Games with a research purpose.

[Findingnemo]

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

If you said that you're betting on sports on any other event to find the system and how it works then you want to built something similar then it's for research purpose but what you're doing is not reasearch just trying to find the right strategy to win so the ultimate reason here is money not the research as you believe so accept it or not you just have to fit yourself in the two remaining categories.

[summonerrk]

You may find people who say they gamble to make money acceptable, but those who say they gamble just for fun are baseless. Gambling puts our money at maximum risk and none of us can say that we will win money by gambling, so no one would want to have fun risking so much money. They may say one thing but their state of mind is another. Maybe when they win by gambling, they are very happy mentally, but when the gambler loses money by gambling, he suffers from mental depression.

We gamblers should take gambling seriously but never think that we will own a lot of money by gambling or take gambling as our full time profession but should take gambling seriously now so that we don't lose money by gambling.

That's right, that's why there are gambling tournaments where the casino offers players to play for free with bonus points. At the same time, the leaders in points at the end of the day will receive small prizes. I tried to play like that a couple of times, and I want to say that I felt strong changes. I wanted to play these slots all the time, and this is definitely not good.
I wanted to put in money, because I saw big multipliers many times, but they meant nothing, and other guys had bigger multipliers and they got real money as leaders. And I got nothing. But if I had bet real money...

[Zlantann]

No, I don't see any contradiction. At first I play for research purposes, for example, trying to find some patterns that will help me win in the future. And after my research is finished and I have found a pattern that I can exploit - after that I start playing for money. But if our goal is to find deep and non-obvious patterns, then it is obvious that we will be doing our research for a long time. We will do repeated experiments to confirm or disprove various secondary hypotheses. And even after playing for money, we may again have a productive hypothesis. And in order to test it, we must again play not for the sake of winning, but for the sake of research.

I get your point @Julien_Olynpic. A gambler might just use a small amount and research on some games to identify some patterns. An example of this is some gamblers have observed that they experienced more wins at a particular time of the day. This might be a valid assumption because they have observed or conducted research to ascertain this fact. Most people might have misunderstood the thread because they think that the research process must go through a rigorous process like it is done in research institutions. The target of this kind of research is to observe recurring patterns which can be exploited for wins. The result might not be totally correct but it could give better results than when you just play without such experiments.       

[Porfirii]

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

If you said that you're betting on sports on any other event to find the system and how it works then you want to built something similar then it's for research purpose but what you're doing is not reasearch just trying to find the right strategy to win so the ultimate reason here is money not the research as you believe so accept it or not you just have to fit yourself in the two remaining categories.

When I started reading I was also thinking on research in order to build something similar... but no, the OP means research in order to discover some hidden patterns that would lead to subsequent victories in sports betting.

That's not reasonable. In sports bettings there are almost infinite variables that can't be foreseen (weather, wind, insidious health conditions, thoughts and emotions of players, and a large etcetera) which make results unpredictable, and research on past results won't help at all with any of them.

At least, the OP's idea is better than pure magical thinking. But it doesn't make it more valid.

[I_Anime]

it is true that with gambling you improve soft skills... but the ultimate goal is not so much "improving soft skills" but obtaining a profit that is in money or even a profit in terms of "fun".
but I would like to point out that this sentence is in itself a little contradiction:

and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win.

If you're trying to win, you want to get something, and in gambling the "prize" is usually something in the form of money.

Exactly, most people are in for the profit despite being into gambling to gain other things you may found interesting, it all still than boils to one trying to make some Extra bucks through it. Because if one is actually gambling for fun I don't see any need or reason of that individual making use of his hard earn money recklessly. You will see some scenario whereby one will be like , at first the game was going fine until I started losing and I endup lossing it ( due to losses couldn't think straight anymore) which ead to going all out and lose all my cash ( to be honest I don't see anything fun in losing your cash carelessly or recklessly).

Those who truly gamble for fun always keep to budget without going over board with Their hard earned cashes . So gamble with what you can afford to lose not the other way round.

