Do we allow alt accounts in forum awards.

[AB de Royse777]

Awards like Bitcoin pizza day, community awards etc. Do we allow alt accounts to participate?


This user airfinex is definitely an alt account which was created to to discuss about the plagiarism of a former merit source Ratimov. Everyone was supporting it and many can call it a success.

After his first successful assignment, he started asking questions against many forum members, started to create topics and almost all of the topics were an attempt to harm the reputation of the forum members. He twists information and presents to create a false sense in the readers mind.

Several topics:
Who controls Bestchange's account?
Is Theymos really a lauda?
Why does Foxpup only send negative feedback?
Moderator Xal0lex - Informal Plagiarist
Bithub.im, BestChange (Removal of reviews and disclaimer of financial obligati).
Linked accounts Ebede, GeorgeJohn * and what does JG have to do with it?
Cygan abuses DT - Proof!
Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

I guess it's no doubt that airfinex is an alt account. Building an alt account is not against the forum but do we think it's justified that an obvious alt account is joining forum contests and even winning prizes?

[Free Market Capitalist]

The bad thing about this is that to be sure that he did something wrong, we should be able to prove that he also participated with his main account, which we have no idea who he is.

But it doesn't look good. For someone who is obviously an alt account, the fact that he participates in these kinds of contests makes us doubt that he also did it with his main account.

[Oshosondy]

If there is no prove, there is nothing that can be done. It can also be in the other way. Like he thinks of not using his main account for the contest and prefer to use his alt. I do not think this is worth discussing about than to notify the people that organized the contest so that they can know what to do. But I think they will also have nothing to do about it because nobody has evidences that he used his mean account for the contest

[Solosanz]

Yes it is, you know the forum's traffic keep declining and in order to protect the current traffic, the forum need to not be strict, that's why many plagiarist didn't get banned except they keep repeating the same mistake. Unlike in 2018-2019, if you only copy one sentence, you could get permanent banned.

The prize is given by administrator, someone who can access everything, so if they didn't bother about it, we can say it's allowed as long as they didn't get caught.

[joker_josue]

Without knowing who the alt is, it is difficult to take more specific measures. It will then be up to whoever manages the competitions and campaigns to decide whether to accept your participation or not.

Is there by any chance a topic that lists all the alt accounts that have already been identified? I know that alt accounts are not prohibited, but it could be a useful list for those who manage some of these Activities within the forum.

[Nwada001]

Yes it is, you know the forum's traffic keep declining and in order to protect the current traffic, the forum need to not be strict, that's why many plagiarist didn't get banned except they keep repeating the same mistake. Unlike in 2018-2019, if you only copy one sentence, you could get permanent banned.

Traffic is declining, which I also believe is part of the reason why the moderators are being lenient with their judgement these days, but that doesn't mean all rule breakers can get the same judgement, as they might definitely want to abuse those privileges.

The prize is given by administrator, someone who can access everything, so if they didn't bother about it, we can say it's allowed as long as they didn't get caught.

Since the forum is not against Altaccount only abusing, it is what the forum and its members don't consider likely. If the account in question only participated in the contest with one account, I don't think there is anything wrong with that unless it has been proven otherwise that both accounts are in the same contest, and until proven, the person will definitely be walking free.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Is there by any chance a topic that lists all the alt accounts that have already been identified? I know that alt accounts are not prohibited, but it could be a useful list for those who manage some of these Activities within the forum.

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2024 Q2) [MODERATED] 🤨🔬

But most of the ones listed there are bounty hunters, and there are some cases where we don't know whose alts they are, as in this airfinex case. In other words, we have a thread but it does not help us to solve the problem posed by the OP.

[lovesmayfamilis]

You can check accounts that may be alternatives to airfinex. I think he belongs to the Russian local section, as several posts were written in Russian, and he also claims to be a native Russian speaker. Also, check who of the Russian speakers is currently participating in the signature companies. Maybe there are some coincidences? But yes, they always say that "if not caught, no crime,"  and he knows very well how to avoid being caught.

[JeromeTash]

Participating using alt accounts would be considered cheating, and if a few alt accounts were caught up in that mix, I am pretty sure the DT members would tag the accounts. The problem here is you haven't identified the alt account or main account of the culprit, and we can't even be sure if it also participated in the contest. So, the guy is "innocent" until proven guilty.

[Oshio-man]

To me, using alt accounts to participate in such competition that is drawing many people attention to watch, what is happening in the forum and they discovered that there are many alt accounts in the competition, I think it will reduce the value of the forum, if there is a law or rule that allow alt accounts to participants in such forum awards, nothing wrong about that because the people that set up the rules and regulations that governed the forum knew that such thing will come up like this in this meta board.

