Does the forum need so much politics?

[mindrust]

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

I did.

IMO, nothing wrong and that generally the discussions with Trump on Bitcointalk are specific enough and has some sort of connection to Bitcoin. We aren't here to say whose opinions are right or wrong, so I don't think there is any policing to do here.

Similarly, with signature campaigns, the signature space is a free space and each user should be entitled to having the liberty to display whatever they want. I probably wouldn't take too much of an issue with it and just ignore them if they're obnoxious on the forum.

I don't say that it's wrong to support Trump or wrong to support Harris by wearing a signature campaign. I only wonder that does personal texts and description information given in these designs are correct for those nominees.

I tried to search a personal text for Kamala Harris, and wondered did she said so, but did not find a match result. Honestly I knew she is keen on socialism, communism but not sure what she said and I thought personal text should be matched with her saying.

She didn’t say it and I didn’t put her name after the quote because of that. It is an anonymous quote.

However, she is definitely a commie.

https://x.com/jpgechele/status/1822407149437206656

And there are many communism lovers around so they will feel welcome there.

[KingsDen]

I have been waiting to read from you, the Op. Good you said something.

I thought it wouldn’t be fair if we only had a campaign for Trump. So I have created one for Kamala.

This should be to show that you are apolitical or you aren't supporting any particular candidate.

I think my campaigns brought some life to the forum. People have more reason to make posts now.

I also think that whether or not you created the thread, people will not cease to talk about America politics till the end of this year (even after the election).

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

Cool, anything for traffic but you can move the campaigns to the P&S board or the altcoins service board. If every country begins to create campaign for all their presidential candidates during elections, here will turn to political talk.org

[ranochigo]

I did.

Then you should probably know the distinct difference in the tone for both candidates in both of the campaigns. It is obvious that there is a clear bias for one over another. It is in no way, a balanced and clear perspective for either of the candidates or else I would expect a little bit more factual and nuanced perspective in those signatures.

Hint: Mans pretty fond of DJT

I don't say that it's wrong to support Trump or wrong to support Harris by wearing a signature campaign. I only wonder that does personal texts and description information given in these designs are correct for those nominees.

That is not directed to your reply.

I tried to search a personal text for Kamala Harris, and wondered did she said so, but did not find a match result. Honestly I knew she is keen on socialism, communism but not sure what she said and I thought personal text should be matched with her saying.

I'm not here to talk about politics. We're not here to police for fake news or whatever, I believe that the onus should be on the users to verify whether she's (and he for the matter) into socialism, communism, or whatever. Again, my definition of communism might be slightly different from his so I can't really be bothered to argue that.

Doubt that it would actually make a difference in the results but the signature and the narratives does make for a pretty good laugh.

[GxSTxV]

I don’t think moving the two topics to the offtopic section or even keeping them in the services section will ever make much difference as long as they don’t spark a huge campaign of haters or attract shitposters to wear the signature for any reason. However, his idea could be improved with a better design that involves Bitcoin or crypto. Clearly he is very supportive of Trump to the point of mocking the other side and as long as the forum allows freedom of speech, anyone with a different political view could also create similar signature campaigns to mock Trump or support Kamala.
Hopefully, this doesn’t lead In creating stupid conflicts because of political reasons, so let’s focus on supporting what truly deserves it.

[Sandra_hakeem]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

As much as that doesn't sit well with me, or any other user in here, I didn't just have to complain or make an objection... I'm glad that you created this thread to help others in expressing their outright feelings.

Its becoming a bit challenging that the situation in the US has in one, affected everyone regardless.. But, we all know how the Democrats operate just right after they're being swon in

[Akbarkoe]

The election is seasonal, and we are talking about an election for the presidency of one of the most powerful countries on this planet. Since Trump keeps mentioning that he is advocating the use and adoption of Bitcoin, this makes topics or signature campaign about US politics more interesting.

You can either report it or ignore it. I don't find it annoying because it will eventually die down after the election, and this forum has been very accommodating to many topics and issues; I have to stumble on this forum some world issues that I have not found on mainstream media.

