Unimaginable case yesterday at local bet shop.

[Adbitco]

Yesterdayday I went to bank to do some account upgrade on my local account, when I drop, there is a local betting shop beside the bank and they are sharing thesame fence but what got my attention is. As I was about entering inside bank I overheard some people raising their voices saying why would you place bet without money but put your bike at stake, I acted as I never knew what is going on till I finished what I went to the bank to do, and still came back they were still raising their voices.

Do you believe that you would win the game for staking your bike, why would you do that? Please pay off the money and take your bike and leave otherwise your bike would remain here. On the process the gambler pleaded and pleaded with the agent to let his bike go so he could go drive and raise back the money to pay for his Gamble but yet they didn't allow him to go with the bike instead he should call a relative to release him from there but he instead of not calling anyone but rather go home with his bike. It was a serious drama (case) till i and some other people had to intervene for the gambler and paid off for him to go home with his bike and never to come gamble without funds on his hands.

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

[Coin_trader]

Maybe you should add some picture next time of the bank and betting shop to help improving the visualizing of the story. I’m curious on what it looks like a betting shop near a bank because we don’t have that kind of establishment in my country.

What I find unique to this story is the ability to stake a physical bike on a betting shop without the need to liquidate first the item to a loan shark then use the cash for betting. However, using an important items on betting is normal for addicted gamblers since this is the easiest way to get cash for bet. We have a lot of millionaire businessmen that turn to poor due to gambling addiction.

[Pandorak]

[...] I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way. [...]

As our country does not legalize gambling, we are unlikely to see someone risking their physical property to gamble. But cases like mortgaging physical property to get money for gambling are often seen here, to me, this is a form of uncontrolled addiction & is the nature of the problem gambler.

From your case above, i think betting shop owners should limit their gamblers, banning them if they don't have money is the only way so that problems don't arise that might continue.

[Julien_Olynpic]

To me, this sounds like science fiction: in our country, there is no such thing that you can leave your physical property in the form of a stake or some kind of collateral. More precisely, it is important to take a loan against a vehicle (for example, a car), but I can’t even imagine a loan against a bicycle. Perhaps this is acceptable in southern countries, but in northern countries such property is relatively cheap and almost no one accepts it as collateral. Although there are probably countries in which the bets themselves can exist in the form of physical objects. Perhaps this exists in street betting, I don’t know.

[dunfida]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

When it comes into this situation or condition then this is really just that normal or something that turns out to be that possibly happen on betting house or any venue or even just with those p2p bets
with other people where you would really be putting up your things at stake on the  time that you dont have money or cash into your pocket. On the moment that greed and impulsive emotions would really be
starting to kick in then it would really be just that too hard to make up such control. This is why it would really be that important that you should really be having that kind of control and self awareness
on the actions and decisions on which you would gonna tend to make. Selling or betting into their posessions is never been that something new anymore in gambling world.

You cant really be able to stop or make those betting shops not to accept those kind of deals as long they are really that having a value then they would really be granting it out.
It would really be just that normal that they would be doing this since they are running a business and they do always have the advantage most of the time considering that
losing in gambling is much more in compared to those who do make those winnings. If you are really that making yourself that rushed up then you would really be having that huge
problem later-wards.

[Wexnident]

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Yea, I'd do the same as the agent here. You would've agreed with it in the first place if you started gambling with your bike on the line, I don't think there's any sane business owner out there that would run a charity that'd let you go off to your home and get funds, the world aint that kind lol.

There's nothing to do if you can't stop gambling. That's pretty much the root cause of it all. As for asking businesses to accept collaterals, why would they be the one to adjust? I mean again, there was an agreement before anything else started, I don't think they did anything wrong on that part, or for any part on that matter. Let the worst case happen, and let those people acting that way be embarassed, doesn't matter. An agreement is an agreement.

[Die_empty]

To me, this sounds like science fiction: in our country, there is no such thing that you can leave your physical property in the form of a stake or some kind of collateral. More precisely, it is important to take a loan against a vehicle (for example, a car), but I can’t even imagine a loan against a bicycle. Perhaps this is acceptable in southern countries, but in northern countries such property is relatively cheap and almost no one accepts it as collateral. Although there are probably countries in which the bets themselves can exist in the form of physical objects. Perhaps this exists in street betting, I don’t know.

This is not fiction, it usually happens in my country. These people are mainly gambling addict who couldn't control their urge to gamble. Another set of people who can engage in such a behavior are people who have been assured that the bets are sure. There usually some people who usually cliam to be insiders or have access to fix matches. Some gamblers might have so much confidence on these predictors that it might spur them to deposit a physical asset for a bet. Some common items I have seen that are collateral phones and other electronic gadgets such as laptops. There was also a sad incident where a mother used his son as bet collateral. Woman Abandons 4-Year-Old Child In Gambling Shop As Collateral After Huge Losses - Family

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

First, you need to ask the person why he used his property to finance his bets. The reason for his unwise action will determine the kind of advice you will offer. Basically, they should know that gambling is uncertain terrain. That's why they should gamble with only what they can afford to lose. I am sure that the main character in this story cannot afford to lose his bike because it is his major source of income.

