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August 07, 2024, 11:28:59 PM
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I was just thinking on how the next European season will look like and how to prepare my gambling activities to be able to make the most of it and a thought ran into my head which is about gambling being banned or illegal in some countries yet matches from the league of such countries are featured by the bookies. Some of such countries, according to Google search, are shown below:



Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden? Is there any legal reason the bookies will feature such matches and can those countries take legal actions against the bookies? Let me know what you think.

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August 07, 2024, 11:33:58 PM
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Gambling is not legal in a country does not means that clubs in the country or the national football team of the country can not be used to bet as long as the person that use it to bet is not living in the restricted country.

Bookies can add any country of their choices but will only restrict people from the countries that gambling is illegal to gamble.

You will see such matches on bookies and you cn bet on it.

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August 07, 2024, 11:44:49 PM
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I don’t think they have any right to take legal action against these bookies - just as the post above said, as long as they don’t offer this services to those within this country then the bookie is free to set up a bet of this country that doesn’t allow gambling and their opponents.

Take for example - America doesn’t allow gambling or ban it from the country - and then a bookie decides to set a bet on who is going to win the next presidential election, do you think this has anything to do with gambling being banned in America? The same thing goes for these countries - the fact that gambling is banned doesn’t mean bookies can’t set up a bet for a match that involves this country, the only time they can take action is when they go ahead and allow people from these countries that don’t allow gambling to use their site to gamble knowingly.

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August 07, 2024, 11:54:57 PM
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Bookies don't care. They don't have to care. Odds providers are third party tools or API platforms that charge commission or work on a subscription model. They are usually based on offshore territories and their end of the business is the most legit as they don't have direct interaction with any retail consumer.

Casinos are the ones doing the dirty work and the heavy lifting. If a casino wants to be licensed in a country, that means if has to follow regulations. Otherwise it might get blocked on national networks and won't be able to advertise legally. Some countries do indeed require matches that bookies feature to give commissions to teams, but that's usually only for their own country. So countries with banned gambling don't have their teams benefit from it at all.

There are some exceptions of course. For instance certain online casinos have sponsored associations on territories where they don't officially operate. Officially is the key word here  Grin


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If its public info whose to stop them recording the game prospect and then the result.   The laws elsewhere are their own concern in processing the gambling odds and outcomes vs whatever restrictions there could be.    Alot of laws banning gambling are religious based, it would be a infinitely long conversation trying to decide if people of varying religions and laws are going to agree.   You have to proceed on the basis of no harm done and business outside that country based on public information is a fairly no harm transaction even if not compliant within that particular country.


Japan for example the gambling is run by the illegal sector of the economy, might be true in Italy and a few countries.   I dont see that as a positive law to suppress open business in favor of criminality but Im not a citizen of those countries and I may mis-understand.  Just as they might not comprehend my perfectly healthy bet on some sports result from a game played in their country, I have no right to complain and neither do they really.

 
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August 08, 2024, 12:08:21 AM
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I think it's considered legal because there are no regulations and institutions in the world that regulate gambling globally.
And the government of those countries cannot do anything either, because sports betting providers and online sportsbooks do not operate in their territory.
Also there is no benefit for them in taking legal action for that matter, they can't ask for taxes, etc either because for countries that consider gambling to be illegal then they can't collect taxes from gambling.

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Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden? Is there any legal reason the bookies will feature such matches and can those countries take legal actions against the bookies? Let me know what you think.

The restrictions or banned of gambling in such countries is only adhered that gambling activities shouldn't be practiced or exercised within their territories but the bookies can always adopt to feature them in the gambling activities and it's not illegal if that is being carried outside that country that it's being prohibited.

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August 08, 2024, 02:10:38 AM
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Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden? Is there any legal reason the bookies will feature such matches and can those countries take legal actions against the bookies? Let me know what you think.

Casinos and betting sites still operate in a gray area of ​​law, so it's tricky to say something is prohibited or permitted when it's something that operates outside a country's legal territory or reach.

However, I go a little in the opposite direction to what most people have commented here....
Even if gambling is carried out in a country where betting is allowed, it should not be done.
Because there are certainly legal prohibitions on using the image or name of a national team, football team or individual athlete.

If someone is making money by using someone's image and name, wouldn't that be illegal and immoral? I think so.
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August 08, 2024, 04:41:12 AM
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I just checked Bet365 since it's one of regulated casino and I found they features Qatar stars league, so it means there's no problem for bookies to features sports from the country where gambling is illegal. I think that the government get a share for allowing their sports to be listed on gambling providers because it's a private property. Most countries don't allow gambling because they don't want to see their citizen become gamblers, but they don't care if other people outside their citizen become gamblers.

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Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden? Is there any legal reason the bookies will feature such matches and can those countries take legal actions against the bookies? Let me know what you think.
It is not only the people in a country that watch the local league. There could be citizens in diaspora who have not been able to shake off the interest in their local league, or an outsider who just has an interest in it. If these people are gamblers and they see an opportunity to gamble and bet on these local games in their countries where they know that gambling is banned they will take the opportunity because there are laws that are local laws that are only valid within the borders of the country and there are other laws that are international laws that are valid worldwide. Gambling laws are examples of local laws that are valid only within the borders of the country and whenever a citizen leaves their country, they become free to gamble if the place they are or going to is a place where gambling is approved.

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August 08, 2024, 05:46:08 AM
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Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden?

The law applies to their country only, so the answer is yes, they can feature the games in a country where gambling is illegal. It's about the people they serve which is only for countries that gambling are accepted, and they don't need a permission from the leauge if they'll add the sport/games on their betting market.
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August 08, 2024, 05:46:50 AM
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Bookies don't care. They don't have to care.
I will say that not that bookies do not care. They will obey regulations but there is no law that stated that they should not provide matches from the prohibited countries. They should not just provide it to the citizens from the prohibited countries just as it has been posted. The countries are not worried and do not care as long as their citizens are unable to gamble on the gambling site.

