Games with a research purpose.

[SmartGold01]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

While on the adventure of games would you embed it to something that constantly reoccur maybe after having to know that such game would repeat itself in future or the next round it could someone at that point use that same systematic way explore the benefits or such game if by constantly throw out same index? If no then there is no way to termed it as research purpose and I never heard same way repeated itself and people explore that methods to constantly win where we know and carefully have at the back of our mind that gambling is designed to have less winning even on a 0.9% winning while the losing chances are about 99.1% so subjecting to research you would see that it's entirely low or that few people can't excel with result you have gain from your research.

Again out of 99% of gambler today who are gambling on a regular basis are just gambling for extra cash and not for fun, putting fun in between is like trying to cover up their wants to increase their cashflow.

[Su-asa]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

Playing normal games to improve your skill is quite understandable but gambling is actually made for made fun purposes and to some flipping their money. Reason why I don't see gambling as something we can use for research purposes or self improvement is because you are taking a risk that might make or break you.Games like chess, puzzle, cards and so on without any form of gambling whatsoever can improve your mental ability, but if gambling gets involved that no longer becomes the case

[nara1892]

Basically, everyone is different, which also makes them have different desires or needs in an activity they are engaged in, as we often hear about the purpose of gambling, where many people usually say that there are two goals that are often brought by gamblers, namely to produce or for entertainment, but I think it is clear by looking at the many cases of depression experienced by the majority of gamblers, it means that more of them try to make gambling a place to produce and that is a big mistake regardless of the type of bet.

On the other hand, having a research goal is quite good, especially when you are involved in a type of sports betting that can indeed be analyzed, experience will give you knowledge, but not too much, and it also does not mean that it will guarantee victory, because in the end, in betting activities, the name of defeat will always be part of the game, meaning that the name of the following approach is also expected to be applied.

[Oluwa-btc]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Definitely we all have different reasons and purposes of why we gamble but playing for research and development purposes is quite rare and it all balls down to the fact that your researching to know how gambling works and what benefits you get from it but it's a good thing tho but this two purpose mentioned above here are the vital aim why people tend to gamble.

And for me I don't see anything wrong in them whereas I choose or prefer to gamble on the number 2, because it's safe And reliable to me but it's not basically more often I do gamble for fun cause I'm intentional about the amount I spend for that, so gambling often its not advisable to me but for all those that gbke with the mindset of earning money from it do it on daily basis cause they are after making it at once so they don't mind gambling more often.

[Hatchy]

We can choose to test out our skills or knowledge on new games and gain even more knowledge from these experiences. Not everyone will have time to play for fun though that'd what they would say. The fact is that gambling is only fun when theres a winning side and that side is you. No one would enjoy being on the losing edge and still play for fun. We can choose to test out these new game on demo as we don't have to spend a dime to play. Thats a research method everyone knows about.

[Davidvictorson]

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

Interesting points on playing for research purpose. I however like how you ended it because it is very logical. The thing with this games is that they have already been programmed in such a way that there is no pattern to them. They are like mists when you feel that you catch them in your hands they disappear. The only thing I think that can work here is if you say that some games have a higher chance is of you winning than in some others which is the RTP.

[Marykeller]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

If a gambler focuses on finding the vulnerability of the games they indulge in, before they start gambling for profits. They should keep in mind that they will lose terribly before they get the right format for that gambling game they chose to master in. Even at that, they should never forget that game format changes from time to time; it doesn't stay the same for long. That's why when a gambler finds the vulnerability of a game, they stick with it at the time because the moment it changes, it beats hard on them to study a new playing patterns of the game again.

However, It's fun and it pretty hard to achieve knowing the vulnerability of a game. The moment that is done, it makes the game look easier and fun to indulge in all the time.

[crwth]

So this is where you are trying to know a lot of sports or games that you are playing and then making sure that you improve your chances to win? I think this is applicable only with sports betting and not the typical slot machine games or any luck based games.

