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August 20, 2024, 06:24:24 AM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
You are not wrong in this case because have helped you friend to stay on the safe track when gambling, if you do not decide to ask him out and stop the prolonged betting, something bad could happen.
Maybe he thinks to be able to make more wins and collect some money if he still has luck, but if not, it can also result in big loss and spend everything he has earned.
Moreover, if something bad really happens and loses all the money, it can trigger an emotional increase that can lead him to go further by using other additional money to bet again, in conditions like this it will be difficult for him to stop.
In this context, I quite salute you who still care about other people or it is you own friend.

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August 20, 2024, 06:35:11 AM
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You did the right thing. Whatever he thinks next is up to him. You just want him to take home the winnings and that's the best choice against the house.

Now, if he wants to get back there, don't stop him. You've done your part and you won't be the one being blamed if he loses it all when he returns to the gambling area. I say he might even tell you that he should've listened to you in the first place.
There are people who get greedy whenever they feel they are lucky and your friend is an example of that. He thinks he knows what he is doing but greed is clouding his judgement.

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August 20, 2024, 06:35:50 AM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Do you think he was gambling more than he could afford to lose? If he was gambling within his income, there is nothing wrong with playing more games. But if your observation was that he was becoming greedy and gambling more than he could afford, then your action is justifiable.

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Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Gambling outcomes as unpredictable. The answer to this question will only be revealed after he had finished gambling. He might lose more, win more, or be in a state of equilibrium.

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Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
If he had more money, he might continue to cover his losses. He might walk home if unluckily lost all he had won. His reaction will be solely based on how he feels.

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August 20, 2024, 06:38:23 AM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

there is always a chance to win bigger. but you certainly know that there is also a possibility that your friend will lose everything. and I am sure that is what is on your mind.
your decision is right to invite your friend to go out. maybe your friend does not know the risks or maybe your friend is ready to lose.
I want to know how your friend usually behaves when he loses. is it normal for a regular gambler, or maybe he is quite emotional?

it doesn't matter if he will play again or not. but what you did to your friend must have created a new thought and understanding regarding how he should be calm in gambling.

I think your friend is lucky to have you when at the casino.

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August 20, 2024, 06:43:48 AM
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You did the right thing. Whatever he thinks next is up to him. You just want him to take home the winnings and that's the best choice against the house.

Now, if he wants to get back there, don't stop him. You've done your part and you won't be the one being blamed if he loses it all when he returns to the gambling area. I say he might even tell you that he should've listened to you in the first place.
There are people who get greedy whenever they feel they are lucky and your friend is an example of that. He thinks he knows what he is doing but greed is clouding his judgement.

Unfortunately, that's true. It's essential to learn from the sessions where greed is tempting us to give our prize back to the house, even if that is regretable in your mind because you could win more - it's not like that, usually.

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August 20, 2024, 06:59:03 AM
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Days ago with my friend, we stepped out to play
a local game (Epele or draft) when we got there people where playing and when it gets to his turn he start playing and win, then I played with him he also wins me then someone looked and say you can't come here to start pulling out people from the board therefore "I must win you", like a joke he won and my friend stepped down. Long story short..

Fast forward... Our way going, then i decided to go check on person in a local gambling shop, we both stepped inside together, he went straight to seat while I was discussing with the staff there. At some point he was pushed to gamble, though our intention is never to gamble just to see someone and continue going home, he then say see "guy let me try luck to see if I can double my money" he then decided to play virtual.

On the process he then pick 4 match and stake with 200, and then pick another 4 matches and stake with another 200 which is a total of 400, he lost one ticket and the other tickets wins he then stake with 200 again into two he won all. So he ended up winning 3 times he wanted to stake the 4th one, what I did was to lift him outside and draw him from gambling more.

On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.

Your kind is rare as a friend as per say some will definitely watch you stake with all you have and you either win or loose all of it,but you have done well and reminded him that no matter what he mustn't gamble with everything.

I know it's really hard for alot gamblers to understand that in the brisk of winning there's always a control button that says to you don't stop but you ought to know that.

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August 20, 2024, 07:35:43 AM
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On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.
I think he was being greedy,from the games he played so far he was able to win big but was not satisfied with it due to greed and overconfidence. He feels winning is just by his own gambling skill or understanding,  this is the type of gambler that will keep playing untill he lose all the money in gambling trying to make more money. Greed is the main reason why people lose so much in gambling because their is no guarantee for one to win more games when continuing to gamble.
I think you helped him to secure is money by stopping him from playing because their won't be no how for him not to lose because it is easy to lose money in gambling when you play more.

