OP* you have a responsibility: Gambling Board

[PowerGlove]

Bitcointalk governance is not efficient, it is not distributed and is bottle-necked with a central decision maker.

Yup, and that works to the forum's benefit more often than not, I think...

If every popular idea/suggestion were acted upon, then the forum would be a mess (more people might then "have" the things they've asked for, but viewed as a system, the forum would be full of internal inconsistencies and bad interactions, and the whole thing would end up being less than the sum of its parts).

[lovesmayfamilis]

To everyone, what do we all think this community would look like if the gambling board never existed? Or if it was nuked? Maybe @LoyceV or the-like ought to show us what member metrics like merit, activity and posts would look like if everything in the gambling board was excluded from the counts. I'd love to see the results...

Do you really think that people often get merits in the gambling section? To confirm this, you need to check several accounts, at least in the company's signature, that require numerous posts per week. All of them (most) were registered before the introduction of merits, and the fact that they now have high ranks is only a reflection of the time spent on the forum and not their received merits.

But yes, you can pay attention to those who chew over one topic with the same answers daily, although it would be possible to say everything in one post and never return to such a topic again.
as an example...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467454.msg64458498#msg64458498

[Perfectbaby]

I used to feel like people made topics in that board just to satisfy conditions for a signature campaign, but if that were the case users would be replying like crazy to bump their post counts.

I actually thought of this but if i may understand correctly gambling section is the most active sections and people do not just posting to increase their post count but posting since they always engaged themselves with gambling activities.
To reduce that then some managers needs to reduce their requirement for the week/post.

I think it would be better if managers vetted candidates better. Just looking at a profile and seeing that a user posts in the gambling section here and there is not good enough. Checking if the user is on topic and has a clue, not just posting to post would help.

It's not just a matter of reducing the amount of posts in the gambling section that's going to fix things in that section. Go look at who and how many are creating bullshit topics in that section with the sole purpose of creating posts in the long run. Lots of generic shit being asked and with each generic topic 50 replies or more are produced and 5+ in each topic come from the creator of the topic.

If it's accepted behavior, it will continue. If spam/shit topics aren't counted maybe it stops. Doubtful, but maybe.

You are very correct because of the time you would see incoherent post that is being formulated and rephrased by some users while they are actually meaning the same thing. But i will say that this could be very difficult to stop or neither will it reduce anytime soon since most of the casino's/gambling sites are being targeted posting in that section for exposure so i doubt that gonna stop soon or later but there should be orderliness and improvement.

But yes, you can pay attention to those who chew over one topic with the same answers daily, although it would be possible to say everything in one post and never return to such a topic again.
as an example...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467454.msg64458498#msg64458498

I also think the same but if understood correctly, this is what actually make the forum fun and people have freedom to post and discussion what they had in mind. I see that gambling board is one of the most active section in the forum here after some few boards and just imagine if that section weren't found here what could be the face of this forum, and what just matter is that gambling board isn't meant to be restrictive and strict since almost all the time gambler are all experience same thing and everyone with their experience they would always want to share and discussed what they have passed through while gambling. That fact that almost everyone loves sharing their experience in new topic and wouldn't want to post inside someone else topic and most of them as just what @yahoo62278 already said^.

[ABCbits]

I would like to see sample whether this occurrence actually happens on all boards or not. For example, we could take 100 most recently bumped thread (which have at least 20 replies) on each board and get percentage of how many threads where OP never make reply.

[BenCodie]

To everyone, what do we all think this community would look like if the gambling board never existed? Or if it was nuked? Maybe @LoyceV or the-like ought to show us what member metrics like merit, activity and posts would look like if everything in the gambling board was excluded from the counts. I'd love to see the results...

Do you really think that people often get merits in the gambling section? To confirm this, you need to check several accounts, at least in the company's signature, that require numerous posts per week. All of them (most) were registered before the introduction of merits, and the fact that they now have high ranks is only a reflection of the time spent on the forum and not their received merits.