This has a lot to do with Bitcoin in the US government contestation in the next leadership, of course I think as the largest bitcoin forum here it is a natural thing for someone to do on the forum, yes even though we know that US citizens on this forum are a minority, but indeed the US as a superpower being the center of the world economy makes its own attraction in its political contestation because it will affect the market from every policy carried out in the US.

I myself don't have a problem with the signature campaign, because it's not something that disgusts me, because I also have an interest in political policy analysis, so this signature campaign doesn't bother me.
For people who don't like it, just ignore it and don't make a fuss about it, because we are free here and the forum is not created for any particular party.

[Quickseller]

I noticed the signature campaign on Donald Trump but I missed the later one on Kamala Harris but by this fact that mindrust runs two campaigns for two Presidential nominees, it's fair enough and he did not skew to any nominee between these two ones.

Did you read the thread for the Kamala Harris thread?

I read the thread, and I think it is probably consistent with Harris. I do agree that there does seem to be a conflict of interest for one person to be running competing political signature campaigns, but I don't think there is any rule against it. It is also very well possible that Harris simply decided to copy Trump's strategy of advertising on the forum, and didn't bother to change even any of the minor details.

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

Trump has made bitcoin regulation a campaign issue. He wants less of it, and also wants to provide market incentives for more of the crypto industry to move to the US. So the outcome of the election is inherently relevant to bitcoin.

[examplens]

I don't know if that's the lowest point this forum's had (I'd say Yobit's campaign with unlimited slots for shitposters would take that spot), and I'm not even sure those campaigns are in bad taste--mindrust seems to be using it as a kind of polling mechanism, but who knows what his true intentions are.

Look at the "campaign" thread and it will be clearer to you why I think it is going to the lowest point. For example requirements:

• Requirements

Only LGBT i + Hero & Legendary accounts can wear these signatures. No masculinity and pure XX chromosome owners allowed.

Or, for example, avatars, everything turns into a meme forum

• Avatars

Politics in itself is cancerous, full of hypocrisy, lies and fraud. Bringing it to the forum can only have a negative effect and degrade its quality.

Trump has made bitcoin regulation a campaign issue. He wants less of it, and also wants to provide market incentives for more of the crypto industry to move to the US. So the outcome of the election is inherently relevant to bitcoin.

He is an ordinary clown who has recognized the model of how to attract the attention of a large number of people. His goal is only personal promotion. Unfortunately, it's obvious that he succeeds.

[mindrust]

I give up. I am supporting Kamala for the next unknown number of days, maybe months. You won. For now.

May I join the Commie club now?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't know if that's the lowest point this forum's had (I'd say Yobit's campaign with unlimited slots for shitposters would take that spot), and I'm not even sure those campaigns are in bad taste--mindrust seems to be using it as a kind of polling mechanism, but who knows what his true intentions are.

Look at the "campaign" thread and it will be clearer to you why I think it is going to the lowest point. For example requirements:

Yeah, I looked into it in more detail after I made my post (of course), but I see these campaigns more as parody than anything else.  I also understand why some might find what's in that thread to be in bad taste, but it slid right off me so I guess if you're offended by, or sensitive to, that sort of thing (whether it's a parody or not) you'd pick up on it much more readily.

And by "you" I don't mean you, examplens.  I'm using it in the general sense. 

See?  This is why this election is just going to divide us further no matter the outcome.  That's as far as I'm going to stray off-topic.  If I may paraphrase Rodney King here, "Can't we all just get along?".  Seriously.

[EarnOnVictor]

I agree with your position. Although this forum is a free speech forum, we should use our right senses as well, especially when it comes to childish-kind of behaviour. Political discussions are always welcome in virtually all sections of the forum if the topic agrees to it or the discussion shifts to it.

But it is certainly bigotry to open a signature campaign in the service section to support one candidate and mock the other. As you can see by the low participation under the thread, which means people are even less interested in the childish style.

Those who believe Trump is a Bitcoin guy are just being fooled, talk is cheap.

