[Suspended] paying 5000 USD a casino executive to see my provably fair system

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Ordinarily, this is perhaps, a very good offer, but then, I don't own or run any casino, so, I have no idea how the owners or those who manage big casinos will view this offer, but all the same, I am wishing you good luck on this.

And I did like to point out that aside posting this here, I think it's also very important that get the official business emails of the casinos you have in mind, and forward this offer to them, because not every managers of casinos (specially the really big ones) have the time to read through this forum, specially discussions on this board.
So, I feel sending email with this offer may turn out more productive for you than just having it posted as a thread here.

it would have been better if the Op dropped the contact information for the interested parties to contact him and I think the easiest way to contact someone here is the telegram social media. And it is good for him to publish is here. And as seoincorporation said, interested people will also like to test the probably fair system before signing the agreement with him. So he has to work on the Op small again for easy access and communication.

Well, whether he drops a contact information on this thread of not, it really makes no difference to me, I way just saying what I would have done if I was him.
Aside creating this thread and providing a contact information, there is also nothing wrong in what I suggested, in fact, I see it as an added advantage for this to get the business proposal email address of the supposed big casinos he is anticipating to work with, or sell his whatever provably fire system to, fire them a well professionally written email message, explaining in clear details how the system works, I believe this move will even turn out to be more effective than just making a few lines of post here and dropping a contact information, big business people I know of usually don't have time to contact people they don't know, specially when they are not sure of or if what that person has to offer us worth their time.

$2500 is a very small amount of money when we compare it to what op starts to benefit if his system gets picked by one of this big casinos, and don't even think that any of this big casino will be moved by op's offer of paying this amount to have the casino see and or possibly test his provably fair system, $2500 is chicken change to them.

[Haunebu]

Seems like this is a legitimate offer all things considered, but it's not going to be easy for big casino executives to notice your offer op since they usually aren't very active in this forum for obvious reasons.

Seems like Royse777 already got in touch with you who knows several big casino executives implying that you are in luck op since he can get in touch with them even if they aren't really active in this forum.

[seoincorporation]

I was thinking about this topic  and I think op should implement his provably fair system on some demo casino. That way would be easier to explain to casinos how does the New provably fair system works.

I could help on this, I have a casino software with 4 games, if you want send me a PM and we ca find the way to works together.

[OgNasty]

I was thinking about this topic  and I think op should implement his provably fair system on some demo casino. That way would be easier to explain to casinos how does the New provably fair system works.

I could help on this, I have a casino software with 4 games, if you want send me a PM and we ca find the way to works together.

This is not a bad idea. OP has shown a willingness to put their money where their mouth is (although without funds being escrowed it is just words). I doubt many large casino executives care about $2500 though. That may be a big amount of money for you or I, but to someone with millions coming in, it honestly probably isn’t an incentive. Going at it along and building a player base might be the best way forward.

[Stalker22]

I was thinking about this topic  and I think op should implement his provably fair system on some demo casino. That way would be easier to explain to casinos how does the New provably fair system works.

I could help on this, I have a casino software with 4 games, if you want send me a PM and we ca find the way to works together.

This is not a bad idea. OP has shown a willingness to put their money where their mouth is (although without funds being escrowed it is just words). I doubt many large casino executives care about $2500 though. That may be a big amount of money for you or I, but to someone with millions coming in, it honestly probably isn’t an incentive. Going at it along and building a player base might be the best way forward.

I think this was already suggested to the OP at some point, but, if I understood correctly, his main fear is that someone will steal his idea once he sees it in action, because it is supposedly so simple and straightforward. So its a classic catch-22 situation. he doesnt want to show or explain his idea, and he wont get any serious offers because he has nothing to show.

To get the ball rolling, he needs to demonstrate his concept, but hes afraid to do so for fear of intellectual property theft. Maybe a compromise could be reached where he shares a simplified version of the idea, without revealing the core mechanics.

[Potato Chips]

We have @SirJohnVonSlotty who's deep in the industry but he hasn't been online recently.

