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Byegambling.com is a platform created by a team with experience and insights in the field to raise awareness about gambling addiction and its dangers. On Byegambling, you can anonymously share your experiences with gambling addiction, receive support from others, or read others' stories and offer them support. Gambling addiction have been one virus that have destroyed alot of reputations in the past and present time and this can be traceable to indecipline in the part of the gambler that eventually becomes addicted because at some point, he should have seen some sign and withdrew back at least a bit. To that, fighting addiction also will be an individual fight although the possibility of external help is there to help the addict to over the power holding them down, but he, or she need to be determined to be able to make such a decision to quick by all means.
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August 21, 2024, 02:24:53 AM |
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I just opened your website and already found a user that talk about gambling addiction ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F08%2F21%2F71l5g.png&t=665&c=-OApn_oq0jifdw) So it basically a site to share a story with other right like Church story? I mean I like the idea but is your site only act as a middleman or forum or you add something else.
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August 21, 2024, 03:19:48 AM |
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we will add more applications.
I don't want email confirmation, Just enter a random email.
I like the idea to fight gambling addiction because we know that dealing with gambling addiction is not easy. We must have a strong will to change and cure our gambling addiction. If we have that strong will and help from our family, we can do that and will pass the hard situation. Yes, you need to add more things and application so that can attracts more people to comes and share what they know. If people find your site is useful for them, they will use that and cure their gambling addiction. When I clicked on the Suggestion and clicked the Read More, the page is not show the article but it redirected to other page. You need to fix this on every suggestions and add more suggestion to your page. It will be nice if your site is ready at the right time so many people will share they knowledge to helps other people.
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August 21, 2024, 04:08:18 AM |
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That’s a great initiative mate. But what concerns me is that the addicts knowingly won’t visit the site. They are so addicted to gambling that, they won’t take this good step to get help. If there was some section in the site where the family member of the addicts can visit and get help for their family members, then it would have been better. I liked the fact that you guys support multiple languages on the website. Upon further checking, I found that some are not manually translated and directed the google translated version is shown in the site. Please work on this and you are good to go.
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August 21, 2024, 05:15:36 AM |
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That’s a great initiative mate. But what concerns me is that the addicts knowingly won’t visit the site. They are so addicted to gambling that, they won’t take this good step to get help. If there was some section in the site where the family member of the addicts can visit and get help for their family members, then it would have been better.
I would say that it is an initiative that is not bad, as long as they keep improving. I liked the fact that you guys support multiple languages on the website. Upon further checking, I found that some are not manually translated and directed the google translated version is shown in the site. Please work on this and you are good to go.
Better use deepl.com, which is better than google translate, or even gpt chat, it is better than translators. Unless you find people who want to do or proofread the work for free. In the forum there is an alliance of translators, I don't know if they would help, since it is for a good cause.
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August 21, 2024, 07:56:36 AM |
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Byegambling.com is a platform created by a team with experience and insights in the field to raise awareness about gambling addiction and its dangers. On Byegambling, you can anonymously share your experiences with gambling addiction, receive support from others, or read others' stories and offer them support. Are you the official representative of this gambling site? Upon checking ? I find nothing new in your site but just another one that tries to show people their concern in gamblers but surely in the future the motive will reveal . I just opened your website and already found a user that talk about gambling addiction ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F08%2F21%2F71l5g.png&t=665&c=-OApn_oq0jifdw) So it basically a site to share a story with other right like Church story? I mean I like the idea but is your site only act as a middleman or forum or you add something else. we are not sure if those who posted are true story or just another site provided story .
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we are not sure if those who posted are true story or just another site provided story .
We can't be sure, but on the one hand I would like to point out that the vast majority of gamblers don't end up like the one in this story, fortunately, but on the other hand, whether this particular story is true or not, there are cases like this one that do happen, and that's why I think the creation of this site and everything that contributes to raising awareness is positive. The big problem for those who do not control their gambling behaviour is that they can lose a fortune in a very short time. They can squander an entire patrimony in no time, and even go into debt.
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August 21, 2024, 08:45:56 AM |
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So simply it’s like Bitcointalk forum that is just dedicated for gambling purposes. The UI/UX is still not that good since it looks like an outdated version website. Using the forum gambling discussion board itself or the reddit section for gambling addiction channel is much better than using your current version of website.
I think you should work on its appearance to make it pleasing to use for readers and sharers of their stories. Nevertheless your intention is good since gambling addiction is already increasing due to the popularity of online casino.
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August 21, 2024, 08:58:10 AM |
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people can share their gambling experiences and other people can reply. Everything is anonym That's ok, other people should be able to respond to a post and give their input and support. But talking live with someone who has understanding and compassion is something else entirely, and that's what will mean so much more to someone struggling with their demons. 24/7 live support can make a difference and really help someone. It may be difficult to do, it requires more people and full time, and if you really want your site to mean something to people, I doubt that without it people will come to your site, and even more difficult that without it you will be able to keep them there on the site and provide them what they need to fight their gambling addiction.