[Charles-Tim]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property.

If the person can not afford to lose the bike, that is foolishness and lack of discipline. He may think that if he go one last time, that he may win. But that is not how gambling is. Even when someone is losing already, the person may continue to gamble and lose more. According to your post, it is like the person is even a bike man? That is stupidity if he is a bike man because I am pretty sure that he can not afford to lose the bike.

If someone is not foolish and greedy, something like this will not happen to the person. He thinks he can earn money from gambling. If they give home the bike, I am sure that he may not pay the money if nobody knows where he is living. He may not even get close to that place anymore if no one knows where he is living.

[Zaguru12]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

It is purely addiction and one thing about addiction that makes it a very bad thing for anyone is that you make stupid decisions or choices without thinking otherwise, there is plenty of this cases recorded every time at physical betting shops that I particularly have started to blame the shop owner more than the gamblers. Set a rule that only betting with money is allow and not putting items out to bet with. This will save a lot of this troubles.

Maybe you should add some picture next time of the bank and betting shop to help improving the visualizing of the story. I’m curious on what it looks like a betting shop near a bank because we don’t have that kind of establishment in my country.

It depends on the country setting, I have also seen this kind of environment before, shops are mostly built close to banks and this type of shops are rented out to betting shops and even local loan offering offices. I think same is the story the OP experienced

[Rockstarguy]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

I don't know if gambling house accepts physical properties for gamblers to stake games, for me this does not make sense because the outcome of the game is either a win or lose and if eventually the outcome of the game is lose the gambler won't be willing to let the property go for the game he lose maybe because of the worth of the property, he only just use a property to stake the game just because of addiction or trying to make money from gambling very quick. It will be better if gambling house only accept money for staking of game because any other thing like physical properties can turn into disagreement and argument if the comes out to be lose.

The only two reasons why anyone would want to stake property to gamble is unless for addiction and depending on gambling as a source of income. People who are addicted to gamble and who think money can be generated from gambling quick don't usually think what could be the outcome of gambling,  they never have a second thought what if I lose can I let what is being use to stake to let go?.

[Apocollapse]

People who said land based casino is more gamblers friendly and unlikely to get addicted should read this thread, it's crazy that the casino's employee want to accept the bet instead of forbid it. Usually the gamblers will don't mind to bet their property because they don't want to feel shame with the people who watch them betting.

There's always a chance someone can get addicted either in online casino and land based casino.

[Obari]

With all due respect and without any ill intentions towards my country, I think this is already a very common case in my country and it think physical shops should stop accepting other forms of payment except cash except they want to keep having cases and reoccurrences like this which I’m sure no one wants for themselves.
I don’t know if it’s right, but I think the bettor should have received some factory reset in their brain with a slap because most times, these gamblers already know the consequences of stake their valuables but still go ahead to do so and that’s another level of greed and this should be a warning to us over here to only gamble with what we can afford to loss.

[Su-asa]

Yesterdayday I went to bank to do some account upgrade on my local account, when I drop, there is a local betting shop beside the bank and they are sharing thesame fence but what got my attention is. As I was about entering inside bank I overheard some people raising their voices saying why would you place bet without money but put your bike at stake, I acted as I never knew what is going on till I finished what I went to the bank to do, and still came back they were still raising their voices.

In local bet shops there's always noises because most people there are volubles people, the noise on local bet shops increases when there's losses and winning and if the bettors are more than 10 or 15 in numbers.

Do you believe that you would win the game for staking your bike, why would you do that?

Even without that believe of winning, the person that accepts the gamblers offer should consider if the bike is worth the amount of risk that the gambler is about to take just in case the gambler didn't win the game. If the gambler lose and the person keeps the bike then in less then 5 days the bike refuses to work or he finds faults on the bike, how will he do?
What if the bike wasn't intact or what if it does?

[YOSHIE]

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

The behavior of those who are addicted to gambling sometimes often carry out activities when they bet on reason, we often see them if they don't have money making unreasonable bets, but what they do in their minds is normal and ordinary.

I often see people, especially those who place bets at local casinos, by betting their possessions ranging from motorbikes to their wife's rings on the local gambling tables. Indeed, some of this seems strange, but others think it's normal, basically whatever they bet on as far as I know never comes back, in fact something worse happens in their life or family.

Point, if I find such people risking their property for gambling, I don't want to forbid them, because it's none of my business to lose or win, it's their business, if they are of sound mind they certainly won't do it, meaning the person is stressed.

