Time to rethink these feedback? Lightlord at it again for the umpteenth time.

[Poker Player]

About a year ago lightlord sent me a PM asking to reconsider the negative tag, and mentioned that he would launch a sig campaign with escrow, therefore ensuring participants are always paid.

He sent it to me too. And I'd say to The Skeptical Chemist as well.

I looked at his recent posts at the time and didn't see any such escrowed campaign being announced so I left the neg trust in place. It appears that he did indeed launch the campaign with escrow a few weeks later but I wasn't aware of it. Probably a good thing in hindsight LOL.

Ended as usual:

Update: Campaign is paused and as usual, post made for this week will be accounted for if (when) the escrow wallet gets refilled. I have already sent Lightlord a message and waiting on a positive feedback. Just for clarification, you're not mandated to make the minimum post when campaign is paused but this shouldn't make you inactive on the forum or you'll be sending a wrong message to me that you're only active here because of this signature campaign and you'll be dropped immediately I noticed that.

Update: This campaign has now stopped since no response has been received from Lightlord. You can now remove your signature and avatar and if the wallet gets refilled in the near future, the campaign will restart. Thank you all for the awesome weeks promoting this project.

Regards.

And never heard from again. I bolded “as usual” on the first quote because it was not the first time that the campaign was paused due to Lightlord not having refilled the escrow in time.

In other words, the same as usual.

[Pmalek]

The real question is: would he even care if he received additional negative feedback or a flag that comes with a big warning sign above his threads? I don't think he would. Nothing changed after he received his current negative tags. If the dude has physical or mental problems, then I am sorry to hear that. I hope he gets better. If not, maybe it's time to call it quits or hand over the keys to someone who is more fit to do the work.

One of my dad's old business partners suffered immensely after COVID in combination with the shots he took. He is now a dead man walking who has given up on life and cares about nothing anymore. Complications with the disease are real and some never really recover. But like others have said, it's not like Lightlord was fast in paying his debts even before the pandemic hit.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

About a year ago lightlord sent me a PM asking to reconsider the negative tag, and mentioned that he would launch a sig campaign with escrow, therefore ensuring participants are always paid.

He sent it to me too. And I'd say to The Skeptical Chemist as well.

I think I recall a PM from him and may in fact still have it somewhere in my inbox. 

There's a lot of rationalization going on here from members who probably wouldn't think twice about handing out a negative if this crap happened with a member who didn't have the (extremely damaged) reputation lightlord does.  Just my opinion here, but he ought to be judged by his actions the same as any other person would.  He's established a pattern of not giving a shit about people, and it really doesn't matter what may or may not be going on in his personal life.  That's all speculation anyway and a waste of brainpower and time to come up with hypothetical scenarios and such.  People should be warned about him; that's how we've always used the trust system, no?

[worldofcoins]

About a year ago lightlord sent me a PM asking to reconsider the negative tag, and mentioned that he would launch a sig campaign with escrow, therefore ensuring participants are always paid.

He sent it to me too. And I'd say to The Skeptical Chemist as well.

I think I recall a PM from him and may in fact still have it somewhere in my inbox. 

There's a lot of rationalization going on here from members who probably wouldn't think twice about handing out a negative if this crap happened with a member who didn't have the (extremely damaged) reputation lightlord does.  Just my opinion here, but he ought to be judged by his actions the same as any other person would.  He's established a pattern of not giving a shit about people, and it really doesn't matter what may or may not be going on in his personal life.  That's all speculation anyway and a waste of brainpower and time to come up with hypothetical scenarios and such.  People should be warned about him; that's how we've always used the trust system, no?

He was indeed late in his dues it can’t be denied but he always cleared it when he saw fit but I don’t think he has intention of scamming people. I don’t think a flag or negative trust is necessary in this case but if you think otherwise then nothing is stopping you from painting him red.

[LoyceV]

He's established a pattern of not giving a shit about people, and it really doesn't matter what may or may not be going on in his personal life.

The personal life thing mattered 3 years ago, when it suddenly became a problem.
Now, if it's still a problem, he should have ended his campaigns here instead of ignoring them. Or handed it over completely.

[worldofcoins]

He's established a pattern of not giving a shit about people, and it really doesn't matter what may or may not be going on in his personal life.

The personal life thing mattered 3 years ago, when it suddenly became a problem.
Now, if it's still a problem, he should have ended his campaigns here instead of ignoring them. Or handed it over completely.

Well that’s reasonable if he did it a lot of time then it becomes intentional.
The first time it happened he said it’s because of covid and second time brainboss (LL’s campaign manager) made a rule that without getting payment in advance he will not continue managing the campaign and it was a good move and reasonable if i am not wrong then in between LL was unable to pay most likely due to inactive/not caring (can’t blame him) since the campaign will not continue further without payment.

I don’t know about his website’s bankroll why he isn’t filling the hot wallet but people aren’t forced to play there.
I don’t think it’s a case of untrustworthy behaviour but of carelessness.

