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August 26, 2024, 02:19:26 PM
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He will understand what you did later on because you know what it's like to lose a lot of money from gambling. He is tempted to think that he can make money out of gambling because he is on the run and winning, but there will be a point when he will run out of luck.

You did the right thing. He is becoming too greedy, and becoming too greedy will lead you to lose a lot. He will thank you later.

The most challenging thing in gambling is to stop when you are winning. We are tempted to push our luck when luck is something that happens, not something we have.

Temptation is high, but our discipline should be even higher.

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August 26, 2024, 02:37:23 PM
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Days ago with my friend, we stepped out to play
a local game (Epele or draft) when we got there people where playing...
I feel nostalgic at the mention of draft (draughts/checkers) as it used to be my favourite game growing up. It's still till date, though I haven't played it for a few years now. For me, I see it as a replica of Chess. Both of them demand critical thinking playing them.

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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Don't guilt trip on that. You didn't do any wrong by dragging him out of that scene. Your action was what any reasonable friend should do. By the way, if your friend was so sure of his winnings as he alleged, why didn't he increase his stakes in the few games he played on that day? That's what you should be asking him. Winning first two or three rounds wasn't a guarantee that he would win the next one if that was his consolation. But then, that has often been the mindset of gamblers.

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August 26, 2024, 02:56:50 PM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
That's the best thing you can do, besides that he already win. Imagine lossing those winnings plus your friend's capital will only give your friend more reason to gamble again and again to chase the loss. If your friend still complains for what you did until today or until you get together again, then there's really a problem to him. Without self-control people always ends up become broke.

He should be thankful to you as you got out from the gambling shop before he lost it all. We know that in the long run, the likelihood of losing is always greater than being a winner. So at that moment, he was in the positive side when you asked him to leave the shop. No one could tell if he will win more if he continued his games. For sure, if he lost all the money that he won, the tendency of playing more will always be there because he would want to chase his losses. Unless, he has no more money to fund his games. All in all, it was better for you to asked him leave the gambling premises while you were on the winning side. Most gamblers will go home broke because they usually continue their games up until they lost it all.

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August 26, 2024, 04:59:06 PM
Last edit: August 26, 2024, 05:11:31 PM by Sandra_hakeem
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You are a good friend. You have been following what we have been discussing on the gambling discussion board on this forum.
it's one thing to listen, but it's another different thing to put it into practice.... When he was overwhelmed by the fun and urge to keep wagering, that's it.... That's the feeling that ushers in a pile of tickets into your hands, removing almost everything in your pockets.

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
You haven't done anything wrong fo sure, just that sometimes, if they gotta allow their greed to override them, I'd allow him to his fate if he insisted.
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Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
There's a high chance that he would have requested for more funds even when he had nothing left in his wallets...The initial winning will only introduce a certain pattern to you that you'll definitely wanna keep trying.

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August 26, 2024, 05:11:54 PM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
That's the best thing you can do, besides that he already win. Imagine lossing those winnings plus your friend's capital will only give your friend more reason to gamble again and again to chase the loss. If your friend still complains for what you did until today or until you get together again, then there's really a problem to him. Without self-control people always ends up become broke.

He should be thankful to you as you got out from the gambling shop before he lost it all. We know that in the long run, the likelihood of losing is always greater than being a winner. So at that moment, he was in the positive side when you asked him to leave the shop. No one could tell if he will win more if he continued his games. For sure, if he lost all the money that he won, the tendency of playing more will always be there because he would want to chase his losses. Unless, he has no more money to fund his games. All in all, it was better for you to asked him leave the gambling premises while you were on the winning side. Most gamblers will go home broke because they usually continue their games up until they lost it all.
Imagine assuming u e OP did not follow his friend to the betshop, this is how he would continue gambling because he is winning and before you know it he will start losing and empty his bankroll before he will realized that he should have quitted the game earlier when he as winning.

OP, your friend will not appreciate what you did for him until another day that he will be alone gambling and the same thing will happen to him but you will not be there to save him, that is when he will be grateful to you on preventing him from gambling too much.

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August 26, 2024, 05:28:52 PM
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On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.
There's one answer that I know with this scenario. IT CAN GO BOTH WAYS
There's a chance that what you did was right, but there's also a chance that what you did was wrong. What if your friend is right that he could win more since he got the momentum already and winning that much money? What if you are right that your friend might lose his money after winning that much.