[Plaguedeath]

Now both of the thread has been moved to off topic, regardless it's moved by the creator or the moderators, but still... case closed.

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

Thank you for your dedication mate, that's why there are few new campaigns comes up because your signature campaign make them want to advertise in this forum.

[LoyceV]

they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

Just report the topics, see if Mods agree. I think it doesn't belong in Services. Not even in Altcoins.

Now both of the thread has been moved to off topic, regardless it's moved by the creator or the moderators, but still... case closed.

Guess I'm late to the party

[mindrust]

Guess I'm late to the party

Why do you think so? We are still accepting participants and your signature space is free as I see.

Make your pick:

Kamala vs Trump

[shield132]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

I get your point but you have to consider that this is an international forum and people all around the world are very political. For example, I live far from the USA but hear talk about US politics daily from family members to neighbours to coworkers.

The result of the presidential elections of the United States will affect the whole world and at the same time, it will affect Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, so there is lots of discussion about Politics because of their influence on crypto and the recent things that are happening, including attack on mixers, ETF approvals, crypto taxes, mining regulations and etc...

One presidential candidate even states that he will buy 500 Bitcoin every day for years, Trump wants the rest of the Bitcoins to be mined in the United States. Bitcoin became part of presidential elections, so you know...

Btw I agree with you on political signature campaigns.

[Lucius]

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See?  This is why this election is just going to divide us further no matter the outcome.  That's as far as I'm going to stray off-topic.  If I may paraphrase Rodney King here, "Can't we all just get along?".  Seriously.

The old saying goes "divide et impera", and if someone had told me ten years ago that we would be divided like this on the forum over who will be the next president of the US, I would have told him that he didn't know what he was talking about. Unfortunately, what has been discussed for years has been confirmed, namely that few care what will happen to Bitcoin as a technology, but what will happen to Bitcoin only when it comes to price.

One of the important effects of politics is that it divides people, because when they are divided, then they are weak and easier to manipulate - on the example of the US, we see how the Democrats and Republicans do it skillfully to the extent that the people are divided to the extent that they are ready to kill the politician opponents only because of their political beliefs.

[LoyceV]

Make your pick:
Kamala vs Trump

You couldn't pick a worse topic to promote this in. I'm not voting for either one of them.

[examplens]

I get your point but you have to consider that this is an international forum and people all around the world are very political. For example, I live far from the USA but hear talk about US politics daily from family members to neighbours to coworkers.

I am quite convinced that there are many forums on the Internet that deal with politics. After all, this is a Bitcoin forum (and cryptocurrencies in general) and I see no reason for all of us to drag ourselves into offtopic political discussions.
A large number of members have a dog or once had one, does this mean that we should litter the forum with breeders, the issue of breeds... All in the name of Dogecoin, and it is logical to discuss dogs here.

note: dogs as an example of a parallel with politicians is completely coincidental

[AB de Royse777]

These campaigns always struck me as fun. I don't see anything wrong.

[HeRetiK]

One of the important effects of politics is that it divides people, because when they are divided, then they are weak and easier to manipulate - on the example of the US, we see how the Democrats and Republicans do it skillfully to the extent that the people are divided to the extent that they are ready to kill the politician opponents only because of their political beliefs.

Agreed! Seeing how the division reached an extend where even a conservative teenager would try to assassinate the presidential candidate of his own party was pretty sobering.

I feel like the USA's two-party system further aggrevates this issue though. Not like it's any of my business but they should really work towards getting rid of the Electoral College.

I am quite convinced that there are many forums on the Internet that deal with politics. After all, this is a Bitcoin forum (and cryptocurrencies in general) and I see no reason for all of us to drag ourselves into offtopic political discussions.

I second that. Some of my favourite online communities have been strictly apolitical. Nothing wrong with speaking your mind, but I don't think I've ever seen an online community become enriched by engrossing themselves into politics.

A large number of members have a dog or once had one, does this mean that we should litter the forum with breeders, the issue of breeds... All in the name of Dogecoin, and it is logical to discuss dogs here.

I'd much rather talk about dogs than about politics.