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August 21, 2024, 09:33:00 AM |
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Byegambling.com is a platform created by a team with experience and insights in the field to raise awareness about gambling addiction and its dangers. On Byegambling, you can anonymously share your experiences with gambling addiction, receive support from others, or read others' stories and offer them support. First and foremost, a warm welcome to the forum, but I am curious to know more on exactly how just sharing ones gambling experiences as an addict help that person become free from gambling addiction. I mean, I understand that addicts coming together to share their experiences, and what each one is possibly doing to become free from the addiction, can indeed inspire and motivate each one of them in their quest to become addict free, but this can only be effective for gamblers who are not yet deeply addicted to gambling. Gamblers who have become so used to gambling might need a stronger measures to ensure or guarantee their becoming free, and this where I want to ask if there are other stronger and stricter measures or tasks that gamblers can be asked to go through as a means to try to break them away from gambling?
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August 21, 2024, 09:58:29 AM |
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Byegambling.com is a platform created by a team with experience and insights in the field to raise awareness about gambling addiction and its dangers. On Byegambling, you can anonymously share your experiences with gambling addiction, receive support from others, or read others' stories and offer them support. First and foremost, a warm welcome to the forum, but I am curious to know more on exactly how just sharing ones gambling experiences as an addict help that person become free from gambling addiction. I mean, I understand that addicts coming together to share their experiences, and what each one is possibly doing to become free from the addiction, can indeed inspire and motivate each one of them in their quest to become addict free, but this can only be effective for gamblers who are not yet deeply addicted to gambling. Gamblers who have become so used to gambling might need a stronger measures to ensure or guarantee their becoming free, and this where I want to ask if there are other stronger and stricter measures or tasks that gamblers can be asked to go through as a means to try to break them away from gambling? First, read the homepage, and then visit the "Suggestions" section. When you find the content that suits you best, click the 'Read More' button to learn more.
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August 21, 2024, 10:44:28 AM |
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I find it ironic that you and your team are advertising an anti-gambling site in the gambling board of this forum. Anyway, I checked it out and the default language should be set to English(Not Hindi).
Also, the site itself simply offers some common advice which some posters above pointed out already which is why I don't really see the need for it.
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August 21, 2024, 11:36:41 AM |
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Byegambling.com is a platform created by a team with experience and insights in the field to raise awareness about gambling addiction and its dangers. On Byegambling, you can anonymously share your experiences with gambling addiction, receive support from others, or read others' stories and offer them support. Why is the title "byegambling"? Isn't it possible to stop addiction but still be able to gamble? Anyway, I think this is a great initiative for gamblers, but honestly, I don’t think it will help a lot of addicted gamblers. In my opinion, what they need is face-to-face interaction with experts who can help them heal from their problem. How about in the forum? I think we can also share anonymously here.
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August 21, 2024, 11:52:47 AM |
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Byegambling.com is a platform created by a team with experience and insights in the field to raise awareness about gambling addiction and its dangers. On Byegambling, you can anonymously share your experiences with gambling addiction, receive support from others, or read others' stories and offer them support. First and foremost, a warm welcome to the forum, but I am curious to know more on exactly how just sharing ones gambling experiences as an addict help that person become free from gambling addiction. I mean, I understand that addicts coming together to share their experiences, and what each one is possibly doing to become free from the addiction, can indeed inspire and motivate each one of them in their quest to become addict free, but this can only be effective for gamblers who are not yet deeply addicted to gambling. Gamblers who have become so used to gambling might need a stronger measures to ensure or guarantee their becoming free, and this where I want to ask if there are other stronger and stricter measures or tasks that gamblers can be asked to go through as a means to try to break them away from gambling? First, read the homepage, and then visit the "Suggestions" section. When you find the content that suits you best, click the 'Read More' button to learn more. Thanks very much for the heads-up, I admit I have actually visited the site before posting my comment, but the comment was not about what information is available on your site, but completely centered on the information you provided in the op as it concerns your services. Anyways, I will do well to check out the site, catch up on some the vital informations later on, and if there be anything I need to know again, I definitely won't hesitate to ask it here. I find it ironic that you and your team are advertising an anti-gambling site in the gambling board of this forum. Anyway, I checked it out and the default language should be set to English(Not Hindi).
Also, the site itself simply offers some common advice which some posters above pointed out already which is why I don't really see the need for it.
Well, if what they are focused on is to see how they can help addicted gamblers come out from their addiction, then I wouldn't take them to be an anti-gambling site, that's a wrong assumptions, because even casinos (reputable ones) won't hesitate to ban a user (their user) when and if they discover that the user is a problem gambler, which is their own way of helping such user to stay off gambling as a way to cure his or her addiction.