[Lanatsa]

I often see posts where people claim that they play for two purposes:
1. Either to earn money (less often).
2. Or to have fun (more often).
However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

1. More often or would be the most common reason on why gamblers are playing on which its a common approach.
2. For fun? Its just an alibi and most of us would really be that minding about making money or winning.

Patterns? There's no such thing, because on the time that you would really be doing gambling then it would really just that make you desperate specially on the time or moment that you would really be trying out to
make it work or you would be forcing yourself to be a winner. Somehow it wont really be that not totally means all of people who do test out some strategy are really that those people who are desperate.
We do know that applying strategies could really be able to make out some prolonging up the games on which its a good thing too. If it would really just that fine then it would really be just that okay
for you to have that kind of approach. I dont really believe much in speaking about those so called research purpose yet this would really be a normal approach when you do deal up with
sports betting. You wont be able to have that good analysis if you wont really be doing such step. So it would really be just that be basing up into your own preference
and views towards gambling or betting.

[Obari]

I get your point but frankly, a lot of persons except with purpose would want to claim they’re playing any of these games just for research purposes and this is because the society will live has made money be the primary goal of its citizens and maybe I might not be speaking the world at large but for a country like mine, I don’t think you’ll get anyone actually playing for fun without having the conscience of wanting to make some win.

I don’t know how best to say this but the truth is that, there is always a joy that comes with winning a bet and that joy at the long run shows that, there is always an expectation to win which means that, regardless of what purpose one claims to attach while gambling, there is always a desire to wanting to win a bet (maybe just my opinion)

[bitLeap]

We play these games, try to find common patterns there, look for vulnerabilities in games, helping games to become better. As a result of our practice, bookmaker rules are improved. Now we can play not only against the bookmaker, but also against other players, which means that there is equality in chances and no starting advantages for some players over others. Playing for research purposes, as in the case of playing for fun, we do not spend time in the worst possible way, and our goal is not money, but patterns that we could exploit to win. When such patterns are found and a game system is formed, we stop playing for research purposes and start playing for profit.

Damn what are you doing to research the game in the casino is the same as what I have been doing for the past 2 weeks. Almost forgetting the purpose of having fun or seeking profit because I feel the need to look at gambling from another side, research, pay attention to every pattern and even I need to write it down. However, the research process I did was not well organized, to support it I was assisted by several demo games (although it is generally considered that demo games will not match the original game).

Until now I am not too sure to publish the results because they can only be understood by myself and try to experiment first from the patterns and vulnerabilities of the games that have been collected as evaluation material.

[coin-investor]

I love employing research on horse racing this increases the excitement, and eagerness for every bet, sports betting is very challenging because there is a chance to make a profit if you become familiar with every horse, jockeys, handicaps, and condition of the race.

Yes, there is such a thing as games with research purposes but for you to implement it. you must have an interest in the game because research involves hours and takes a lot of effort and sometimes you have to spend money.

[libert19]

However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

No offense intended, but I find this hilarious!

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events.

Talking about improving forecasting skills in casino games that are completely based on chance is funny. In sports betting, I'd agree because there knowledge plays a role in forecasting the outcome.

[Findingnemo]

Indeed, don't you think that games can develop you and help improve your skills, for example, in forecasting? I think that games develop.
I am currently writing mainly not about casino games based on chance, but about betting on sports and non-sports events. I would also include Play-to-earn games here.

If you said that you're betting on sports on any other event to find the system and how it works then you want to built something similar then it's for research purpose

When I started reading I was also thinking on research in order to build something similar... but no, the OP means research in order to discover some hidden patterns that would lead to subsequent victories in sports betting.

That's not reasonable. In sports bettings there are almost infinite variables that can't be foreseen (weather, wind, insidious health conditions, thoughts and emotions of players, and a large etcetera) which make results unpredictable, and research on past results won't help at all with any of them.

At least, the OP's idea is better than pure magical thinking. But it doesn't make it more valid.