I mean this kind of scenario can go both ways because nobody knows what can happen into the future. It's good that you secured his winnings by lifting him outside of that betting shop, and because of that, I can say that you're a good friend. On the other hand, what you did could spark some problems along the way, and there's a chance that he might not go with you when he's gambling because when he's winning, you could spoil all of his possible winnings by putting him outside. The answer to all of your question is "Nobody knows exactly what can happen" because like I said, it can go both ways.

Did you do something wrong? I don't think so because you're just protecting your friend for possible losing all of his money, and if I'm on your shoes, I might do the same thing as well.

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August 26, 2024, 05:46:09 PM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.
Actually this depends on the perspective but if you look at the conditions of the victory obtained I think you are not wrong for reminding and stopping your friend when he is in a condition that can be said to be quite ambitious because of the victory obtained. You know that in the end the 3 wins obtained could be lost if you continue to force to bet so the right decision is actually to bring and stop your friend when he is in such a victory.
But maybe for this decision it could disturb your colleague's emotions and it is very natural because seeing from what happened, he will definitely not accept when he is winning but is prohibited from continuing to gamble because he has gained ambition for gambling and thinks he will win again.

That is a behavior that I think is responsible friend and it is not a mistake even though surely your friend will be a little upset because he is under the influence of gambling but that is normal because I would also be a little upset if I won but stopped (when gambling using emotions because of lulling victory) but if you think further then of course your decision is the right thing.

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August 26, 2024, 06:01:20 PM
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On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?

Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?

I just wanted to know, maybe we can discussed to have fun while imputing your response.
There's one answer that I know with this scenario. IT CAN GO BOTH WAYS
There's a chance that what you did was right, but there's also a chance that what you did was wrong. What if your friend is right that he could win more since he got the momentum already and winning that much money? What if you are right that your friend might lose his money after winning that much.

I mean this kind of scenario can go both ways because nobody knows what can happen into the future. It's good that you secured his winnings by lifting him outside of that betting shop, and because of that, I can say that you're a good friend. On the other hand, what you did could spark some problems along the way, and there's a chance that he might not go with you when he's gambling because when he's winning, you could spoil all of his possible winnings by putting him outside. The answer to all of your question is "Nobody knows exactly what can happen" because like I said, it can go both ways.

Did you do something wrong? I don't think so because you're just protecting your friend for possible losing all of his money, and if I'm on your shoes, I might do the same thing as well.
You should know how much we have talked about gambling and winning /losing especially when someone wins huge amount the next is to exit the casino site and i can't be a dum who can't apply this rules and teaching over here, this shows that we aren't doing we are teaching here and expressing here because if i leave him to gambling and he finally lose money i might still be blamed for not resisting him to continue gambling and to avoid such scenario it would better i putted on such acts to stop him on time although i know that there could be possibilities of him winning much but then, in gambling the first and second winning are always trap to get entrapped into the gambling site to lose one bankroll.

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August 26, 2024, 06:39:52 PM
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Imagine assuming u e OP did not follow his friend to the betshop, this is how he would continue gambling because he is winning and before you know it he will start losing and empty his bankroll before he will realized that he should have quitted the game earlier when he as winning.

OP, your friend will not appreciate what you did for him until another day that he will be alone gambling and the same thing will happen to him but you will not be there to save him, that is when he will be grateful to you on preventing him from gambling too much.

The gambler should understand the game properly,because the game should be end with the winning.This was the major reason for the gambler to play for the longer period of time.To restart the game,the gambler should need of more money.If they end the game with the winning, the gambler will have money for the next game.If they end the game with the loss,they won’t have any dollars for the future game.Also the mindset of the gambler will be change to the bad wibe.The gambler experience may help the gambler to make the sudden win with their experience,but the patience is the needed one in the game changing moment.

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The gambler should understand the game properly,because the game should be end with the winning.This was the major reason for the gambler to play for the longer period of time.To restart the game,the gambler should need of more money.If they end the game with the winning, the gambler will have money for the next game.If they end the game with the loss,they won’t have any dollars for the future game.Also the mindset of the gambler will be change to the bad wibe.The gambler experience may help the gambler to make the sudden win with their experience,but the patience is the needed one in the game changing moment.

Gambling must be understood well before gambling. If one starts gambling without understanding gambling then he will never enjoy the joy of gambling. To enjoy the real joy of gambling we should understand gambling and then gamble.  .I've seen people who start gambling in new situations never do well because they don't understand the game of gambling which leads them to lose.