[joker_josue]

Is there by any chance a topic that lists all the alt accounts that have already been identified? I know that alt accounts are not prohibited, but it could be a useful list for those who manage some of these Activities within the forum.

Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2024 Q2) [MODERATED] 🤨🔬

But most of the ones listed there are bounty hunters, and there are some cases where we don't know whose alts they are, as in this airfinex case. In other words, we have a thread but it does not help us to solve the problem posed by the OP.

It doesn't help, but it makes checking easier.
I thought of a topic, but in a list format and not a presentation of evidence. But, of course, I can't say someone is alt without proof.

Now we would compile this information. I saw that there was a file, but it hasn't been updated in over 2 years.

[Upgrade00]

If it can be proven that the main account enrolled in the contest, they should be both be eliminated if the rules are against multiple applications. The contest manager can make a decision outside this based on their discretion.

Yes it is, you know the forum's traffic keep declining and in order to protect the current traffic, the forum need to not be strict, that's why many plagiarist didn't get banned except they keep repeating the same mistake. Unlike in 2018-2019, if you only copy one sentence, you could get permanent banned.

We should not keep dishonest users on the forum to pump up traffic and I doubt the admin will take that approach to keep more users. Rule breakers reduce the quality of conversations and push out quality users.

If there is a drop in strictness it may be because some harsh judgements were meted out in the past.

[KingsDen]

Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

[dkbit98]

Pizza contest does not allow participants to make multiple submissions but you can't prove what was his other account or if he participated in this contest.
I don't see anything wrong with him winning something and having pizza icon in his profile.
If you have any proof of cheating post if here, if not than this is just personal stuff because you don't like each other.

[Adbitco]

Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

I think the same but since it's not proven to have any case because I believe people who had case could be take to reputation, but here is just a kind of suggestions to be yet concluded and there is no case attached to it that true against the user.

[Quickseller]

This thread is in meta, so I will answer from the perspecive of forum policy.

For any question about allowing alt accounts doing x, the answer is yes this is allowed. The only exception to this is when someone is banned, as the offical policy is to not create an alt account to evade a ban. In practice however, if you are evading a ban, and are not otherwise causing problems, you will most likely be ignored. The most profilic trolls and spammers will have more resources put into finding and banning any alt accounts when they are banned.

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

[SamReomo]

There's high chance that airfinex is an alt account but so far there's no proof that it's actually an alt account or not. Because as a matter of fact, no one yet admitted that it's their alt account or no one yet found that whose alt account it could be.

I believe alt accounts are officially allowed on this forum but using alt accounts to participate in events multiple times isn't allowed. However, we don't yet know if he/she has participated in that awards from his original account.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Maybe there are some coincidences? But yes, they always say that "if not caught, no crime,"  and he knows very well how to avoid being caught.

...and no crime? No prosecution! Meticulously playing his cards and hoping he doesn't get noticed.. I've never thought about that user to be an Alt - since, throughout the period when ratimov's case was a hot topic on the RP board, i wasn't really active.

Whatever happens, we dunno the user behind that account... We gotta watch out for any other steps, decisions, source of interest and  activity; if we could tell his interest in contest and bounties as well, we could align the same with a user from the same LB..
Remember, this remains an allegation until it's ascertained.

The forum is a very strong believer of free speech and freedom in general. The ability to create alt accounts is necessary to allow free speech. If you limit what an alt account is able to do, you are in effect limiting free speech.

oh c'monnn Quicky, this ain't even about free speech... Someone' has a maneuver to cheat in competitions and you're covering their ass?

[God Of Thunder]

Awards like Bitcoin pizza day, community awards etc. Do we allow alt accounts to participate?

The forum does not have any rules regarding alt accounts. So, the contest organizer should create local rules for their award, giveaways, and contests. Participating in a competition with multiple accounts is forbidden, and this is written in most contest threads. Even if it's not written anywhere, the participants should know it's frowned upon. But your question was not that.

If the contest organizer does not want to allow alternative accounts, even known or suspected ones, they can do so. But there will be a lot of drama then. People will start fighting that I am not an alternative account, while some of them are obviously alt accounts. The whole point of my post is that the contest organizer has to set the rules.

[Ojima-ojo]

Is this not supposed to be in reputation board?

I think the same but since it's not proven to have any case because I believe people who had case could be take to reputation, but here is just a kind of suggestions to be yet concluded and there is no case attached to it that true against the user.

I have read a few thread from the user in the past and all were accusations without any possible evidence and none of the thread he created really worth it or arrived at any positive conclusion that exposes those that he accused, also I think he was the one that created a thread calling stake signature participants of being all spammers, which lead to alot of comments in the last couple of month's ago.


From that thread I have place that user on my ignore list, at least if he is not breaking forum rules and having the right to be here, it is worth ignoring because he is going to be around for a while until his games are off I advice everyone to do same too if you fine the user offensive in his approach.