But yes, you can pay attention to those who chew over one topic with the same answers daily, although it would be possible to say everything in one post and never return to such a topic again.
as an example...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467454.msg64458498#msg64458498

Yes. I think the top 100 - 10000 members in the forum by merit and by posts would look quite different without the gambling section. The reason for top 100 - 1000 is I don't think that it will wildly effect the top 100, more-so the next bracket of 100-1000+. I also think that the default merits awarded would not have awarded a lot of members who are of a higher rank than they should be. It just validates how far back the problem stems in my opinion. Though, that's my opinion. Would be good if someone whipped out the stats.

Bitcointalk governance is not efficient, it is not distributed and is bottle-necked with a central decision maker.

Yup, and that works to the forum's benefit more often than not, I think...

If every popular idea/suggestion were acted upon, then the forum would be a mess (more people might then "have" the things they've asked for, but viewed as a system, the forum would be full of internal inconsistencies and bad interactions, and the whole thing would end up being less than the sum of its parts).

Sure, there's pro's and con's to everything. Neither one is completely wrong or right. However, since Bitcoin is built on the foundations that it is, it would make more sense for the forum to be more open to community development and decision making rather than one single person or very small group of people.

One pro I will say about the system being the way it has been to-date, is that it creates the opportunity for a very good decentralized governance system due to the fact of how distributed the bitcointalk community is. A system built the right way, would go a long way.

[Smartvirus]

I think it would be better if managers vetted candidates better. Just looking at a profile and seeing that a user posts in the gambling section here and there is not good enough. Checking if the user is on topic and has a clue, not just posting to post would help.

some users truly have got no clue of what it is or means to gamble. Have never gambled in the past, aren’t interested in gambling nor do they participate in any gambling activities but, are forced to post on the gambling board because of campaign requirements. If you it were possible for managers to look up on that, it would bring some calmness to the board and people that really do enjoy bantering there.
It wouldn’t be an easy moderation but, when it’s by OP, by manager and moderators, some change to user’s attitude to the space can be archived.

[SatoPrincess]

The forum is primarily for bitcoin discussions, I don’t believe anyone here joined the forum to discuss gambling. It just so happens that Gambling is one of the other boards that’s there for users to discuss topics other than bitcoin and imo that makes the forum more interesting.

Every other topic seem to be about gambling addiction or the dark side of gambling and the responses on these threads are often repeated. IMO sports discussion are the only threads where people have organic discussions because we all have teams we supports and rival teams we love to banter. But because sport discussion threads usually become mega threads spammers can easily spam there. It will take a lot of effort for the OP to moderate the thread though a few gambling threads are self moderated and I have noticed signature spammers avoid posting there.

[Helena Yu]

The forum is primarily for bitcoin discussions, I don’t believe anyone here joined the forum to discuss gambling. It just so happens that Gambling is one of the other boards that’s there for users to discuss topics other than bitcoin and imo that makes the forum more interesting.

Every other topic seem to be about gambling addiction or the dark side of gambling and the responses on these threads are often repeated. IMO sports discussion are the only threads where people have organic discussions because we all have teams we supports and rival teams we love to banter. But because sport discussion threads usually become mega threads spammers can easily spam there. It will take a lot of effort for the OP to moderate the thread though a few gambling threads are self moderated and I have noticed signature spammers avoid posting there.

The forum is primarily for Bitcoin, but most users joined the forum to participate signature campaign, since the campaign ask to post in gambling board, they need to post on there which resulting high activity in gambling board.

The sports thread are also full of redundant discussion.

Spam happened in everywhere except the boards where the campaign didn't count, the moderators might not able to fight against spammers since there are too many. Then, they should give temporary ban instead.

[AbuBhakar]

OP reply is never a mandatory when he created a topic as long as the topic is not about personal questions that need follow up details from the OP itself.