So, I've been in this industry for a while now, I'm part of a team that operates several brands, and have also worked within other operations, including MGA, UKGC and Curacao licensed brands. I would say that I know the ins and outs of most of the operations out there, including some high end competitors, and I would love to share any insights or answer any burning questions that someone outside of the industry has. I'm not the owner of the casino though, so I'll not be able to answer questions targeted towards that area of the business, but I can try to shed light on anything else.

I can cover almost anything, game selections, bonus methods, VIP players, troubles with the law, license structure. You can ask anything, and if the questions are really interesting, I'll include them in this post as an edit.

That's from his AMA thread btw. Perhaps you can try to leave a question if they can take a look -- assuming it's in their area of expertise. Technically, the thread is called ask me anything lol so ig it should be fine or maybe ask an advise how to gain connections.

You'll have to wait once he's online though. But afaik the AMA thread is kept open.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Hello,

It’s been a while I claimed to have discovered a new way for implementing provably fair system, that is both easier for the player to understand and to verify. I believe my system solves big problems, the biggest one being the doubt a high rollers can have about being cheated, especially for their biggest bets.

The initial discussion is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464581.msg62748057#msg62748057

Now, I am deciding I am paying the casino who is interested 2500 dollars (upfront) for the time that it could spend to draft our agreement. Afterwards, the casino gets a free look at my system, and then either decides to implement it, in which case our agreement should be executed, either they decide not, and nothing binds them further.

My wallet, that has 0 USDT now, will receive 2503 USDT at most by tomorrow: https://etherscan.io/address/0x2fbfb67dcb312faaf94788891a4c1a545dc5cf5b#tokentxns

No contract is required to pay that 2500 dollars, I’ll just keep it on trust. No strings attached. Although, before doing so, I’d like to only exchange a few words about what type of agreement we should have beforehand, because it wouldn’t be possible for me to send 2500 USD to everyone, and discover later that they wouldn’t give me a penny for using my system.

That’s it, don’t hesitate to contact me by pm or post here for any questions. Have a nice week.

I'm not sure that this is your best approach, the industry is volatile and even *I* don't trust crypto casino owners without any contracts in place, now imagine why you shouldn't.

If you think you have a new mechanic for verifying the fairness of crypto casino games, before doing your outreach I would make sure that;
#1. I have an environment set up for someone to test it out easily, e.g. a demo online casino under a password where they can play and verify
#2. I have everything patented, branded and trademarked in the countries where casinos get their licenses (e.g. Curacao)
#3. I have a business model in mind, e.g. licensing the method.

Additionally:
a.) If I would need money, I would target VIP players tired of the scams within the industry, so that you have the emotional aspect.
b.) If I would need feedback and clients, I would target slot providers since they are the ones implementing all the security features.

[AussieMat]

I was thinking about this topic  and I think op should implement his provably fair system on some demo casino. That way would be easier to explain to casinos how does the New provably fair system works.

I could help on this, I have a casino software with 4 games, if you want send me a PM and we ca find the way to works together.

This is not a bad idea. OP has shown a willingness to put their money where their mouth is (although without funds being escrowed it is just words). I doubt many large casino executives care about $2500 though. That may be a big amount of money for you or I, but to someone with millions coming in, it honestly probably isn’t an incentive. Going at it along and building a player base might be the best way forward.

I wouldn’t do this except if it’s the only way, but I hope this works though, @Stalker22 answered on this. The 2500 is not to impress the executives, it’s to show seriousness and to distinguish myself from the masses. What average person is willing to throw 2500 just to get someone to draft an agreement with no further commitment if the product is not used?

Pretty interesting and useful posts in the last day! @Stalker22, you are correct on everything you said, you’ve carefully followed my thread!

I'm not sure that this is your best approach, the industry is volatile and even *I* don't trust crypto casino owners without any contracts in place, now imagine why you shouldn't.

