Unimaginable case yesterday at local bet shop.

[Forsyth Jones]

I have never seen this type of case happen. I'm South American and I've never seen this type of thing happen and I found it quite absurd.

First, it's not clear whether it's an illegal betting house, second, a reputable betting house wouldn't accept personal assets as betting prizes.

Second, a betting house worth its salt wouldn't open next to a bank, where people like elderly and indebted people frequent and are more likely to be persuaded more easily.

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

I'd never bet any personal assets knowing that the risk is 50/50 or even higher depending on the type of game.

[alani123]

This sounds like an instance where someone risked what he shouldn't have. Not everything but close to that.

If a bike is so important to someone to get around and go to his job, why risk it in the first place. Wait until you can put some money on the side.

In this instance I'd blame both the shop owner for accepting such bet but also the person. There's some shared responsibility. When you have  dried someone's wallet at least say no to further bets. The bet shop owner also violated some rules and common sense as well by letting someone gamble on a bike instead of cash or a bank balance. I think if he's so willing to suck people dry he should deserve to get screwed some time too, not just the people who are addicted all the time.

[Nwada001]

I have encountered a similar case at a local betting shop in my area before, where the gambler placed a bet until he exhausted the money he had in his hand and decided to place his last bet using his mobile phone as collateral. The agent took the phone, and the gambler could not meet up to repay on the agreed time, which they gave him about a week plus, and they ended up auctioning the phone out at a price not far above what the gambler owed. 
 
Some betting shops still allow that, but to date, some don't. If you check very well, that bike might not belong to the gambler; it will be what he is submitting daily to the owner, but yet he took the risk of gambling with it. Some people are not just serious with their lives.

[Weawant]

Not Minding how sure you are, this has been one of the biggest reasons I preach against been too confident about a bet when placing it so much that you risk so much even such that you cannot afford to loose comfortably. It's obvious that I'm this case the gambler who owns the motorcycle was confident he was going to win hence he risked that much.

For someone who's got almost no confidence in that which they are doing, I believe they aren't going to try risking even that which they are able to afford loosing at anytime.  I have not really witnessed a case of such high risk stakes that ended in violence but I have witnessed a conflicting gambling term that led to a mild misunderstanding which was later resolved by both parties.

[Sandra_hakeem]

[..]there is a local betting shop beside the bank and they are sharing thesame fence

A bank beside a casino house? That's strange since they normally operate in tranquil environments only.

..does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

That's not the case... You see, alot of people seem to allow their curiosities to catch up with them; they always wanna try, even at that, they can't just quit when they've lost too much already, let alone refuse to wager their motorcycle.

[Accardo]

Op, it'll interest me to know the player's age. Did you ask him a few questions about his gambling habit? He's compulsive and needs help. Thanks for handling the issue amicably. Holding on to the gambler would have been more effective to teach him not to try it next time. Because whatever happened there isn't enough to change his beliefs on gambling.

And he could repeat similar bad habits in a place with no helper to save him. Since he mentioned going to work out money with his bike, he did it for money. While he lost he thought his chances would get better and fetch him more wins to pay his bills in the betting shop.

[Coyster]

Going by your story, the motorcycle is that persons source of livelihood, if that is the case then how foolish can he be, gambling with his only source of livelihood. You can like gambling without doing something crazy, i have been gambling for many years now, but i have always kept things responsible and i have never ran into problems. The betting shop should also make sure customers pay before gambling, to avoid this situation repeating itself.

[usekevin]

Addiction Ian the cause mate and that is what we see nowadays gamblers with no funds wants to gble believing they can win their bet and they will stake their properties. I don't know why gamblers finds it very difficult to control themselves when gambling, maybe because they want to make billions from gambling.

Imagine the bike man that used his bike for collateral without thinking twice, it means that this gambler will continue gambling without stopping even if he is losing until he empties his bankroll before he will stand up whenever he is gambling with funds. Who knows maybe he has exhausted all the funds on him and still is not satisfied with his losses want to continue chasing his losses which was why he staked his bike as collateral.