I do create thread on gambling board but sometimes I just read replies and just lock the thread if I’m already satisfied to the feedback I get without the need to answer everyone since other user discussed to others that do the job for me for my inquiry

The only time I answer is when I see an interesting post that needs my reply or I’m still active by the time my thread gets a reply. This is not a problem at all since this is forum which means everyone can discuss to other user without the involvement of OP.

The forum is primarily for bitcoin discussions, I don’t believe anyone here joined the forum to discuss gambling. It just so happens that Gambling is one of the other boards that’s there for users to discuss topics other than bitcoin and imo that makes the forum more interesting.

There’s some users that use forum for gambling discussion purposes only. Gambling is so popular even back to the early days and forum is one of the best place to discuss about the casino they are playing.

[Findingnemo]

The forum is primarily for Bitcoin, but most users joined the forum to participate signature campaign, since the campaign ask to post in gambling board, they need to post on there which resulting high activity in gambling board.

Gambling board exists for very long period and if I am not wrong the first signature campaigns on this forum mostly related to Gambling/casino services that obviously tells us that casino is one of the place where Bitcoin is actually used for the payment while on most others it's just a digital assets.

Requirement of gambling posts also forced users to post on gambling board that obviously results into spam so there are primarily two reasons why people posts on gambling not just for signature campaigns.

[Z-tight]

There is lack of governance - or rather, poor governance. Good governance is efficient and distributed.

Not all of the time, the forum in itself is centralized and i don't see any real reason why that should change. In my honest opinion, Theymos runs the forum in the best possible way, with little or no interference and changes, in short: 'he does not fix what's not broken'.

There are so many suggestions that have been made during my time here, it is not possible to implement all of them, though a few have been implemented, and i believe that anything that becomes really necessary will get the support of the admin.

[KingsDen]

There is lack of governance - or rather, poor governance. Good governance is efficient and distributed.

Not all of the time, the forum in itself is centralized and i don't see any real reason why that should change. In my honest opinion, Theymos runs the forum in the best possible way, with little or no interference and changes, in short: 'he does not fix what's not broken'.

There are so many suggestions that have been made during my time here, it is not possible to implement all of them, though a few have been implemented, and i believe that anything that becomes really necessary will get the support of the admin.

When I joined this forum, as a newbie, I was eager for changes in the forum. I kept suggesting functions and ways to improve this place. Not untill The Sceptical Chemist made me understand that the majority of what I was suggesting, has already been suggested years back without implementation.  I was actually pissed, but one day I had a rethink. I know theymos to be a wise and a smart guy and there are many other tekky and smart guys in the forum and they have been comfortable with the environment for even a decade before my arrival. If they should be comfortable with the system, it means there's something they've known that I haven't known.

After that thoughtful exhibition I had, I ceased suggesting and it was then I discovered the beauty of this forum. If I say this forum is near to perffection, nobody should see me as a mad man.

[SatoPrincess]

After that thoughtful exhibition I had, I ceased suggesting and it was then I discovered the beauty of this forum. If I say this forum is near to perffection, nobody should see me as a mad man.

It depends on who you ask. When I was a newbie, understanding the forum interface was a challenge and I wanted a more modern UI. Today if I am asked about the forum UI, I will say it’s fine the way it is. But I don’t think the forum is near perfection, it is us who have adapted to the forum and are comfortable with the way it is. There’s so much that can be done to make the forum look better. Suggestions for the new forum software is welcome here.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I would like to see sample whether this occurrence actually happens on all boards or not. For example, we could take 100 most recently bumped thread (which have at least 20 replies) on each board and get percentage of how many threads where OP never make reply.