If you think you have a new mechanic for verifying the fairness of crypto casino games, before doing your outreach I would make sure that;
#1. I have an environment set up for someone to test it out easily, e.g. a demo online casino under a password where they can play and verify
#2. I have everything patented, branded and trademarked in the countries where casinos get their licenses (e.g. Curacao)
#3. I have a business model in mind, e.g. licensing the method.

Additionally:
a.) If I would need money, I would target VIP players tired of the scams within the industry, so that you have the emotional aspect.
b.) If I would need feedback and clients, I would target slot providers since they are the ones implementing all the security features.

I’ve consulted many lawyers in my country, I’ve searched it and thought about it big and large, and I can’t do #2, so #1 falls apart and everything else. No one should know about my system without prior agreement. I doubt in Curaçao it would be different, but if the casino somehow manages to patent it I’ll get additional benefits though.

« a) » is the problem my system solves. The respected casinos correctly implementing the provably fair games do not distinguish themselves very clearly from those who don’t. I know for a fact that if you’re careful enough you can’t be cheated on Stake, but that requires coding knowledge and some work to understand the system. I’ve also checked Rollbit, and that was not the case, since they were showing game hash only after result, I’m not sure if they fixed this since I checked, but you get the point.

And no problem I decide I am working on trust, if the casino takes the 2500 without drafting the agreement, I would be mad but wouldn’t lose sleep over it, and will start again! This would be very unlikely though since I am expecting large offers small casinos won’t be likely to make, and no big casino would damage their reputation for 2500.

[paxmao]

Hello,

It’s been a while I claimed to have discovered a new way for implementing provably fair system, that is both easier for the player to understand and to verify. I believe my system solves big problems, the biggest one being the doubt a high rollers can have about being cheated, especially for their biggest bets.

The initial discussion is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464581.msg62748057#msg62748057

Now, I am deciding I am paying the casino who is interested 2500 dollars (upfront) for the time that it could spend to draft our agreement. Afterwards, the casino gets a free look at my system, and then either decides to implement it, in which case our agreement should be executed, either they decide not, and nothing binds them further.

My wallet, that has 0 USDT now, will receive 2503 USDT at most by tomorrow: https://etherscan.io/address/0x2fbfb67dcb312faaf94788891a4c1a545dc5cf5b#tokentxns

No contract is required to pay that 2500 dollars, I’ll just keep it on trust. No strings attached. Although, before doing so, I’d like to only exchange a few words about what type of agreement we should have beforehand, because it wouldn’t be possible for me to send 2500 USD to everyone, and discover later that they wouldn’t give me a penny for using my system.

That’s it, don’t hesitate to contact me by pm or post here for any questions. Have a nice week.

I woul duse a different approach. Firstly, you register you system as intellectual property and make anyone who wants to see it sign a NDA (non-disclousure). Provided that you do not give the code away or other bits you should be all right. Now, paying upfront is catchy for a post, but it does not really make sense. Either you get people interested without it or you product is not catchy for the market.

[AussieMat]

I am increasing the reward for the time spent to draft the agreement to 5000 dollars. The wallet in the OP will receive an additional 2501 USDT by next Wednesday august 21st. Nothing changes elsewhere in the process.

I received no response from the contacts of the online casinos I sent messages to, I’ll update them once I add the money.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I am increasing the reward for the time spent to draft the agreement to 5000 dollars. The wallet in the OP will receive an additional 2501 USDT by next Wednesday august 21st. Nothing changes elsewhere in the process.

I received no response from the contacts of the online casinos I sent messages to, I’ll update them once I add the money.

Well well, I can definitely see or feel how determined you are to really get the attention of a big casino executive to see and possibly try out your provably fair system, $5000 is not that a small amount, and all I can do at this very moment is wish you all the best of luck.