The gambler who started playing was mostly get addicted in the gambling by the greedy towards making million or billions in the gambling site.Playing gambling is not make the gamblers to become rich.But they need to have a luck in the game.If they don’t have the luck,it will create a gambler very big trouble in the financial condition.

The gambler who use the bike for the betting means,he get addicted to the gambling.If they used the things from their own resources mean,most probably the gambler will lose the thing because of the nervous in the game.So it was better to avoid of place the bike for the gambling game,So you can play the game without any pressure and help you to feel the gambling game apart from making money.

[Adbitco]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

Physical casinos should not accept any goods or property to be pledged by someone in order to finance gamblers to be able to bet, there must be restrictions on certain goods.

But on the other hand casinos may also want to take advantage when someone really wants to gamble and wants to pledge his property, of course that is a bad intention from the casino in my opinion.

In this case it is not only the casino that should be blamed but the gambler should also be blamed because he does not have money why should he gamble and risk his motorcycle just to be able to gamble.

I’ve never heard of a physical casino actually letting people bet physical items. Most of the casinos I’ve been to are littered with pawn shops so that people can pawn their items for money to gamble with. It would be odd to see someone bet a physical item. If it’s allowed though and the gambler loses their item, the blame can only be on them for risking it.

Hey OG I have came encountered with that not only this one but when you look at local betting shop within my locality they aren't that hash or strict to gambler it's a kind of thing that allows people to gamble, not that they automatically accepting physical properties but at some point while gambling and you emptied your bankroll or those who loves playing on virtual bet they are always in found of doing that, when their last bet cut they would either want to use their clothes, shoe or belt to wage to try their last chance and yet still ends up losing huge time. You know people can be so greedy in terms of gambling and when they lost all they had they would still want to prove themselves to try additional luck if that could give them winning to restore all they have lost without knowing that they are creating/digging more pit for themselves to fall-inside.

[Roseline492]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

One thing about gambling is that whenever most gamblers sees any opportunity they believe they could win if they bet on that game they tend to cloud there mindset with the winning believe and at that moment if they don't have cash they would be ready to use whatever thing at there disposal to gamble and when they lose that's when there brain will be resetted and they will start wondering what lured them into it, well I don't know if I would refer to the guy as a gambling addict or not because one of the things that can lead somebody like that into using his motorcycle to gamble is addiction, so perhaps I wouldn't blame the betting shop if they refuse to allow him collect the motorcycle because he was fully aware of the outcome before he decided to use his bike, so perhaps this would serve as a lesson to him that next time he would avoid such thing from happening again.

[Adbitco]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

This lead me to come create this topic to see response from experience people since the local betting shop is not that much far from me, I may give them some clue since I was recognized among those who calmed the whole situation.

One thing about gambling is that whenever most gamblers sees any opportunity they believe they could win if they bet on that game they tend to cloud there mindset with the winning believe and at that moment if they don't have cash they would be ready to use whatever thing at there disposal to gamble and when they lose that's when there brain will be resetted and they will start wondering what lured them into it, well I don't know if I would refer to the guy as a gambling addict or not because one of the things that can lead somebody like that into using his motorcycle to gamble is addiction, so perhaps I wouldn't blame the betting shop if they refuse to allow him collect the motorcycle because he was fully aware of the outcome before he decided to use his bike, so perhaps this would serve as a lesson to him that next time he would avoid such thing from happening again.

It's always like this and such attitude can't be off from those who are find to be addicted gamblers, it's an ordinary character that is being nurtured into their heart that whenever they are gambling it most work that way. There are some certain extent where they would gamble and they can't actually maintain simple practice because you would see the addiction gradually growing from them, that is most people gamble to an extent where they had to use their belongings in placement of their stake amount.

[topbitcoin]

Physical casinos should not accept any goods or property to be pledged by someone in order to finance gamblers to be able to bet, there must be restrictions on certain goods.

But on the other hand casinos may also want to take advantage when someone really wants to gamble and wants to pledge his property, of course that is a bad intention from the casino in my opinion.