[LoyceV]

I don’t know about his website’s bankroll why he isn’t filling the hot wallet but people aren’t forced to play there.
I don’t think it’s a case of untrustworthy behaviour but of carelessness.

If someone owes me money and ignores me, I consider him untrustworthy. I know the feeling of having to wait for (significant) amounts of money, as it happened IRL. It may not be a concern to the person who has to pay, but waiting for your money and not knowing if you're getting scammed just feels bad.

Then again, lightlord has warning tags going back to the start of 2019 on his profile, so anyone still doing business with him should have known better by now.

[worldofcoins]

I don’t know about his website’s bankroll why he isn’t filling the hot wallet but people aren’t forced to play there.
I don’t think it’s a case of untrustworthy behaviour but of carelessness.

If someone owes me money and ignores me, I consider him untrustworthy. I know the feeling of having to wait for (significant) amounts of money, as it happened IRL. It may not be a concern to the person who has to pay, but waiting for your money and not knowing if you're getting scammed just feels bad.

Then again, lightlord has warning tags going back to the start of 2019 on his profile, so anyone still doing business with him should have known better by now.

Recently there was a case of some casino i think bcgame they didn’t pay him a player for a long time, he even contacted them via their support only after he opened a thread here he got his issue resolved it was over 5 mil if i am not wrong which he gambled while his funds were locked (did they get a neg for it I haven’t checked)
What if LL pays all his dues then will his feedback be removed?

There are various other casinos that do something similar withholding someone’s money and ask for kyc and takes weeks or months to solve it, is it also untrustworthy behaviour?
There are various cases against popular casinos that repeat this behaviour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496997.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465677.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474855.120

There are cases against their another website “primedice” where a support asked a player to lose money before getting unbanned and no one did anything against them.. is it because they they hired a bunch of elite members and people are scared to go against them and losing their position in the campaign. That case isn’t resolved yet and they are running clean.

Duelbits case: https://casino.guru/duelbits-casino-player-s-account-has-been-closed.

It’s sad how rules are made for different individuals, if we look at LL’s case then it’s nothing compared to what these other casinos are doing but does anyone have guts to do something about it.
The accounts of the casinos above should’ve been painted red by now if we follow the same standards we are following for LL

[examplens]

He's established a pattern of not giving a shit about people, and it really doesn't matter what may or may not be going on in his personal life.

The personal life thing mattered 3 years ago, when it suddenly became a problem.
Now, if it's still a problem, he should have ended his campaigns here instead of ignoring them. Or handed it over completely.

I think this is the (minimum) third drama about LL and his nopayment thing.
A sudden problem can happen to anyone, but if it happens repeatedly, then you simply don't do long-term jobs that involve a large number of people and require your regular presence.
However this ends, LL should definitely withdraw from this business that he insists on.

[dkbit98]

The real question is: would he even care if he received additional negative feedback or a flag that comes with a big warning sign above his threads?

I don't think so.
It would be best for everyone if he could come up clean and finally end his campaign business after paying back money what he needs to pay.
I wouldn't trust him to run any campaign nor would I join any of his campaigns, but I also won't give him negative feedback now.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I was in his 777 Coin campaign 4 or 5 years ago and he pulled the same stunt back then. I’m sure it was over 3 months and I actually reached out to The Sceptical Chymist for some advice, he helped me make it public which pressured lightlord to pay us.

I wouldn’t trust lightlord at all to be honest, seems he only pays these long delays when reputable posters here start to red tag him. There’s always some BS excuse with him. Running a business like this really isn’t a good idea.

[worldofcoins]

If someone owes me money and ignores me, I consider him untrustworthy. I know the feeling of having to wait for (significant) amounts of money, as it happened IRL. It may not be a concern to the person who has to pay, but waiting for your money and not knowing if you're getting scammed just feels bad.

I did lent money to a few people in the past which I didn’t get back to a few i told don’t need it when i saw they couldn’t send it it. But an african friend did gave me the amount i was owed (this was when i was in uni).
Then there was one classmate asked for my number in class and called me in the evening asking for a few bucks with reason(“I need it to pay it for an application form my credit card is not working, he was indeed from a different region”) it was not a big amount so i gave it to him thinking he was in need so i should help him.
I didn’t ask him for money for a few months until me and my friends were out to watch a movie.. I called him and asked him for the money he gave me bs excuses.. his credit cards are not working, etc and asked me to verify it.

To my wonder a friend told me he also asked for money from other people the same way and he called his. They convinced him then he paid him back. The person who paid back told me who asked him to pay back is a “Sweet knife” 😂

We met again at a restaurant and he asked me to join him on a business but i had other plan a bad feeling about working with him, he will cheat for sure in the business so I refused without telling him the reason, he looked sad, we shook hands and that was the last time i saw him. I think he will get in trouble someday with behaviour not to mention he was also got beaten by some by guys in the campus for some reason.

Well, experience with everyone is different and it’s hard to tell who to trust in short term.