But on other hand, like I did have mentioned before in my previous comment, you are looking for an executive of a big casino (stake for example) whom even a $100,000 reward might not still worth their time.
I did ask why don't you start with a smaller casino instead? And possibly grow from there, this is my other way of saying that getting the attention of an executive from a big and successful casino is actually not impossible, but it's something that will be very difficult to achieve, this will not only take a great deal of your time, but also may stress you out since you will have to keep sending messages over and over again until any of them possibly take notice, cus right, I did say I am certain that non of those executives you sent messages to have actually seen your message, I've worked with big people in the past and I know how they behave.

You have a better chance of achieving something off this quickly if you will consider smaller but genuine casinos to work with for a start.

[CHRISBIN702]

What's up Doc? I wasn't intentionally ignoring your Telegram messages. They came at the same time as a huge wave of spam and I overlooked it. My bad. I'll get you some meetings with a few owners but please do not pay anyone for this. I understand your reasoning but it will only invite scammers and impersonators into your life. Now, regarding the meetings, I can initiate them over video chats but even knowing a bit more about your invention than what has been disclosed here, I still can't offer more than a verbal guarantee in the protection of your IP. Someone here suggested to register or file for a patent or something. That's a start but enforcing that kind of thing internationally through regulators that are famously non-responsive is unlikely. So, my friend, we are back at square one. I would never advise you to blindly trust anyone with your IP... Especially in our industry but you might have to. Or take that SEO guy's advice and implement your system into actual games that showcase the user friendly approach to PF and go from there. You are more likely to make progress that way, in my opinion.

You can respond on TG if you prefer.

Talk soon.

[seoincorporation]

I am increasing the reward for the time spent to draft the agreement to 5000 dollars. The wallet in the OP will receive an additional 2501 USDT by next Wednesday august 21st. Nothing changes elsewhere in the process.

I received no response from the contacts of the online casinos I sent messages to, I’ll update them once I add the money.

This is because they don´t really need a provably fair system, they already have one, and it works fine, why would they want to spend money on a new system and implementation if the one that they already have works fine?

And with "Works fine" i mean:

1.- User already can switch their user seed.
2.- User can verify each bet.
3.- There are tools made to verify bets by batch.

These are the casino games that i talked about before, let me share the thread with you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489928.msg63842785#msg63842785

If you are interested I'm open for negotiation.

[AussieMat]

What's up Doc? I wasn't intentionally ignoring your Telegram messages. They came at the same time as a huge wave of spam and I overlooked it. My bad. I'll get you some meetings with a few owners but please do not pay anyone for this. I understand your reasoning but it will only invite scammers and impersonators into your life. Now, regarding the meetings, I can initiate them over video chats but even knowing a bit more about your invention than what has been disclosed here, I still can't offer more than a verbal guarantee in the protection of your IP. Someone here suggested to register or file for a patent or something. That's a start but enforcing that kind of thing internationally through regulators that are famously non-responsive is unlikely. So, my friend, we are back at square one. I would never advise you to blindly trust anyone with your IP... Especially in our industry but you might have to. Or take that SEO guy's advice and implement your system into actual games that showcase the user friendly approach to PF and go from there. You are more likely to make progress that way, in my opinion.

You can respond on TG if you prefer.

Talk soon.

Thanks for coming in and for the advice, I’ve answered on telegram

I am increasing the reward for the time spent to draft the agreement to 5000 dollars. The wallet in the OP will receive an additional 2501 USDT by next Wednesday august 21st. Nothing changes elsewhere in the process.

I received no response from the contacts of the online casinos I sent messages to, I’ll update them once I add the money.

This is because they don´t really need a provably fair system, they already have one, and it works fine, why would they want to spend money on a new system and implementation if the one that they already have works fine?

And with "Works fine" i mean:

1.- User already can switch their user seed.
2.- User can verify each bet.
3.- There are tools made to verify bets by batch.

These are the casino games that i talked about before, let me share the thread with you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489928.msg63842785#msg63842785

If you are interested I'm open for negotiation.

For example, below is a problem my system solves. With my system, you’d need 10x more ignorance to say such a thing:

Stake celebrates the 7th anniversary of its provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and 19 months!!! after discovery and compensation demand I am still not compensated!