In this case it is not only the casino that should be blamed but the gambler should also be blamed because he does not have money why should he gamble and risk his motorcycle just to be able to gamble.

I’ve never heard of a physical casino actually letting people bet physical items. Most of the casinos I’ve been to are littered with pawn shops so that people can pawn their items for money to gamble with. It would be odd to see someone bet a physical item. If it’s allowed though and the gambler loses their item, the blame can only be on them for risking it.

It may never happen in a large casino but looking at the current situation actually for some small casinos things like this can still happen and may even be commonplace to do.
I've found some similar conditions where there are some croupiers who even accept bets in the form of goods from the smallest such as watches or gadgets and there can even be bigger bets such as for motorbikes and even other guarantees.

We've even seen cases where a mother would use her child as collateral because she couldn't pay the losses she incurred from gambling.
This is proof that situations like this can still happen when gambling is too habitual for everyone.

[stomachgrowls]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

Physical casinos should not accept any goods or property to be pledged by someone in order to finance gamblers to be able to bet, there must be restrictions on certain goods.

But on the other hand casinos may also want to take advantage when someone really wants to gamble and wants to pledge his property, of course that is a bad intention from the casino in my opinion.

In this case it is not only the casino that should be blamed but the gambler should also be blamed because he does not have money why should he gamble and risk his motorcycle just to be able to gamble.

I’ve never heard of a physical casino actually letting people bet physical items. Most of the casinos I’ve been to are littered with pawn shops so that people can pawn their items for money to gamble with. It would be odd to see someone bet a physical item. If it’s allowed though and the gambler loses their item, the blame can only be on them for risking it.

Hey OG I have came encountered with that not only this one but when you look at local betting shop within my locality they aren't that hash or strict to gambler it's a kind of thing that allows people to gamble, not that they automatically accepting physical properties but at some point while gambling and you emptied your bankroll or those who loves playing on virtual bet they are always in found of doing that, when their last bet cut they would either want to use their clothes, shoe or belt to wage to try their last chance and yet still ends up losing huge time. You know people can be so greedy in terms of gambling and when they lost all they had they would still want to prove themselves to try additional luck if that could give them winning to restore all they have lost without knowing that they are creating/digging more pit for themselves to fall-inside.

And thats the sad thing for most gamblers on which they wont really be stopping not until that they would really be losing it all. As long they do have been able to make bets on the things that they do currently have into their possession on that time then its most likely that it would really be used on such purpose specially on the time that you do become that impulsive then you wont really be making yourself that able to avoid on having those thinking that you would really be that making use of these things for you to be able to bet more on which on the casino itself then it wont really be that hard that they would really be allowing it immediately on the time that someone or those gamblers would really be offering such stuff as their bets. They do know that they could really be able to benefit out or they are really that on advantage.

If you are really that usually into casino then you would really be that definitely be seeing these kind of situations on which there would really be gamblers or bettors that they would really be having this kind
of actions specially on the time or moment that they do find themselves that being greedy or already into the time that they would be chasing their loses. It would really be that understandable
on what are the things that they would gonna do.

[Adbitco]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property. How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what? I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

Physical casinos should not accept any goods or property to be pledged by someone in order to finance gamblers to be able to bet, there must be restrictions on certain goods.

But on the other hand casinos may also want to take advantage when someone really wants to gamble and wants to pledge his property, of course that is a bad intention from the casino in my opinion.

In this case it is not only the casino that should be blamed but the gambler should also be blamed because he does not have money why should he gamble and risk his motorcycle just to be able to gamble.

I’ve never heard of a physical casino actually letting people bet physical items. Most of the casinos I’ve been to are littered with pawn shops so that people can pawn their items for money to gamble with. It would be odd to see someone bet a physical item. If it’s allowed though and the gambler loses their item, the blame can only be on them for risking it.

