Does the forum need so much politics?

[examplens]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

[EL MOHA]

First thing I will say is the forum is very large to enough to actually accommodate everything and everyone as long as the forum rules aren’t broken, someone can even go ahead and make it a payment campaign No problem

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

I will say this, this is one thing that have actually this period have make me wonder why should this even be hype this much, I will say this is exactly where Trump want the cryptocurrency space to be, people have started getting behind him due to his juicy promises about the crypto space in the US should he win and this is definitely going to make People takes his side. One thing is no politician or government wants a thing that they can control that’s my advice for both sides

[Poker Player]

I think things are fine as they are. Elections in the USA affect everyone and what makes them different from previous ones is that we have had Kennedy, who obviously is not going to win, and Trump, at the Bitcoin conference in Nashville. That's huge, and it's normal to talk on the forum about it. I even believe that it is little talked about. There is an attempt to convince Kamala that this is not a partisan issue and a Bitcoin reserve is created in the USA whoever wins. That's huge and something we could only dream of years ago.

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

I get the impression that you say that because you don't like the political line taken by the person who created them. I bet if it was one campaign to support Kamala and the other to ridicule Trump you wouldn't have said anything.

Apart from that, according to what you say, all others that do not pay in Bitcoin should also be removed, like Bitlist or Bitcoincleanup.

[AVE5]

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

I've actually read through the opened source campaign threads as complained about, and I've thought about what the signature and wearing of avatar implies and what're we promoting about the Campaign? Are the electoral campaign bodies of these 2 US presidential contestant candidates aware about this campaign as well? Or at what courtesy precisely to have a political discussion to be discussed in a service board.
The campaign actually is not related to Crypto currencies in any way or needed such a high degree of knowledge to consider it run within a limited forum membership ranks such as the Hero and Members ranks.
However, it'd be more interesting if it was a political discussion thread. So if the Op can have a review on those threads and give it some amendments, it'd be of some good terms.

[Majestic-milf]

 The forum does not need so much politics but it has to be discussed. I've not seen any rules where there should be a number of political discussions within this forum and I don't think it's too much because some of these topics are posted in the politics and society section and if it was dropped in the Bitcoin discussion section, it's because there was something related to Bitcoin in it.
 I believe this place is trying for diversity and not restricting it to one particular subject that's why it's about the best social space there is.
About the elections and many threads being created on it, and some even going as far as opening sig campaigns for it, I just feel it's temporary and it will all fade once the elections are over.

[Lucius]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.
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You are not the only one who doesn't like it, but I long ago accepted that a very large number of members of this forum believe that Bitcoin should somehow be centralized (they will say adapted) into existing systems. The fact that Donald Do Not Trust got involved in that story with his populist behavior is obviously a wet dream for most of them - because it is only important that if possible the price goes up at least x10 as a result, and most of them don't care what happens after that anyway.

In addition, some members do not have the slightest regard for the hygiene of the forum, because if we have 5 topics on the subject of US-Trump-BTC in the Bitcoin discussion, why are new ones being opened? Mods should react together with admins and merge everything into one topic, and what has no place in the Bitcoin discussion or any other board should be moved to Politics and Society or Off topic.

[HeRetiK]

While I think that it's not too bad for now I agree that most of these threads belong to the Politics & Society or in some cases maybe the Press board. After all that's what these boards are for.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

If forum allows people to run signature campaigns like volunteers without payments for donations, service reviews after mixers were banned, there is no solid reason to ban these political signature campaigns. Not all forum members care about mixers or non kyc exchanges, same for political events in the US.

I noticed the signature campaign on Donald Trump but I missed the later one on Kamala Harris but by this fact that mindrust runs two campaigns for two Presidential nominees, it's fair enough and he did not skew to any nominee between these two ones.

I did not check his text used for two nominees in Personal Text and Signature Space are truly fitted with these nominees and their propaganda recently. People who want to wear these signatures will have to check these details.

[Plaguedeath]

Have you report the thread to moderators? if you don't have done yet, you will not know if the forum accept it or not. If the thread moved, it means the thread not appropriate to be posted in service section or vice versa.

It's same to Trump, Biden, and Kamala thread in Bitcoin discussion, it doesn't moved to Politics & Society, so the forum think it's appropriate section.

[ranochigo]

I noticed the signature campaign on Donald Trump but I missed the later one on Kamala Harris but by this fact that mindrust runs two campaigns for two Presidential nominees, it's fair enough and he did not skew to any nominee between these two ones.

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

IMO, nothing wrong and that generally the discussions with Trump on Bitcointalk are specific enough and has some sort of connection to Bitcoin. We aren't here to say whose opinions are right or wrong, so I don't think there is any policing to do here.

Similarly, with signature campaigns, the signature space is a free space and each user should be entitled to having the liberty to display whatever they want. I probably wouldn't take too much of an issue with it and just ignore them if they're obnoxious on the forum.

[Lida93]

If am not mistaking, I think this is the first time we are having such political campaigns in the service board, and it been new and free, not everyone will easily come to terms with it. For me I have no issues with the politics my only concern is the choice of words the op chooses to use in a public setting where he needs people to voluntarily gear up  a signature for free he ought to have been modest with his words.