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August 08, 2024, 05:53:31 AM
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Bookies don't care. They don't have to care.
I will say that not that bookies do not care. They will obey regulations but there is no law that stated that they should not provide matches from the prohibited countries. They should not just provide it to the citizens from the prohibited countries just as it has been posted. The countries are not worried and do not care as long as their citizens are unable to gamble on the gambling site.
They'll just put a prompt on their website that says "This is not available in your country." So, you see, it's based on the country you are living in. Think about this: the NBA is from the US, and gambling is not prohibited there. Yet, there are still countries where people can't bet on NBA games. The reason is that gambling overall is prohibited in those countries, not just a certain game or sport.

There's nothing you can do to prepare for it. If your country declares that all forms of gambling are illegal, you can't do anything but stop or risk evading this prohibition, bearing the risk of getting caught.

 
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August 08, 2024, 06:01:37 AM
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Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden? Is there any legal reason the bookies will feature such matches and can those countries take legal actions against the bookies? Let me know what you think.
Restrictions are territorial and the extension of any restriction by one country into the territory of another country completely intrusive.

Well, in as much as those matches are broadcasted for public view beyond the shores of such country where gambling is banned then bookies has the right of choice to either feature them in their sportsbook or not to provided they are operating on a soil where gambling is legalize.

The ban restriction from the government of that very country is for their citizen alone and foreigners living within their jurisdiction. Where such country would have been said to have a legal right to sue any bookie's that features their country's matches in their sportbook for gambling is when they aren't making broadcast of their matches for public views outside their shores and they also send a caveat that they don't want their country football league games to be featured in any bookie. But unfortunately there's no globally regulatory body for gambling, it's residual on each country to make such call which can't get beyond it's territory.

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August 08, 2024, 06:10:45 AM
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Well gambling may be illegal in that country but the bookies do not care as long as the sport league of that country makes money to the bookies.The bookies may even interfere with that league when someone bets a huge amount of money and the bookies want another result for that game.In the countries named here not many gamblers are interested to bet on such leagues.I have seen most of those leagues though to be available to bet on them in many of the reputable casinos we have.

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August 08, 2024, 06:32:07 AM
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Now my question is if the Bookies have the legal rights to feature matches from these countries where gambling is forbidden? Is there any legal reason the bookies will feature such matches and can those countries take legal actions against the bookies? Let me know what you think.
what's illegal is gambling and not the said sports. For the fact of it, it's not only people from that region that participate in those sports and so you can't stop bookies from including it in the list of games that could be gambled on. If you can take a legal action against bookies should they include those sports then you can as well exit the whole sporting space so no one gets to bet on anything that has to do with your sports.

Most of the countries that are against gambling and even proscribed it as illegal don't do so just because they hate a particular sports, it's mostly based on thier religious beliefs and the fact that some of them might look at it as too addictive for her citizens and that it can deter thier youths concentration for more rewarding activity. But even at that, they are still active in those sports and don't see it as something that's wrong. Take for instance my religion where gambling is against the believe system, they don't agree that a believe should gamble but most of them are lovers of the EPL and all the major European leagues and even goes on to root strongly for thier national teams at the Olympics and every other national tournament. Bookies are business people that operate based on legal terms and because most of them are mostly online based, it's not even reasonable to take up a case against them on matters as this.


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August 08, 2024, 07:33:57 AM
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I don't think that's how it works except if the country's government requested to do such a thing. They have no control over the gambling institutes outside their country. The only ones they can control are the IP in their own country and the people accessing the gambling sites.

If what you said is the case, we will have a lot of countries that we won't be able to bet and do imagine if your country which is legal in gambling is going to play against them. You won't be able to bet for your team because the opponent restricts it from happening. Will that be acceptable?
It's a waste though because they can accept this things and use that gambling tax to level up their economy but I think we have our own opinions when it comes to gambling.

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August 08, 2024, 07:55:15 AM
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I think there is something you are getting mixed up here, now gambling and footballing is not the same thing. Let say footballing is a sport activities which people partakes on including countries I mean almost all the nation involves themselves. But gambling is activity of betting to make profits from it which the chances of winning is not certain or defined, at this point these nation can restrict her citizens from place bet but not other people from different nation.

Whatever their score could be doesn't directly relates to people gambling on them rather it's binding her citizens alone not to gamble hence could restricts some site that feature them only in their country and not other countries. Therefore any bookies that doesn't originates from their (banned) countries are free to feature them in their site but a core citizens aren't permitted to do that (be it gambling or featuring these matches on their sites).

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August 08, 2024, 08:45:26 AM
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An event happens. And bookies are creating odds based on the event. Why are we talking about rights? I think as @danherbias07 says the only issue is about IP rights.

But the bookies don't use any IP rights. They're not showing images of the game, they're not showing the sponsors, or the club images. They are not even using it to gain any marketing or advantage.

Besides, the gambling laws of a country only affects people in their jurisdiction.

Japan gambling is illegal I didn't know this. I thought they have gambling machines all over the country Smiley Pachinko is literally Japanese culture.

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August 09, 2024, 08:48:10 AM
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The ban on gambling in any country doesn't stop bookies from featuring the match on there casino, it is like that because the fact that the bookie featured such game doesn't grant permission to citizens in the country to violate the ban rule. Bookies only do that for the advantage of gamblers in other countries where gambling is legal and because it doesn't cause any harm to the violation of the country's regulations the country can't take any legal action against bookies

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