Hey OG I have came encountered with that not only this one but when you look at local betting shop within my locality they aren't that hash or strict to gambler it's a kind of thing that allows people to gamble, not that they automatically accepting physical properties but at some point while gambling and you emptied your bankroll or those who loves playing on virtual bet they are always in found of doing that, when their last bet cut they would either want to use their clothes, shoe or belt to wage to try their last chance and yet still ends up losing huge time. You know people can be so greedy in terms of gambling and when they lost all they had they would still want to prove themselves to try additional luck if that could give them winning to restore all they have lost without knowing that they are creating/digging more pit for themselves to fall-inside.

And thats the sad thing for most gamblers on which they wont really be stopping not until that they would really be losing it all. As long they do have been able to make bets on the things that they do currently have into their possession on that time then its most likely that it would really be used on such purpose specially on the time that you do become that impulsive then you wont really be making yourself that able to avoid on having those thinking that you would really be that making use of these things for you to be able to bet more on which on the casino itself then it wont really be that hard that they would really be allowing it immediately on the time that someone or those gamblers would really be offering such stuff as their bets. They do know that they could really be able to benefit out or they are really that on advantage.

If you are really that usually into casino then you would really be that definitely be seeing these kind of situations on which there would really be gamblers or bettors that they would really be having this kind
of actions specially on the time or moment that they do find themselves that being greedy or already into the time that they would be chasing their loses. It would really be that understandable
on what are the things that they would gonna do.

People who is gambling online casino would never experienced that but rather if they exhausted their bankroll they don't have another option than to opt out of the site, but when using local gambling site then it's assume is always common over there but what if they gambling online I don't think such situations would occurred that is why it's always advisable to get signed up in online casinos than using local gambling shops.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Is it possible to think that you, the OP, and several other people paid off that person's debt? And he, happy that he didn't lose his motorcycle, went home? Do you think that's good? Do you believe that you helped him? What'll he do next time? The same thing. If he's so crazy about gambling that he bets everything he owns, it's only going to get worse. He needed a very bitter and harsh lesson, and you indulged in his passion continuing. Although I haven't heard of such stories, when bookmakers allow betting on property without funds, I've listened to something else. People lose at cards—lose a lot—but their debts are not considered worth paying by anyone else. Therefore, sometimes we don't help, we deceive ourselves that we are doing good.

[Samlucky O]

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property.

It is very simple " Addiction" is the only reason someone would risk his motorcycle 🏍️ for betting. A person who is not a gambling addict can not risk his motorbike or valuable property for gambling. Although I have heard of several case scenario where such thing happen,  but have to witnessed it Live.

How could this act be properly prevented, or does it mean that the betting shop should stop accepting people using anything not less than money to stake bet or what?

I don't think If the gambling shop stop accepting physical properties over fiat as a way of reducing addiction, because a gambling addict may go to another betting shop that can accept physical properties or better still sell it and use the fiat for gambling.

I have seen many worse cases where people gambles uncontrollably, I was so much embarrassed seeing people behave this way.

Well you better stop feeling for such people because being emotional can Leed you to always spend unnecessarily while the victim here dont even care if they embarrassed publicly.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Is it possible to think that you, the OP, and several other people paid off that person's debt? And he, happy that he didn't lose his motorcycle, went home? Do you think that's good? Do you believe that you helped him? What'll he do next time? The same thing. If he's so crazy about gambling that he bets everything he owns, it's only going to get worse. He needed a very bitter and harsh lesson, and you indulged in his passion continuing. Although I haven't heard of such stories, when bookmakers allow betting on property without funds, I've listened to something else. People lose at cards—lose a lot—but their debts are not considered worth paying by anyone else. Therefore, sometimes we don't help, we deceive ourselves that we are doing good.

My greatest blame goes to the betting shop for allowing him bet with his bike, it clearly shows they have interest in confiscating his propeerty upon funds loss and also the foolish man that trusted his instincts in gambling enough to pledge with his only source of livelihood as a collateral, anyways, addiction can render gamblers very stupid.

