekend.
There is still a lot of work to be done and maybe Amorim still hasn't received much pressure in the two matches that have taken place because they are facing much weaker opponents. If you pay attention, there are still many weaknesses in the defense line because even though they managed to score goals, their defense is so easily passed by opposing players that it doesn't take long for the opponent to score a goal. From the two matches that took place, I saw that there was no good coordination between the defense lines and they even had a lot of difficulty covering the gaps when the opponent started to counterattack.
That's the kind of performance we wanted to see from Manchester United against Bodø/Glimt. Manchester United performed very well in this match and they left the field with a win. Bodø/Glimt's position was above Manchester United but they were not a stronger team than Manchester United and this opportunity was exploited by Manchester United. But with Manchester United's performance throughout the match, we expected some more goals from them, but it didn't happen. Manchester United had more possession throughout the period and their strategy certainly worked. The players under this manager are able to pass the ball successfully and their passing accuracy is much better than under the previous manager.

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November 30, 2024, 06:04:34 PM
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Manchester United back in the frying pan...

I just realized that this United team will keep getting the same results regardless of which manager takes charge, and if change is to happen alot of players will need to be transferred out immediately or it's the same old story of losing!!

Amorim needs to put his foot down and make sure some of these bad seeds leave immediately...already I know Evans is not in his plans after that call out.
I don't agree with you. Claiming that Manchester United are back in the frying pan is incorrect.  The team in under the guidance of Ruben Amorim, one of the most promising young coaches in modern football. Given his track record particularly his success at Sporting CP where he rebuilt the team and achieve an impressive results.

Bro the expression "back in the frying pan"  would have been more meaningful if you watched the game and had saw what was happening...it has nothing to do the accolades Ruben Amorim has received.

You say you dont agree with me fine...you tell me, Rashford scored first for United and it was all celebrations and claiming the  Amorim effect was at play , but before we knew it Bodo was 2 goals ahead and it's at this point I said that...this is not a post reaction post after the game, it was during the game!!! So hope you understand where this came from...but so far so good, Manchester United looks promising with the new pilot.
Yes it was disappointing for them to concede two goals after scoring first. But I give them props for their ability to respond with an equalizer and eventually securing the winning goal in the second half. I think it demonstrated their resilience and determination to win the match. This performance highlights Ruben Amorim influence on the team, as he is gradually instilling a strong winning mentality in his players.
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