This is an example for how people think, it's clear that he is confused but he still trying to justify his actions by making different definition for what he is doing which is not going to make anything right though.

Anything that's involved in gambling has unpredictable outcomes and that's the secret behind the success of gambling for this long and I am sure he is not the only one tried to outsmart the system which is almost impossible especially after this much evolution in the system.

[YOSHIE]

However, I believe that there can be more purposes in gambling. Personally, I play for research and development purposes.

In my understanding and research, whatever those who gamble say is all true, everyone who gambles has their own character and goals, It's more of an individual's nature, have you ever seen that when someone buys something, they actually don't need the item themselves, they just buy it because they like the seller.

Likewise with those who gamble, some of them gamble just to make money and others because they have fun or are looking for entertainment, in this case, based on my research, the biggest factor is the money used in gambling, this money is diverse and varied, I mean the money brought to bet.

Many of them get it illegally, they gamble just for fun, they don't care about winning and losing and some of them are legal just to win, that's their big hope, So all the issues that occur regarding negative and positive gambling in people's discussions make sense to me.

[Ultegra134]

No offense intended, but I find this hilarious!

Talking about improving forecasting skills in casino games that are completely based on chance is funny. In sports betting, I'd agree because there knowledge plays a role in forecasting the outcome.

So do I, how exactly are you developing your "forecasting" skills by playing games that are solely based on luck? I would understand if we were talking about sports betting or card games such as poker perhaps, but certainly not for regular casino games. I'm not going to lie; claiming that you're gambling for research purposes is hilarious; the next thing I'm going to hear is going to be for self-development. I believe that some of us are trying to justify the reason for gambling, and in reality, they're two main ones: entertainment and money-making.

[Zigabel]

Since its the first time, this really does sound strange as i  have to wonder how someone will be gambling for research purpose meanwhile others gamble either to make money or to have fun and now here is a new dimension to gambling which i have never really gotten to hear of in a long while all the times i have been engaged in gambling and so i really does sound strange and alien to me but going through you post and seeing the explanation to it got me understanding better what it is and how it means to gamble for research purpose.

i have learnt a new way to gamble and i must say it sounds really interesting, i hope to give it a trial  a while and see how well it will go and if it makes sense then it will be a pattern i will follow because this will really help increase the accuracy of the predictions i will be make.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

No, I don't see any contradiction. At first I play for research purposes, for example, trying to find some patterns that will help me win in the future. And after my research is finished and I have found a pattern that I can exploit - after that I start playing for money.

You are just contradicting yourself in what you just said above, because are you trying to tell us that while doing your research as you claim above to find a suitable pattern for gambling, are you not going to be gambling with money? And if you are not going to be gambling with money, then what makes it to be classified as gambling? Because, no matter how you may claim to twist your statement, I still not see any difference in it, to what people have already been doing ages, by making a Head-to-Head sport analysis before placing a sport bet.

We will do repeated experiments to confirm or disprove various secondary hypotheses.

So while experimenting your hypothesis, are you going to be using money to stake on live games? Yes or No, because if it's "NO" then that can not be gambling, and as such it's unethical to say that gambling is used for "research purpose" and sounds unprofessional.

[bangjoe]

Since its the first time, this really does sound strange as i  have to wonder how someone will be gambling for research purpose meanwhile others gamble either to make money or to have fun and now here is a new dimension to gambling which i have never really gotten to hear of in a long while all the times i have been engaged in gambling and so i really does sound strange and alien to me but going through you post and seeing the explanation to it got me understanding better what it is and how it means to gamble for research purpose.

i have learnt a new way to gamble and i must say it sounds really interesting, i hope to give it a trial  a while and see how well it will go and if it makes sense then it will be a pattern i will follow because this will really help increase the accuracy of the predictions i will be make.

Doing research on gambling is quite interesting, but of course this is not a very recommended thing, someone must have a strong memory because the games he will research should not be too many and only focus on one game to find patterns.