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September 08, 2024, 08:02:03 AM
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But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?
You are right and if you'd not moved him outside of the gambling shop, he might have lost his money back. No one stays too long with gambling in a session and goes home so happy especially if they had the initial luck.

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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Yes and No. No, because you did the right thing. Yes, because you didn't let him learn bitterly by experience. That would have silenced him instead of making a mouth and blaming you.

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Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
No one knows the outcome of gambling unless played.

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Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
He would have learned bitterly by then and know how to caution himself next time.

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September 08, 2024, 08:55:28 AM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
Nope, you did a good thing.
A gambler who is experiencing a big loss or is getting a big win, they will forget themselves and their minds will be dominated by the thought of wanting to get a bigger win. And gamblers who get big wins like that are very difficult to give advice through soft words and you do it in the right way to lift them from gambling.
Maybe at that time he will be angry with you, but after the anger is gone, he will definitely thank you if you save him from greed.

Sometimes to help a gambler you don't have to use soft words but you have to use actions.

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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
Nope, you did a good thing.
A gambler who is experiencing a big loss or is getting a big win, they will forget themselves and their minds will be dominated by the thought of wanting to get a bigger win. And gamblers who get big wins like that are very difficult to give advice through soft words and you do it in the right way to lift them from gambling.
Maybe at that time he will be angry with you, but after the anger is gone, he will definitely thank you if you save him from greed.

Sometimes to help a gambler you don't have to use soft words but you have to use actions.

That's true. In general, it's clear from the post that friendship with a gambler is hard. Look: if he loses in front of you, the gambler will blame you for not taking him away from this establishment. And if he wins, he will say that it's only his merit and he's a great guy.
As a result, it turns out that gamblers are mostly selfish people who will always find someone to blame, and are unlikely to praise anyone for their victory.

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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?

Your friend having won 3 games out of the four games he played was more than enough profit for the day, but like you did mentioned, he simply allowed greed to overtake him and you being a good friend tried to rescue him from possibly losing all that had previously won and maybe even more, but it's unfortunate he did not understand, but don't mind him and be proud of yourself for doing the right thing.

Some one like me wouldn't have bothered him when he refused to go home, I would have just left him there to gamble to his satisfaction, if at the end of the day, he end up winning even much more, I will gladly celebrate with him, but if he ended up losing all the money he had won previously,  and maybe even much more, as a friend, I will sympathize and console him for the loss, atleast, rhat will teach him a lesson next time.

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Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
Well, sorry but to be honest with you, this two questions are not really necessary, since none here aside from you know this friend you are talking about in person, you are the one close to the person in question, so you are in the best position to give the most accurate answers to this.

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September 08, 2024, 11:20:26 AM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
Nope, you did a good thing.
A gambler who is experiencing a big loss or is getting a big win, they will forget themselves and their minds will be dominated by the thought of wanting to get a bigger win. And gamblers who get big wins like that are very difficult to give advice through soft words and you do it in the right way to lift them from gambling.
Maybe at that time he will be angry with you, but after the anger is gone, he will definitely thank you if you save him from greed.

Sometimes to help a gambler you don't have to use soft words but you have to use actions.
It is sad to say that many gamblers never appreciate the help of other gamblers to protect them from addiction. As gamblers, one thing we should have to know is to control ourselves. It may not be easy, but I believe we can do it if we care for ourselves as well. Greediness has nothing good it gives to us but terrible losses. We have to keep in mind that we gamble not only to win the jackpot and money but also for us to enjoy whatever happens. And most of all, we know how to appreciate others' advice because some things they see might not we see personally. That is why we don't get angry but rather be thankful. 

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September 08, 2024, 11:50:02 AM
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Now I want to asked; Have I done wrong to have lift him from the gambling shop?
Also did you think he would win more if he had continued gambling?
Again, if he lose all the money won do you think he would continue or stop?
Nope, you did a good thing.
A gambler who is experiencing a big loss or is getting a big win, they will forget themselves and their minds will be dominated by the thought of wanting to get a bigger win. And gamblers who get big wins like that are very difficult to give advice through soft words and you do it in the right way to lift them from gambling.
Maybe at that time he will be angry with you, but after the anger is gone, he will definitely thank you if you save him from greed.