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You seem to come up with some strange situations and they all seem entirely made up. On the off chance it is true and he was so hooked on gambling, you simply slowed the process down slightly because they would make themselves back there regardless. Sometimes you simply have to let people make their own mistakes as it's only when they experience the pain associated with it they will stop. If they don't stop then you cannot do it for them - they will either cut you off and continue to do it, or they may even end up coming to you for money to continue it. The best you might hope for is to try and educate this person about the phenomenal odds that are stacked against them.

I am also sure that you shouldn't prevent a person from gaining his experience. The fact that the OP pulled him out that day doesn't mean taught him to be careful with his passion. The memory of a good game prevented from finishing remained in this person's head.
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You seem to come up with some strange situations and they all seem entirely made up. On the off chance it is true and he was so hooked on gambling, you simply slowed the process down slightly because they would make themselves back there regardless. Sometimes you simply have to let people make their own mistakes as it's only when they experience the pain associated with it they will stop. If they don't stop then you cannot do it for them - they will either cut you off and continue to do it, or they may even end up coming to you for money to continue it. The best you might hope for is to try and educate this person about the phenomenal odds that are stacked against them.

I am also sure that you shouldn't prevent a person from gaining his experience. The fact that the OP pulled him out that day doesn't mean taught him to be careful with his passion. The memory of a good game prevented from finishing remained in this person's head.
And what will he do next? He has an unfinished experience of victories, and now he will want to repeat it, knowing and remembering that he was lucky. And until he learns to stop on his own, all other warnings will only further incite his passion for the game.

Yeah, a dialogue about is needed too to reach the needed effect. At least a dialogue, I mean Grin

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I would get pissed if my friend lift me out like that, he can just warn me to stop gambling and I will decide if I will leave or not, warning is all you should have done OP, lifting feels like disrespect for me but for your friend it seems he was angry for stopping him.

You are a good friend indeed and any gambler that use the word that they know what they are doing are stupid because no one knows what they are doing when gambling, that's why its a game of luck, all you know how to do and control is the money you decide to risk on gambling, everything else depend on luck.

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Days ago with my friend, we stepped out to play
a local game (Epele or draft) when we got there people where playing and when it gets to his turn he start playing and win, then I played with him he also wins me then someone looked and say you can't come here to start pulling out people from the board therefore "I must win you", like a joke he won and my friend stepped down. Long story short..

Fast forward... Our way going, then i decided to go check on person in a local gambling shop, we both stepped inside together, he went straight to seat while I was discussing with the staff there. At some point he was pushed to gamble, though our intention is never to gamble just to see someone and continue going home, he then say see "guy let me try luck to see if I can double my money" he then decided to play virtual.

On the process he then pick 4 match and stake with 200, and then pick another 4 matches and stake with another 200 which is a total of 400, he lost one ticket and the other tickets wins he then stake with 200 again into two he won all. So he ended up winning 3 times he wanted to stake the 4th one, what I did was to lift him outside and draw him from gambling more.

On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.
You have done nothing wrong adbitco. Your friend is just a narcissistic gambler that finds his own fault to the others. It's nice that you're there because what might happen could've been worse if you're not there with him. And if he had won a lot, I don't think that he'll stop, he's already into it and the very first step that he's got in there, he knows that he's staying for a while. Don't feel bad if you are thinking like that and that's why you've shared it here. Next time, if that friend of yours ask you as his companion to his journeys just learn to say NO and let him go elsewhere and wherever he would like to go. That will be the last time for me if I am his friend because of that yelling. I can tolerate him with gambling decisions but yelling at me is something I wouldn't let pass.

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August 20, 2024, 12:52:16 PM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
You are not his father. You should let him decide for himself; you did not respect him by doing that; you can just warn him, but lifting him is a big disrespect.
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Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
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Again, if he loses all the money won, do you think he would continue or stop?
It's his money, so he can do whatever he wants. You can only advise him to stop and warn him about the outcome, and you can lose your friendship if he finds you annoying, so you better employ diplomacy.

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August 20, 2024, 01:05:17 PM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.

You did a good thing dragging him outside. Other wise he would have lost all the money he had won for that day. I think greed was already a part of his game from the start. He won the draft continuously and didn't want to stop until someone won him. He was also tempted to play virtual in the next stop because he wanted to multiply his !money even more. That's already greed playing on him. Probably if he continued playing he would have lost all he won back to them. And he would go home sad. He just became too greedy at the start and if not you he would go home with nothing.

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August 20, 2024, 01:14:32 PM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?

You did the right thing and before everything will go to worse its better to go away while everything is fine.

Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?

No, that doesn't guarantee any consistent win. If he choose to continue then became more greedy for gains, provably he might end up losing those gains and encounter huge negatives in his side which commonly happening in gambling scene.

Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

Depends if he want to chase his losses then provably he might continue. But if he's been hurt with the losses he get then don't have money to spend then automatically he would quit and try again next time.