In as much as I validate what you're saying in some way since I believe people learn better when they've hit a rock and made to sufferin order to right their wrongs, but in the case of OP, I think he and the others did the best thing and I would tell you why. We live in different countries and matters are handled differently. In your country, there might be things like social services which comes to people's aids, and when such matters are reported to the police, the guy is compelled to pay back the money within a timeframe and he goes back home unhurt. He might be arrested and the government takes care of his family until he returns.

In some countries, that singular act from the gambler can send him to his early grave if issues compound, the argument might be heavy and they start beating him and the story changes and even if he is arrested, his family is left unattended and might even result to something worse for the Innocent people in his family. We can see that he was pleading for his bike to be released so he can continue hustling with it and repay the money, this would tell you that the bike service is his only source of income, and he was foolish enough to stake with it. The best thing in such country as OP is just what they did and warn the cashiers seriously to always collect money from him before allowing him to gamble.

[Pmalek]

Do you believe that you would win the game for staking your bike, why would you do that? Please pay off the money and take your bike and leave otherwise your bike would remain here. On the process the gambler pleaded and pleaded with the agent to let his bike go so he could go drive and raise back the money to pay for his Gamble but yet they didn't allow him to go with the bike instead he should call a relative to release him from there but he instead of not calling anyone but rather go home with his bike. It was a serious drama (case) till i and some other people had to intervene for the gambler and paid off for him to go home with his bike and never to come gamble without funds on his hands.

I have to say, that's a very weird bookie you have in your country that accepts motorcycles and physical goods in exchange for betting. Official bet shops in my country don't work like that. You either pay the money upfront or go home.

Coming back to this case, if he staked his bike and lost his bet, the bike is now the properly of the bookie. The bookie won it fair and square. Fair and stupid more like it. The person who made the stake showed a complete lack of judgement for placing such a bet. When he lost, he asked for his bike back, which again shows the confusion in his head. 

I want to asked here.. What could make you stake bet with a motorcycle or any physical properties knowing too well that when lose you can't afford to let go your motorcycle or property.

It's probably one of the following: gambling addiction, stupidity, lack of soberness, or no logic and intelligence. No sane person who is right in the head would bet with something they can't lose or live and work without.

[lovesmayfamilis]

In as much as I validate what you're saying in some way since I believe people learn better when they've hit a rock and made to sufferin order to right their wrongs, but in the case of OP, I think he and the others did the best thing and I would tell you why. We live in different countries and matters are handled differently. In your country, there might be things like social services which comes to people's aids, and when such matters are reported to the police, the guy is compelled to pay back the money within a timeframe and he goes back home unhurt. He might be arrested and the government takes care of his family until he returns.

Another question arises: if you, as a person who knows the specifics of behavior with people who have debt, what can happen to them, why, in this case, has the player himself neglected everything? After all, he must also understand that it is impossible to win all the games, just as it is impossible to know the outcome of the game in advance. But despite this, he played. And here the question is about his attitude toward his family, health, and all the consequences of losing. He did not care, and the only thing that drove him was a passion for the game and greed.

How to teach such people?

When I wrote about losing cards, I had in mind exactly these consequences: in my country, it is not the police who will knock out debts, but people from another sphere. But when sitting at the gaming table, a person always chooses what is important to him—money or family—and how to behave in case of loss.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

How to teach such people?

When I wrote about losing cards, I had in mind exactly these consequences: in my country, it is not the police who will knock out debts, but people from another sphere. But when sitting at the gaming table, a person always chooses what is important to him—money or family—and how to behave in case of loss.

Correct, In my country too, police does not go for debt recovery, and that makes it riskier since the matter is left in the hands of the casino to handle and I trust them to handle such issues in a biased manner.

About choices at a gaming table, being able to nurse those thoughts depends on your level of addiction in gambling, you can only nurse rational thoughts when you are not yet eaten up by your gambling obsession, but my dear when you have crossed the Capricorn in gambling addiction, all rational thoughts are erased from your mind and your only mindset is about chasing the casino in any way possible. Those guys are just like drug addicts, they only think about the action and not at all about the reaction from their action.