I want to know if you are getting positive things with this approach OP.

[TheUltraElite]

There are people doing pseudo-research trying to find patterns, which dont exist in reality because the games luck based even if they have some knowledge or skill in them - that is only to fool them into thinking that they are in control and can out-wit the casino.

The purpose is making money, nothing attracts more than "free money" and hence people gamble. Having fun is always a side-dish.

Now there is also the argument of bug-catching, but these are rare to see being disclosed on this forum.

[Baofeng]

I don't know if we can really have soft skills or improved on anything if we play gambling, on the other hand, what we get from gambling might be negative at all, just saying. And yeah, it's only the purpose that I know of, to earn money or win and try our luck, and for others, try to have fun and be entertained that's it.

Also, as far as I have been a gambler, I haven't known anyone developed any positive things from gambling, just saying. And if we found a game and played and we are bored, then we try the next one. And that is the very reason why it's very hard to cure addicted gamblers because of the negative impact it can bring to our mind.

[irsykes]

I sure some people might do something like this where they spend some time and money first to try game and really understand how it works and see how every opportunity is there.
This might help someone to play better by optimizing the opportunities and really gaining confidence in success, but on the other hand I don't believe that all of this can guarantee victory.
Games in gambling will almost always rely on luck to get win, but if all that is done to minimize losses maybe I can still believe it.
This would be the same as when gambler gets number of bonus spins in game that has never been tried, they will try to play with the bonus and really use their money if game can provide pleasure and confidence for victory.

I have done something like that, researching every game, looking for the shortcomings of every gambling game. but every time I find a trick, it doesn't last long, making me think that they will still win the bookies. from a certain time of day, there are advantages that I understand. the server part stores our strategy data, it will be saved and will be opposite and of course the strategy trick will not last long

[swogerino]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

I don't want to slow down your enthusiasm but for finding vulnerabilities and bugs in well known slot providers as I think in slot machines who are programmed by human beings like me and you the chance is higher yet no one has found bugs in a slot machine from such providers. I know that many people have found in some not well known providers and that was not a slot machine bug but also some vulnerability in not a so well known casino and I find it difficult for us normal people to spot such things. When it come to forecasting I have tried something that the majority of the times have worked, I keep playing Pragmatic slots and mainly Rabbit Garden one, what I have seen here is that once you hit like 9-10 consecutive lost games (not normal games but buy bonus ones) chances are high it will give a winning amount in the next buy bonus, it cost 100x to buy and when it hits the winning one it gives you more than 100x, I have raised the bet after losing consecutively and when the win has come it was a relatively good one.

[Solosanz]

As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others.

That's your wish, the reality bookmaker will tightening the rules and it make the gamblers have less chance to win or the reward get smaller.

So instead of getting some reward or increase your winning chance, you're actually make your life harder lol.

This is why many hackers choose black hat over white hat, becoming a black hat you know how much you will earn and thinking how to escape from it. While white hat, there's no guarantee the sites will give you a worthy reward.

[Cointxz]

Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

Done this a lot back to the time when Dice game is so popular. Been playing so many sleepless nights on Primedice just to come up with working bot setup to gain consistent profit but the result always ended with bust bankroll in the end especially in long term game.

There’s no way to beat gambling or if ever there is casino will surely restrict it immediately by adding terms to their ToS to counter that strategy.

I think we are already in the era that most of the gambler already believe that gambling games are based on pure luck which means no strategy can work for long term.

[aioc]

Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

If you're betting on sports you're going to do that often, you always do research to improve your chances but I doubt if you can do that on luck-based games, we tried to explore patterns and methods but we always end up with zero because its a luck based games, the pattern always changes, it's dynamic so it's no use on luck base games but it has a purpose on sports betting.

It's useless to do research on dice because you will end up with the theory that the house always wins, and you will just be disappointed.