[Moreno233]

There is a section of the forum dedicated for politics and society, even my local board have a section our new mod dedicated for our local politics. This shows that the forum understand the importance of politics and also made provisions for same. Believe it or not, so many things about business and tech including Bitcoin are heavily influenced by politics and US politics is at the core of it. I saw the signature threads you quoted and I just laughed due the author's choice of words and sense of humor, I didn't take it personal even though some people might become too emotional about the posts. Let's loosen up a little and make here as fun as it could possibly be.

[Shishir99]

I understand that you may not like politics (Me either). Probably the forum does not need so much politics as well. But, I believe theymos want to ensure freedom of speech. If some campaign managers can run a signature campaign for a project they like which is free, and If a person can run a signature campaign for his own project to spread awareness and it's free as well, what forbids a person from running a signature campaign for a political party?

If his threads get moved to the politics board, he may ask the admin to move other threads to some other boards. For example, they may ask to move peachbitcoin signature campaign thread to the exchangers board. He is using equal features and getting equal benefits like others. You mentioned that they are minority, does it really matter? if you point finger towards him, it will look like you want to shut his mouth because you do not like politics.

A lot of people in this forum does not like gambling as well. They did not asked to stop promoting casinos. Does the forum need so much Gambling? Probably not. I hope the explanation make sense 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.

I don't know if that's the lowest point this forum's had (I'd say Yobit's campaign with unlimited slots for shitposters would take that spot), and I'm not even sure those campaigns are in bad taste--mindrust seems to be using it as a kind of polling mechanism, but who knows what his true intentions are.

If all of this political discussion could be related to bitcoin I'd have no problem with it, but any time a thread starts out trying to do just that it inevitably devolves into typical flame wars.  That's basically what happens with every single thread on every discussion board on the internet dealing with politics.  And, I would add, this election is probably going to be more important than 2016 when Trump first got elected.  I'm afraid whoever gets elected it's going to throw the country into an even more divisive state.  Trump is a conservative's wet dream, and on the very opposite side of the spectrum is Harris, who dampens the bed sheets of liberals who'd like nothing more than to have a black woman as president.

So while I don't care for or participate much in all of this crap, it's kind of hard to stop everyone from talking about it.  But I've said it before, this will (hopefully) die down after the election.

[coin-investor]

The election is seasonal, and we are talking about an election for the presidency of one of the most powerful countries on this planet. Since Trump keeps mentioning that he is advocating the use and adoption of Bitcoin, this makes topics or signature campaign about US politics more interesting.

You can either report it or ignore it. I don't find it annoying because it will eventually die down after the election, and this forum has been very accommodating to many topics and issues; I have to stumble on this forum some world issues that I have not found on mainstream media.

[NeuroticFish]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump

Well, US elections do affect, at least indirectly, a big part of the world.
This being said, even if I am far from US, I am still somewhat interested in what's going to happen.
Even more, with bitcoin being used more or less as a weapon of the campaign, this can be seen as "of interest" for the forum.

However, I do agree that there is too much talk on the topic and I also agree that sig campaigns for politics are... at least odd in here.
But yeah, freedom of speech makes this forum a good nest for all kinds of propaganda too, including political one (and I think that 2024 US elections propaganda is not even the first one).

[Hispo]

I would not give it much importance for now, to be honest, after all we are going though the most important phases of a presidential campaign going on in the United States, it is normal people feel like talking about it l, sharing news and commentary about Trump and his reaction to his new female rival in this race to the White house. I could assure you, once the election is over and we give some time for the dust to settle all this constant converstion about Trump and Kamala Harris will find an end and eveything will be back to the normal (and more moderated) amount of politics discussion here in the forum, it os rsther a seasonal thing.
If you enjoy geopolitics it would be a good chance to check on the politics & society section of the forum to have some friendly debate, otherwise, just try to ignore all of it until it is done by November.

[mindrust]

I thought it wouldn’t be fair if we only had a campaign for Trump. So I have created one for Kamala.

I think my campaigns brought some life to the forum. People have more reason to make posts now.

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

[suchmoon]

Most of that shit should be contained in the P&S board. Maybe one or two threads in speculation ("how would electing XYZ affect Bitcoin")... but this trollfuckery in other boards, like the signature "campaigns" that don't actually pay and are there just to troll outside of P&S, should not be allowed IMO. But then again, mods here aren't very keen on judging intent when it doesn't suit them.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

I did.

IMO, nothing wrong and that generally the discussions with Trump on Bitcointalk are specific enough and has some sort of connection to Bitcoin. We aren't here to say whose opinions are right or wrong, so I don't think there is any policing to do here.

Similarly, with signature campaigns, the signature space is a free space and each user should be entitled to having the liberty to display whatever they want. I probably wouldn't take too much of an issue with it and just ignore them if they're obnoxious on the forum.

I don't say that it's wrong to support Trump or wrong to support Harris by wearing a signature campaign. I only wonder that does personal texts and description information given in these designs are correct for those nominees.

I tried to search a personal text for Kamala Harris, and wondered did she said so, but did not find a match result. Honestly I knew she is keen on socialism, communism but not sure what she said and I thought personal text should be matched with her saying.