Is it because Stake is managed by two RuneScape players and a chat moderator?  

I’ve checked your link, pretty cool stuff. I’m not a businessman though (at least not yet), I’m not sure I want to start and operate an online casino, or to reveal my system for everyone to see.

[seoincorporation]

For example, below is a problem my system solves. With my system, you’d need 10x more ignorance to say such a thing:
...
I’ve checked your link, pretty cool stuff. I’m not a businessman though (at least not yet), I’m not sure I want to start and operate an online casino, or to reveal my system for everyone to see.

Maybe not running a casino, but having your own engine to prove to your customers how your engine works would help you to sell it. If the engine is good and solves some problems then casinos will want to have it.

The quote you post about stake is just a user who doesn't understand the provably fair system of stake, but as i mentioned before, there are tools made for that:

https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/stake-verifier/

Even with a good provably fair system, the users can make a simulation system to try their betting method with a lot of bets, i have done that in the past with Just dice.

[AussieMat]

is just a user who doesn't understand the provably fair system of stake

Are you sure just a user? I think they are many.

but as i mentioned before, there are tools made for that:

https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/stake-verifier/

Do you think you’ve solved that user problem by giving him a third party tool that he should trust to verify his bets, and he doesn’t even understand how provably fair even works? If you answer no, then you need my system.

[AB de Royse777]

@AussieMat
I know an entrepreneur, he is a developer, very skilled however he is looking for business opportunities, do you think I can offer him this?

[shield132]

AussieMat
Your offer of that additional 2500 USD shows that you are seriously trying to gain attention. I was ignoring this thread and now I came because it looks interesting, I read every post.
Why can't you patent it? Is your country the problem? Maybe it's better to travel to other countries to patent it? Patenting is your best bet to my mind.

Besides this forum, have you tried LinkedIn? Some crypto casinos are on LinkedIn and you can contact their HR, developers, marketers and even CEOs. If I were you, I would try LinkedIn. Connect with many crypto casino employees, HRs and CEOs and then make a similar post on LinkedIn.

I also think that it will be easier for you to contact small casino owners, for example, try to contact Bustabit and Bustadice owner - leomedina

[AussieMat]

AussieMat
Your offer of that additional 2500 USD shows that you are seriously trying to gain attention. I was ignoring this thread and now I came because it looks interesting, I read every post.
Why can't you patent it? Is your country the problem? Maybe it's better to travel to other countries to patent it? Patenting is your best bet to my mind.

Besides this forum, have you tried LinkedIn? Some crypto casinos are on LinkedIn and you can contact their HR, developers, marketers and even CEOs. If I were you, I would try LinkedIn. Connect with many crypto casino employees, HRs and CEOs and then make a similar post on LinkedIn.

I also think that it will be easier for you to contact small casino owners, for example, try to contact Bustabit and Bustadice owner - leomedina

Nice suggestion. I will try to consult a Curaçao lawyer.

@AussieMat
I know an entrepreneur, he is a developer, very skilled however he is looking for business opportunities, do you think I can offer him this?

Why not, the offer was basically for the businesses who are already in the casino industry, but I am open to discussions if he has ideas, he can send me a pm here or on telegram.

[paxmao]

I was thinking about this topic  and I think op should implement his provably fair system on some demo casino. That way would be easier to explain to casinos how does the New provably fair system works.

I could help on this, I have a casino software with 4 games, if you want send me a PM and we ca find the way to works together.

This is not a bad idea. OP has shown a willingness to put their money where their mouth is (although without funds being escrowed it is just words). I doubt many large casino executives care about $2500 though. That may be a big amount of money for you or I, but to someone with millions coming in, it honestly probably isn’t an incentive. Going at it along and building a player base might be the best way forward.

It is more the fact that the user is willing to put some money forward just as you say, so he show confidence in the product he is delivering or selling, but it is unclear to me how useful that may really be in practice. How much are larger sites willing to pay for such a system? Is it really worth the hassle in terms of users that can really care about verifying the proof in depth?