Yes, you are very right on what you just said above, because truly if we were to genuinely examine 100 recently bumped threads on the gambling board, I'm sure we are not going to find 5 where O.P was actively engaged in replying to comments, unlike if it were to be on threads posted on other boards with less traffic, because most times, due to the high volume of comments on the gambling board, I have personally noticed that O.Ps of threads there don't usually reply to comments, unless if a specific question is been asked, and as such, I don't think this should have ever been a problem. Because what I think should have been the best solution to what "Logfiles" claimed about certain people been spammers, is simply to have reported whatever comments he thinks were off topic on the gambling board to be deleted, rather than framing a certain group of people as alleged spammers.

[EarnOnVictor]

I can't find a good reason for this post and what you allege is happening in all forums I know, the OP mustn't be active for a good, catchy and active topic to be discussed. Also, no rule forbids the number of times you can post on a topic, once it's engaging, you are good to go. And the longer the page of a topic or activities going on there, the more the possibility you have more counts of posts on it, especially if the discussion interests you.

Many top-rated posters on the forum often have their preferred threads posted on many times regardless of what causes the interest. I've not seen anyone questioning them.

If your proposed style is to be adhered to, many threads must have been closed by now and I wonder how the forum traffic would be, talkless of businesses coming here to advertise. I think it's time to appreciate those who have kept the forum busy once their posts are of quality.

[Ultegra134]

I've been wanting to reply to this thread since it was created, but I've had a terrible fever the past few days.

On the one hand, I would find it more disturbing if the OP had an abundance of replies in his own thread instead of zero. Although not engaging with any of the users in your own thread isn't positive for the community, it might be better than spamming the forum in order to reach your quota. I've created several threads of my own, not in the gambling section, and I always engaged with the other users to contribute to the discussion. However, a topic should be locked if the discussion has reached a point that everyone is simply reiterating what has already been said multiple times. And this is what happens in many sections of the forum, with the gambling one not being an exception—quite the opposite, if you ask me.

I've got to be honest here, but what's more frustrating—the OP of this specific topic not replying ever again (which isn't good either), or that there are users with up to 40 posts in the same thread? What are they discussing in over 30 replies regarding the same topic, which isn't a controversial subject that involves economics or politics? I think we need to reconsider, because the users with such a large number of posts in the same thread are likely to be the ones spamming the most.

[joker_josue]

And... the OP?
Zero.
Of course it appears with 1, but it is the OP's 'OP`'   

I think everyone is focusing on where the topic is, mentioned by the OP, rather than the question raised by the OP.

The creator of the topic does not respond to his own topic even once. And this happens on other sides of the forum, with other topics.

An OP creator may not be the one with the most posts in your topic, but at least a thank you and some response would be nice.

[Smartvirus]

OP reply is never a mandatory when he created a topic as long as the topic is not about personal questions that need follow up details from the OP itself.

As much as it isn’t mandatory that you respond to as much comments as you can find, I take it yo be a matter of necessity that you engage in discussions within your own thread. Especially when you’re quoted and asked questions or a comment from your statement is highlighted in a way that might be contradictory to your originally proposed idea or needs more explanation.

Also, when you find a comment within your thread and you feel, you have something to say or add to it, then you do. It shows you’re actually following up the thread and that’ll be some feedback system to the many users that would be in on that thread.

Mind you, having to respond to any comment just for the purpose of saying something could as well count as spam. You have to stay on topic and when it’s entirely necessary. Even still, you can quote many posts to respond to in one comment.

[Majestic-milf]

  Communication can be said to have been achieved when there is a back and forth response from the starter of the conversation and the intended audience but when it's one sided, it looks somehow. In this case when an op opens a thread and doesn't come back to check on it, it just means he/she is only invested in creating threads and not bothering to follow it up.
It's more bothersome for me when the person asks a question and when adequate answers have been given, the thread starter some times doesn't come back to acknowledge that those answers were helpful.
 Sometimes we make this mistakes even as higher ranking members and not just the newbies alone and sometimes what determines our improvement in this place is not just the merits being given to our posts but how we take these corrections and put them to good use.