Sometimes to help a gambler you don't have to use soft words but you have to use actions.
It is sad to say that many gamblers never appreciate the help of other gamblers to protect them from addiction. As gamblers, one thing we should have to know is to control ourselves. It may not be easy, but I believe we can do it if we care for ourselves as well. Greediness has nothing good it gives to us but terrible losses. We have to keep in mind that we gamble not only to win the jackpot and money but also for us to enjoy whatever happens. And most of all, we know how to appreciate others' advice because some things they see might not we see personally. That is why we don't get angry but rather be thankful.
Agree with you, As a gambler it is very important to always keep yourself under control, and always have confidence in yourself, and keep your spirits up. Greed and addiction will never give you positive results, they are always negative. Once you get addicted to gambling it will only lead you to losses. Moreover, due to addiction, many times we do not realize our own mistakes, and when others realize those mistakes, they warn us, so we should be grateful to them, not angry. And their advice should be followed and gambling should be viewed only as a pastime and not as a means of earning money. It only leads us to harm.

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September 08, 2024, 11:53:08 AM
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He will understand what you did later on because you know what it's like to lose a lot of money from gambling. He is tempted to think that he can make money out of gambling because he is on the run and winning, but there will be a point when he will run out of luck.

You did the right thing. He is becoming too greedy, and becoming too greedy will lead you to lose a lot. He will thank you later.

The most challenging thing in gambling is to stop when you are winning. We are tempted to push our luck when luck is something that happens, not something we have.

Temptation is high, but our discipline should be even higher.
Taking him away from that gambling shop is a mean of instilling discipline on him truly he could have been tempted to continue to gamble more due to greediness consequently might ended up losing all his already won bets, this is common and rampant among gamblers it's a like a spirit tempting them to continue betting with guarantee of winning streak whereas it's just a spirit of addiction, this is a more lesson learnt here and that is how addiction to gambling is started if caution or discipline is not imbibed on any gambler to stop it is very disastrous.

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September 08, 2024, 12:12:21 PM
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He will understand what you did later on because you know what it's like to lose a lot of money from gambling. He is tempted to think that he can make money out of gambling because he is on the run and winning, but there will be a point when he will run out of luck.

You did the right thing. He is becoming too greedy, and becoming too greedy will lead you to lose a lot. He will thank you later.

The most challenging thing in gambling is to stop when you are winning. We are tempted to push our luck when luck is something that happens, not something we have.

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Taking him away from that gambling shop is a mean of instilling discipline on him truly he could have been tempted to continue to gamble more due to greediness consequently might ended up losing all his already won bets, this is common and rampant among gamblers it's a like a spirit tempting them to continue betting with guarantee of winning streak whereas it's just a spirit of addiction, this is a more lesson learnt here and that is how addiction to gambling is started if caution or discipline is not imbibed on any gambler to stop it is very disastrous.

You are right, but the fact is that the friend might keep wondering what could've happened if he was left playing an additional round, and that makes him not any good either. I think that it is important to learn a lesson by oneself. On the other hand, the OP was a good friend, but is it worth being shouted in the way back home (and possibly also in future) for wanting to do a favor to a friend?

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September 08, 2024, 12:29:44 PM
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Don't guilt trip on that. You didn't do any wrong by dragging him out of that scene. Your action was what any reasonable friend should do. By the way, if your friend was so sure of his winnings as he alleged, why didn't he increase his stakes in the few games he played on that day? That's what you should be asking him. Winning first two or three rounds wasn't a guarantee that he would win the next one if that was his consolation. But then, that has often been the mindset of gamblers.
There are times that gamblers are drowned by their belief that they have a lucky strike ongoing and that a friend of his must be feeling that moment which is why he cannot stop.

You are right, a reasonable friend will drag him out of there when he is winning and that's the best action that he could do, I don't think he should be blaming himself for doing the right thing.
Now, there are gamblers who would hate their friends for doing such a thing, in that case, that's on him. You are not responsible for what will happen next and if ever he blames you for losing the next time, tell him he should look for a new friend that will accommodate his gambling actions.

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September 08, 2024, 12:31:42 PM
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On our way going he started yelling at me that why did I lift him outside that he knows what he was doing, that he could had won more game and raised enough money for the day, maybe he could win huge amount.
But to me, the only thing I replied him is you are being greedy why would you allow greed to rollover you?
You took him there and you got him out. That’s should be your bone of contention. From what I find in the OP, it was your idea to go to the betshop and so, whatever the case was, it was always going to have its root with you. If the case was a lose, am sure your friend would have blamed it on you to have brought him in a gambling shop.

No need to feel bad about it, you just might have helped your friend save some money and that’s what friends do. He got his luck and it’s okay to be contented haven’t won few tickets.
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