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August 20, 2024, 01:17:40 PM
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Days ago with my friend, we stepped out to play
a local game (Epele or draft) when we got there people where playing and when it gets to his turn he start playing and win, then I played with him he also wins me then someone looked and say you can't come here to start pulling out people from the board therefore "I must win you", like a joke he won and my friend stepped down. Long story short..

Fast forward... Our way going, then i decided to go check on person in a local gambling shop, we both stepped inside together, he went straight to seat while I was discussing with the staff there. At some point he was pushed to gamble, though our intention is never to gamble just to see someone and continue going home, he then say see "guy let me try luck to see if I can double my money" he then decided to play virtual.

On the process he then pick 4 match and stake with 200, and then pick another 4 matches and stake with another 200 which is a total of 400, he lost one ticket and the other tickets wins he then stake with 200 again into two he won all. So he ended up winning 3 times he wanted to stake the 4th one, what I did was to lift him outside and draw him from gambling more.

On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.

Is very funny OP, I can imagine the look on his face because I have seen guys who spend time playing the virtual game only to end up losing everything after given the chance to go with the one they have won. You can only drag him out of the betting shop for that particular moment but not forever because he must definitely go back to try again when you're not around to stop him.
You did well because at that point you saved him from losing the little he won and his reaction towards you is expected because at that time he only sees himself winning and winning but he forget that the losing moment is very near and he'll lose everything, well is good you played the part of a good friend.

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August 20, 2024, 02:06:20 PM
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I think there is nothing else I would say other than you are a very good friend and understand and also care about the various bad possibilities that could possibly befall your friend at that time which could very well cause an uncontrolled reaction, meaning that the action you took at that time was the right one.
Maybe we know that the ability to stop at the right time is something that every gambler must have, because with that ability a person will remain safe in a win or lose situation.

In that scenario I would say that if your friend continued to session 4 then yes of course he might be able to win again, but it is also very possible for him to lose, and when it turns out that in the end the result is really lost then I am sure it is very unlikely for him to stop and leave the betting shop, because the feeling of revenge will take over his mind and of course it can lead him to a much worse situation.

Basically it is a fact that real victory is when you are able to cash out the results of the victory.

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August 20, 2024, 02:31:06 PM
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You know, people will appreciate you after you gone or you proved you're right.

In this case, even you did right thing, but your friend still think about the opportunity to make more money by gamble it. That's why he mad at you, he might don't want to gamble with you anymore. Don't worry about it, if he lose all of his money in the next gambling session or he become homeless, you will be the person that he remember for lifting him our from the casino.

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August 20, 2024, 02:37:53 PM
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But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?
Because greed is the eternal companion of all gamblers and it is the greed of gamblers that the casino manipulates.

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
This is a correct, truly friendly act, aimed at performing a good deed for his friend. Otherwise, he would lose all his winnings.

Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
He would have lost, because the longer you gamble, the higher the chances of losing (RTP 95%).

Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
He won't stop until he loses all the money he has with him. I've seen such cases before.

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August 20, 2024, 03:20:43 PM
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Days ago with my friend, we stepped out to play
a local game (Epele or draft) when we got there people where playing and when it gets to his turn he start playing and win, then I played with him he also wins me then someone looked and say you can't come here to start pulling out people from the board therefore "I must win you", like a joke he won and my friend stepped down. Long story short..

Fast forward... Our way going, then i decided to go check on person in a local gambling shop, we both stepped inside together, he went straight to seat while I was discussing with the staff there. At some point he was pushed to gamble, though our intention is never to gamble just to see someone and continue going home, he then say see "guy let me try luck to see if I can double my money" he then decided to play virtual.

On the process he then pick 4 match and stake with 200, and then pick another 4 matches and stake with another 200 which is a total of 400, he lost one ticket and the other tickets wins he then stake with 200 again into two he won all. So he ended up winning 3 times he wanted to stake the 4th one, what I did was to lift him outside and draw him from gambling more.

On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.
On a second thought, maybe you would just left your friend to continue gambling, since he was obviously yelling at you as you guys were on your way back, since he clearly cannot see the good deed you did for him.

You played a fantastic role as a friend, he had already won some games, in fact he even doubled the money he initially started staking with, so it was the right time to go after all, it wasn't something you guys planned.
OP, your story helps to illuminate the fact that greed is one of the major factors affecting the growth of some gamblers.

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August 20, 2024, 03:31:07 PM
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This is a very hard condition.

Something that you feel right isn't always right for other people, especially in gambling where we have our own risk management. I can accept to lose $10 and looking to earn $50, while my friend might able to take risk to lose $100 and looking to earn $1K.

Can't really say that you're done completely correct, although in some context you're right.

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