[famososMuertos]

Yes, totally, that happens not only in the gaming industry, but in any other industry that requires experts to comment, whether they are developers, etc., so it applies to many areas.

For example, in poker there are very good narrators in English, but given the growth of poker there are now narrators for the Spanish language, and these "players" must have the game experience to be able to comment on it and I have known cases of players who have stayed in the broadcasting part, one of them is Kara Scott, she was a professional player for years but is currently a prominent commentator of the largest poker events in the world... and of course she continues to play.

In that area, there are mathematicians who have dedicated themselves to the game to develop algorithms and many of them have remained as players.

So not only do people play with the purpose of earning money directly from the game, research, Host, developers, etc. including Youtubers, many are not consistent in winning but create event channels, etc.

PokerStrategy: Apart from computer science, you also studied mathematics - which
mathematician influenced you the most when approaching your game of poker?

Barry Greenstein: None really, but the most prolific mathematician of the 20th century, Paul Erdos, would usually visit the University of Illinois where I went to college and graduate school, once or twice a year for a few weeks at a time. He knew I played poker and whenever he saw me he would ask how I was doing. When I told him I was making a lot of money, he would say something like, "Good. Mathematicians are the smartest people, so they should have all the money."

^{Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Greenstein
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Barry-Greenstein-Commitment-and-Math-Logic-Ability_09872/?sortComments=oldest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Scott}

[m2017]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).

Gamblers claim one thing, but in fact, all goals come down to making a profit in the casino. Want to have some fun? - Turn on the casino emulator and play without real bets.

However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

But your research and development ultimately comes down to making a profit (described below).

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting?

Where can you apply these advanced forecasting skills? - Only in the casino for winnings.

I think that games develop.

Initially it should be so, that games develop people, but in case of gambling, it seems to me, it is the other way around. Look at the gamblers around you in the casino. Can you consider them highly developed?

I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

That sounds more interesting. What is your personal win rate for predicting such events?

Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

As I said above, in a casino everything comes down to making a profit one way or another, and talk about getting pleasure and development and research is just lyrics.

[Rockstarguy]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

I know gambling can broading the knowledge of gamblers in a particular expecially for those who really want to get this information to know what they are doing. Gambling also help gamblers to be consistent in watching their favourite games so that they will be able to make predictions just to make sure they win their predictions.  But the truth is that the reason for all these research, being consistent in following a particular game up is for one to be able to make a win when they make predictions of a game. The main reason we gamble is to win even though we try to make gamble to be as fun.

[rahmad2nd]

We will always learn from experience, whatever the type of gambling. whether it is a pure game based on luck, or sports betting. basically we have to be critical so that we are willing to do research, that is the key for us to study a game or gambling. I mean, our provision to gain a lot of knowledge and understanding. some games that are purely luck, will be very difficult to guess or predict. because, our knowledge is very limited by the system implemented by the casino or developer. for sports betting, even though we have extensive knowledge for certain types. still the thing that needs to be involved when betting is to research it first, its function is clear so that we can have an idea to bet and minimize mistakes and losses. for me, the concept is still having fun so that I don't focus on making a lot of money from gambling. usually, if someone who targets victory always ends up with a loss. not the pleasure that is obtained, but the problems and emotions that are likely to take control.

[Juse14]

I think this method is too overboard and will actually consume time. No matter how deep you carry out your research, betting is ultimately fixated on uncertainties and potential losses. Weaving a pattern or finding a vulnerability might sound interesting, but on the other hand, in the end, gambling is a game of opportunity with no assured profit. Rather than waste time weaving patterns or carrying out unnecessary research, it's much better to come into gambling entertained. This way, you get to savor the game free of charge plus free of burden and are not deprived if there is no profit to be sure.


What is more than that, getting involved in research or analysis for gambling may land you into an indecisive cycle hard to break, especially if one starts feeling in control of the outcomes. While there might be some strategies to enhance opportunities, there is no way to eliminate risk as a part of it by its very nature.