[LoyceV]

I didn’t ask him for money for a few months until ~

This is indeed the next problem: having to ask for your own money is annoying, and I think many people are even reluctant to ask their own money back.
Not paying people without them asking or waiting for it just shows bad character.

[DaveF]

.....However this ends, LL should definitely withdraw from this business that he insists on.

.....Running a business like this really isn’t a good idea.

I know I said it above here and I have said it before about other users that pulled things like this. It really does not, and has not, for a while seem like he is running a business.
More like it's a hobby or side hustle that he deals with when he feels like it or has time to.

Using myself as an example, I am back into selling off some old collectables at the moment because I have time to deal with it now. Not because I need the BTC or because they are taking up too much space or for any other reason. It's just something that I feel it's time to do. If something comes up I only have 1 or 2 things out there at the moment and can take steps to be able to ship them quick and stop selling more for a while.

.....Due to the fact that I do a lot of field IT work getting to a post office during business hours is not always possible so things have sat in my car for weeks on end. I have had a 25 year old graphics card for a retro gaming system for someone in Korea sitting in my car for a couple of weeks now. I have known him since I was a teen so he does not care, but someone paying real money *should* get really annoyed with me for doing that.

100% different context but LL seems to be treating everyone the same way I was treating someone who did not care.

If I was one of the people in the collectables section who is moving dozens of items a month and treated people the way LL is doing you can bet I would have been negative tagged into oblivion.

-Dave

[worldofcoins]

I didn’t ask him for money for a few months until ~

This is indeed the next problem: having to ask for your own money is annoying, and I think many people are even reluctant to ask their own money back.
Not paying people without them asking or waiting for it just shows bad character.

The thing is these people will repeat the same thing again and again to different people, they move from places to places searching for new victims since old people already know about them. This is easy doing onlinr with different alias building trust, having multiple accounts (it’s not the case always sometime people use alts for privacy,etc too) most who make multiple accounts get greedy and can’t help themselves. A good old psychiatrist friend of mine told me something similar.

[Mahdirakib]

Refilling the hot wallet with a few days delay is something serious on a casino. Because gamblers usually lose their temper within a short time and lose their winnings by placing bets continuously. Someone has won 437 LTC on Bitvest on August 24, and still waiting to get his withdrawal as the hot wallet hasn't been refilled: Big wins on Bitvest!! Calling the attention of Lightlord

Lightlord need to be tagged and blamed if the user lose a small part of his winnings while he is waiting for the hot wallet to be refilled.

[Poker Player]

Refilling the hot wallet with a few days delay is something serious on a casino. Because gamblers usually lose their temper within a short time and lose their winnings by placing bets continuously. Someone has won 437 LTC on Bitvest on August 24, and still waiting to get his withdrawal as the hot wallet hasn't been refilled: Big wins on Bitvest!! Calling the attention of Lightlord

Lightlord need to be tagged and blamed if the user lose a small part of his winnings while he is waiting for the hot wallet to be refilled.

I just looked at that thread and 437 LTC is a pretty serious sum. I remember last time the same thing already happened, with one of those who couldn't withdraw a large amount trying to bribe some staff to get the withdrawal processed, i.e. get his money paid out.

I think that the matter is enough for a type 2 flag, but the affected person would have to create it.

As I see bitvest.io has an average bankroll of almost 300 BTC, so it should not have any problem to pay those amounts.

[LoyceV]

Lightlord need to be tagged and blamed if the user lose a small part of his winnings while he is waiting for the hot wallet to be refilled.

If the user wins more, would you credit Lightlord?
What if he withdraws, and loses somewhere else, would you still blame Lightlord?

I think that the matter is enough for a type 2 flag, but the affected person would have to create it.

I'd say that depends on the site's Terms and Conditions. I wanted to read them, but can't find anything on the site. So I searched a bit, all I see is the site is anonymous. Does that mean the real owner is anonymous too? Just full old anonymity without complying to any regulation? How are they still online?
I'm just speculating here, but what if that's the reason Lightlord is more hands off nowadays?

[Poker Player]

I think that the matter is enough for a type 2 flag, but the affected person would have to create it.

I'd say that depends on the site's Terms and Conditions. I wanted to read them, but can't find anything on the site. So I searched a bit, all I see is the site is anonymous. Does that mean the real owner is anonymous too? Just full old anonymity without complying to any regulation? How are they still online?
I'm just speculating here, but what if that's the reason Lightlord is more hands off nowadays?

I haven't looked at the site in a while, but I am pretty sure it is unlicensed and non-KYC. So, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even have ToS. One of the style of the many that used to be back in the day. Lightlord being an OG I guess he still operates it Wild West style like they did a decade or so ago.

[LoyceV]

I haven't looked at the site in a while, but I am pretty sure it is unlicensed and non-KYC. So, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't even have ToS. One of the style of the many that used to be back in the day. Lightlord being an OG I guess he still operates it Wild West style like they did a decade or so ago.

That's why I'm surprised it's still online. All other Bitcoin casinos I know from "my early Bitcoin days" (which wasn't even that early) are either licenced now, or they closed.