Any game, I myself am quite exhausted if I look for the right pattern in looking for the right pattern and never find it as far as I gamble today, and what I find is only random fractions in slot games, especially gate olympus which I often play, there is no pattern and whatever it is to increase game winnings.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I have read a post on this forum and on that post, the OP was actually talking about the health benefits of gambling which he outlined some and there are also some people that gamble for such purpose. There are also a few people that might have this same gambling purpose as you but the most popular purpose why some people gamble is because they want to make money or to have fun. Majority of gamblers are doing it for the money. When I first started gambling, the reason that pushed me to it was profit making but now that I understand the cons and pros of gambling, I am gambling for fun and only risking the amount of money I can afford to lose.

[Litzki1990]

You may find people who say they gamble to make money acceptable, but those who say they gamble just for fun are baseless. Gambling puts our money at maximum risk and none of us can say that we will win money by gambling, so no one would want to have fun risking so much money. They may say one thing but their state of mind is another. Maybe when they win by gambling, they are very happy mentally, but when the gambler loses money by gambling, he suffers from mental depression.

We gamblers should take gambling seriously but never think that we will own a lot of money by gambling or take gambling as our full time profession but should take gambling seriously now so that we don't lose money by gambling.

That's why gamblers should only use the money they are willing to spend, in order for situations like that to not occur. Staying true to yourself is essential, not blindly going by temptation.

The point would be that a gambler should gamble with the amount of money he loses that will not adversely affect his life. Money is very important in our daily life, without money we can't do any work so the money needed for self and family needs if a gambler uses it for gambling and if he loses then it will have a bad effect on that family. A gambler's income is low and it becomes challenging to manage his family with the amount of money he earns if he gambles with that amount but he is not responsible to his family at all. First we have to be responsible then we have to set aside money for gambling and with that separate money we have to gamble regularly. If gamblers gamble with such a plan, they will definitely not be in a bad financial situation.

[betswift]

You may find people who say they gamble to make money acceptable, but those who say they gamble just for fun are baseless. Gambling puts our money at maximum risk and none of us can say that we will win money by gambling, so no one would want to have fun risking so much money. They may say one thing but their state of mind is another. Maybe when they win by gambling, they are very happy mentally, but when the gambler loses money by gambling, he suffers from mental depression.

We gamblers should take gambling seriously but never think that we will own a lot of money by gambling or take gambling as our full time profession but should take gambling seriously now so that we don't lose money by gambling.

That's why gamblers should only use the money they are willing to spend, in order for situations like that to not occur. Staying true to yourself is essential, not blindly going by temptation.

The point would be that a gambler should gamble with the amount of money he loses that will not adversely affect his life. Money is very important in our daily life, without money we can't do any work so the money needed for self and family needs if a gambler uses it for gambling and if he loses then it will have a bad effect on that family. A gambler's income is low and it becomes challenging to manage his family with the amount of money he earns if he gambles with that amount but he is not responsible to his family at all. First we have to be responsible then we have to set aside money for gambling and with that separate money we have to gamble regularly. If gamblers gamble with such a plan, they will definitely not be in a bad financial situation.

I agree! Your own well-being should be one of your top-priorities, your hobbies and other stuff - second. It's like a bonus to an already good life (ideally, of course).

[satscraper]

Edited out

Research is somewhat a scientific word, and it conot something that it result and pattern of analysis can easily be repeated.

But in the gambling the pattern of playing is not repeateble and can't be use for future reference, because it doesn't follow a systematic approach, this make gambling game in whatever category to be way out of the content of research based.

Following a pattern and vonurability in play to earn the only help the developers to improve they gaming systems, but doesn't have a guaranteed lay down approach that can be repeated by the players with aim to win the game consistently.

Well, and what about Edward O. Thorp, the famous mathematician, who made research relevant to blackjack, found some patterns and proposed the basic strategy to beat the game. The  strategy he developed turned to be so successful that mafia-backed casinos did some attempts to kill him. His case evidences that research is still applicable to the gambling domain.