[Jaycoinz]

With all due respect and without any ill intentions towards my country, I think this is already a very common case in my country and it think physical shops should stop accepting other forms of payment except cash except they want to keep having cases and reoccurrences like this which I’m sure no one wants for themselves.
I don’t know if it’s right, but I think the bettor should have received some factory reset in their brain with a slap because most times, these gamblers already know the consequences of stake their valuables but still go ahead to do so and that’s another level of greed and this should be a warning to us over here to only gamble with what we can afford to loss.

Lol, I can relate to this very well, my house is very close to a betting shop and believe me I see all this kind of drama every day and the funny thing is that some persons know how they would be hurt by such actions but yet still do all these things because they have the thought of possiblity that it might turn out to be successful for them well for some rare occasion it might not backfire but at a large range it's unethical to even try to make such risk.

[Hatchy]

Maybe you should add some picture next time of the bank and betting shop to help improving the visualizing of the story. I’m curious on what it looks like a betting shop near a bank because we don’t have that kind of establishment in my country.

When he meant near, he didn't necessarily mean they shared the same compound. Most local bet shops are located in small areas like in streets. Banks are placed along major roads. So maybe probably just close to the bank was the bet store. Never the less, the story op has shared, shows clearly a sign of an irresponsible gambler. Why stake your property just to make sure you meet up with your bets? It show signs of addiction too. If he knew how much money he would make from his bike which might become capital to place bets then maybe he wouldn't even think of staking his bike. I just haven't heard of a bet store using a bike as liquidity though.

[iv4n]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property.

I have never been in such situations, I gambled with the money I have. There were a couple of times when a friend gave/loaned me some money, but only because I didn't have it with me at the time. I always returned it the next day.

How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

When I was younger (and without a wife and children) I knew a lot of people, and I hung out with many of them. When we move around the city (visiting casinos, restaurants, clubs, and so on) we see and hear a lot of things... and there were a lot of stories like this. And as for gambling and the use of hard drugs. There is no help for those people who have taken a deep bite of it, they lie to everyone around them, and their promises are not worth much. So the only way to avoid such a situation is to not allow anyone to bet if they don't have money. When someone is addicted and poor it's a terrible combination, these people lie and steal even from those closest to them just to satisfy their addiction. And when someone does that to their loved ones, how will they behave towards people they don't know?

[bitbollo]

No one should accept an object for a bet (of course if they run an official business).
First of all is not ethic. Isn't normal some one is betting with an item that HE NEEDS for survive.
Second, employer would cover such bet from their own (both the amount gambled or the win ...)
Lastly It's not nice to see such situation in any shop and people that use this must not be "forced" to pay someone money....

[Obari]

With all due respect and without any ill intentions towards my country, I think this is already a very common case in my country and it think physical shops should stop accepting other forms of payment except cash except they want to keep having cases and reoccurrences like this which I’m sure no one wants for themselves.
I don’t know if it’s right, but I think the bettor should have received some factory reset in their brain with a slap because most times, these gamblers already know the consequences of stake their valuables but still go ahead to do so and that’s another level of greed and this should be a warning to us over here to only gamble with what we can afford to loss.

Lol, I can relate to this very well, my house is very close to a betting shop and believe me I see all this kind of drama every day and the funny thing is that some persons know how they would be hurt by such actions but yet still do all these things because they have the thought of possiblity that it might turn out to be successful for them well for some rare occasion it might not backfire but at a large range it's unethical to even try to make such risk.

Some humans are already insane and that’s just the truth and just with respect to what you said, I think it’s even right to give money before staking a game especially if the cashier is a woman because I’ve seen a lot of silly actions happening in a physical bet shop and happening like that, makes gambling frowned more at by the aged ones and making people seem gambling is totally bad which is wrong.

I was in a physical gambling shop some time back and there was this responsible young looking man that walked in( atleast, judging from appearance, the man was looking too responsible for what he did that very day)
And went straight for the cashier of the net shop and played several games with about 6k in my local currency and since he paid the first one, there was no need to doubt him but play what lever game he instructed, at the end of the day the man was already in debt of about 17k in my local currency and after all set and done, he was allowed to go and blaming the cashier for playing such huge amount for the man without collecting money and they forgot that, gamblers find it disrespectful when they’re asked to pay for playing a game.

[cabron]

To me, this sounds like science fiction: in our country, there is no such thing that you can leave your physical property in the form of a stake or some kind of collateral. More precisely, it is important to take a loan against a vehicle (for example, a car), but I can’t even imagine a loan against a bicycle. Perhaps this is acceptable in southern countries, but in northern countries such property is relatively cheap and almost no one accepts it as collateral. Although there are probably countries in which the bets themselves can exist in the form of physical objects. Perhaps this exists in street betting, I don’t know.

In a 3rd would country, it's not science fiction though. Local bet shops are owned by corrupt police officers sometimes where gamblers can take a loan leaving their watches, motorbike, or even cars for a small amount with an interest rate that grows by the day.

For a gambler who is really trying to gain back what was lost from him, he may not see any other option but that same day so they risk their properties. Chasing the loss has always been talked about in this forum as the cause of more loss and this has always been the case.