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Any gambler who has been consistent in this gambling board of bitcointalk.org forum where OP is promoting an anti-gambling addiction site would not see anything new with the site because all the information they need to live a healthy gambling lifestyle is already here. I do not think that a gambling addict who is finding it difficult to completely heal from his addictions here will get anything different from another site with a community of gamblers with same goal like bitcointalk forum.
The only remedy is for the addict to make up his mind to follow every good suggestions and recommendations given to him so he can heal faster whether he uses the site or not. Otherwise, he will just enjoy the discussions in the platform without dealing with the problem that brought him there in the first place.
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It is awful. Black color don`t add some positive thoughts. To read such stories i don`t need to visit any site - here we see enough. And i don`t think that such site can help anybody - it is to depressing. My opinion - just forget this idea. I couldn`t find even one positive moment during the visit.
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August 21, 2024, 02:24:08 PM |
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It is awful. Black color don`t add some positive thoughts. To read such stories i don`t need to visit any site - here we see enough. And i don`t think that such site can help anybody - it is to depressing. My opinion - just forget this idea. I couldn`t find even one positive moment during the visit.
I agree its to dark and implicates something negative. Maybe they need to change it on more positive colors to light up the vibes of the reader and they don't get bothered by the black color themed in their site. But don't know if there are other people don't like that but I guess they need to improve their site to get more better interaction. Although the intention is good and somehow its a good site to read some stories about gambling addiction. Also yeah we can read a lot of stories here, but its good that there's a site dedicated unto this discussion and for sure we can learn a lot of things from reading those stories especially if there's a lot of people share their experience.
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August 21, 2024, 05:51:37 PM |
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Well, if what they are focused on is to see how they can help addicted gamblers come out from their addiction, then I wouldn't take them to be an anti-gambling site, that's a wrong assumptions, because even casinos (reputable ones) won't hesitate to ban a user (their user) when and if they discover that the user is a problem gambler, which is their own way of helping such user to stay off gambling as a way to cure his or her addiction.
Incorrect! This site is primarily designed to help gamblers who are addicted to gambling which is why it's an anti-gambling site. Also, sites don't ban gamblers who are addicted to gambling. That makes zero sense. They love such gamblers since they contribute productively towards their profit margins. Some sites offer self-exclusion protocols to help gamblers control their addiction.
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August 21, 2024, 05:55:09 PM |
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Well, if what they are focused on is to see how they can help addicted gamblers come out from their addiction, then I wouldn't take them to be an anti-gambling site, that's a wrong assumptions, because even casinos (reputable ones) won't hesitate to ban a user (their user) when and if they discover that the user is a problem gambler, which is their own way of helping such user to stay off gambling as a way to cure his or her addiction.
Incorrect! This site is primarily designed to help gamblers who are addicted to gambling which is why it's an anti-gambling site. Also, sites don't ban gamblers who are addicted to gambling. That makes zero sense. They love such gamblers since they contribute productively towards their profit margins. Some sites offer self-exclusion protocols to help gamblers control their addiction. I agree, I touched on that point. Unfortunately, I don't think they reviewed my platform.
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August 21, 2024, 07:23:54 PM |
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Op, I have gone through your site, just like some others have said I think your team as to work on adding suggestions where family, loved ones or friends could get tips on how to act when they have one suffering gambling addiction especially ways they could make these victims see themselves suffering from gambling addiction. Also I think you guys should work on your write-up since it seems more as being against casino rather than focusing on gambling platforms, also I don't know if you guys can guide those sharing their stories on format to write share it, since the only story shared there now and the write-ups made by you guys seems more as beng against gambling. I think this approach will make many problem gamblers not to even care much about your write-up and shared stories especially shared stories, from the fact that they have been hearing the words that gambling is bad/evil even maybe before they even started gambling but still choose to gamble. Instead of this approach I think if those who are going to share their/others stories will firstly speak about how they started gambling, then started following bad practices and couldn't see the mess they where falling to, until the fortunate event happened and things became regrettably clear for them. This will make others think of their gambling approach on when it is tending. Well, if what they are focused on is to see how they can help addicted gamblers come out from their addiction, then I wouldn't take them to be an anti-gambling site, that's a wrong assumptions, because even casinos (reputable ones) won't hesitate to ban a user (their user) when and if they discover that the user is a problem gambler, which is their own way of helping such user to stay off gambling as a way to cure his or her addiction.
Incorrect! This site is primarily designed to help gamblers who are addicted to gambling which is why it's an anti-gambling site. Also, sites don't ban gamblers who are addicted to gambling. That makes zero sense. They love such gamblers since they contribute productively towards their profit margins. Some sites offer self-exclusion protocols to help gamblers control their addiction. This is true though while they will potentially gain more from problem gamblers, I believe every gambling platform will also don't want to consider anything that is helping gambling addicts in overcoming their addiction at least publicly as something that's against them, in order not to seems evil to everyone including potential new/previous customers.
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